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Why not just state the asking price, so people don't have to guess?

It went to a good home!  ;D

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I saw you on the '62 Galaxie FB page, wondered what the heck you were up to. Makes sense.

I like the tri-power idea. I looked around for a long time for a 3x2 tunnel wedge intake for my '62 because I thought running tri-power on a '62 is cooler than a 2x4.

haha yes. I can wait to show the drawings of the car... i'm doing something no one has done to a 2 door that i know of. Some may hate it but its gonna be unique and the way i'm doing it cool.. The tri power fits the era of the car and they never made a cammer with a tri power so that's my reasoning for it.

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Very cool project. I hope to see it run eventually.

I want to know more about the car! '62 Galaxie, Pro touring, 600+ inch SOHC, twin turbo's?

Car will be Na and i'm aiming for about 950hp on e85...  I'm doing a billet tri power intake with 3 71mm twin drive by wire throttle bodies. I've bought 3 g codes, 1 z code and two z code wagons in the last 2 months to pick and chose all the nice stuff i need. Now i'm gonna start selling the rest of it i don't need.  I have a loaded up roadster shop chassis here already. Hopefully will have drawings done in the next month and can post up the build. Doing some cool stuff with carbon fiber to show case my business.

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Why would deleting the sub-routine(s) to machine the cam tunnel incur "10's of thousands" of additional CAD costs?

How bout this to simplify things for you and anyone else that is curious. Anything done out side of what i'm doing and paying for will cost the end user for the changes to cad work and cnc programming> whether it be $100 or $10000+ dollars. Anything you want done is possible but you will pay for those changes out side of what i'm doing. SO Anything you can dream of can be done but again you will pay for it. I hope this helps. 


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The gear drive could be reconfigured to not need the stub shaft.
He wants to mount a DCT trans; I'd be interested in mounting an electric booster motor on the back.  How are electric motors factored in as power boosters?  Anyway, he leads with "billet" and "We can do anything from raised cam...", but then backs it way down to: we can do optional trans mounts...

How is the OHC valvetrain affected by the wider bore spacing he suggests is also possible?

I'm not backing down from anything. I'm building this using as much cammer stuff as possible why would I want to change the whole chain operation or have to redesign something not needed?  We can do raised cam option. IF you're not buying a block then i don't need to worry about deleting the cam journals.

The ohc valve train is not effected if a person wanted to widen the bore spacing. The cam cores would just need to be a little wider also or machined different for the 4.700 bore spacing. Also the rockers could just be machined with a little offset for the change in bore spacing with stock cam shafts.. Jay brown has already made a large bore space cammer block with standard bore space heads with custom pistons that have the valve reliefs in the right spots for the bore space being changed. So 4 outer pistons are the same and 4 inners are different on his cammer. I could eliminate that buy making the bore space the same on the block and the heads and its simple to do with programming and cad changes..

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For someone marketing to the 2500HP/Cost-is-no-object microniche you seem to be pinching pennies. Is this one of those deals where you guarantee Bailey's 10 blocks ordered in order to get your 1 block with the DCT trans mount?  What if I wanted to run coil packs, a multi-stage drysump system, and adapt the cam drive from a modern Hurricane SOHC? Wouldn't need a stub shaft at all. Or maybe go totally oldschool, just a frontend plate to mount the geardrive for the cams.

And how flexible is the machining options, sounds like "not very".  What if I wanted the heads' exhaust ports to feed into the valley area to make packaging turbos easier?

Of course, how exactly is this an FE anymore?

What if you designed your own instead of complaining about everything you don't like about his project? And by the way, the "old school" gear drive still used a stub shaft to drive the upper gears.

Dan, I think it sounds like a really interesting project, and I hope you keep us posted on your progress.

There's always gonna be that one person who wants to hate on someone else's ideas. This is a great project and if you think hard about it it's not out of price range for someone building a cammer and have perfect parts. The only way it could be any cheaper would be for me to find at least 10 guys wanting to do it, which until I get a finished product out there that will be hard. So for now its just my funding and it will get done!
So thank you for the kind words and i will def keep everyone up to date on it!

here's a pic of a billet cammer efi intake.

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For someone marketing to the 2500HP/Cost-is-no-object microniche you seem to be pinching pennies. Is this one of those deals where you guarantee Bailey's 10 blocks ordered in order to get your 1 block with the DCT trans mount?  What if I wanted to run coil packs, a multi-stage drysump system, and adapt the cam drive from a modern Hurricane SOHC? Wouldn't need a stub shaft at all. Or maybe go totally oldschool, just a frontend plate to mount the geardrive for the cams.

And how flexible is the machining options, sounds like "not very".  What if I wanted the heads' exhaust ports to feed into the valley area to make packaging turbos easier?

Of course, how exactly is this an FE anymore?

This deal has nothing to do with baileys engines, it's 100% my responsibility and money to get it going. Just so happens the same company machines his blocks for steve morris.

I'm building cammer valve covers for coil packs also. Daily dry sump billet oil pan and pump too on my build. SO Listen.. IF you have the pockets for any and all the custom shit you want on one of these engines listed above it can be done. BUT you will pay for it not me. So this deal is very flexible. Once you break out your tens of thousands of dollars to pay for all the cad work and cnc programming. I'm assuming your more of a pot stirrer than a doer. I'm a doer and that why this is getting done..

99% of these blocks will be FE, i'm paying extra to have my block done as i please as far as the bell housing goes which is modular ford 1994-2020, NOT just a dct trans which shares the same bell pattern for the last 16 years in the ford modular family.

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I still don't understand how removing a large amount of block material, in the very center of the block, makes it stronger.

In this day and age of CNC machining, just how hard would it be to simply skip the cam tunnel entirely, leaving billet material filling the space? 

You say you're doing this in order to mount a modern DCT without adapters? That's just a CNC program change, because you want to leave the option available for other customers to opt for a standard trans mount. So why not have a 'cam-tunnel-delete option?

Seriously, how does a cam tunnel strengthen a block?

It will be able to have any ford bell housing pattern a person wants. and no matter what you can not delete the cam tunnel on a cammer unless you come up with a badass bearing support and shaft that bolts onto the front of the block for the top timing gear. The stub shaft still runs two cam journals. So it would be silly to remove the rest of them for no reason cause besides a little weight there would be no benefit. Also I have to pay for every option that is done to the block. you have to realize every time something is deleted or added that is an additional cost for cad and then programming. It can be done but anything custom like that will be at the person who wants those changes expense.

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Not sure I understand what the benefit of a raised cam tunnel might be in an OHC engine.  Is it just more clearance for large stroke cranks?  Would eliminating the cam tunnel entirely result in a stronger block?


I'm guessing they'll retain the cam bore just so it can be used in non-cammer engines also. No sense in limiting your customer base. Any time you remove mass, you're going to remove strength, so I would think removing the cam bore entirely would make the block weaker. By how much would probably depend on the design of the rest of the block. Since it's billet, it could easily be designed around to retain the strength, and probably make it even stronger by adding material to the center area where the bores would typically be, which supports the crank bulkheads.

yes def not deleting cam bore, but we have to option to raise it for large stroker cranks. I want to be able to sell the blocks to any fe guys also. Even Jon Mihovetz from accufab on the new billet coyote block put a large cam bore through it for strength. 

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Not sure I understand what the benefit of a raised cam tunnel might be in an OHC engine.  Is it just more clearance for large stroke cranks?  Would eliminating the cam tunnel entirely result in a stronger block?

and then there's this:
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Block will be 13500
heads will be 12500
intake will be 10000
timing cover 2500
valve covers 2000
carbon valve covers 2000
So roughly about 40k for the hard parts.

mainly large 4 3/4 stroker crank clearance and 600+'' like what jay is doing.

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I'm gonna go way out on a limb here and say that customers will probably be limited.

I'm also not aware of any "world records" in Drag Week, unless he's referring to Bailey's 5.99 run, which I think may be the fastest run for a "street legal" car? He also has a billet block.

Same company that does the blocks for baileys motor is doing this deal. It going to be limited customers yes and really doesn't bother me if anyone else does one or not but I do have interest and people in the cammer world are willing to help sell this stuff. I'm building a rather expensive and unique 62 galaxie pro touring car for my composite business and I have been in love with cammers since I was a kid. My main reason for the billet stuff started out with the billet wet block cause i want to run a 2020 Gt500 7 speed dct transmission behind my cammer and I didn't want to have stupid adapters from the fe block to the modular trans. So with the billet block I can put what ever bell housing pattern I want on it. A one off billet block these days is only 20k. That's for them to just build me one from scratch. That's pretty cheap IMO when a shelby cast block is what 8k? So I wont make any of my money back on this stuff for a while as you can see I priced the blocks much cheaper than 20k.

Also this allows me to build a 700 inch billet cammer v10 for the boat world. Can you imagine twin v10 cammers singing in a boat at a fraction of the cost of some of the other motors out there..

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Private Classifieds / 1962 G Code xl Galaxie rolling chassis
« on: January 21, 2014, 12:01:43 PM »
 1962 Galaxie G code 406 tri power 4 speed,bucket seat center counsel xl rolling chassis. This car only has a bill of sale from California. NO TITLE car is located in Gila bend az. Numbers on the frame match the vin also.

This is a 100% original paint car except the drivers fender which was painted at once and also has some minor damage and is not on the car but comes with it. The fenders on the car now are off a 4 door parts car I had. Passenger fender needs some work drivers fender has a bullet hole in it. The car has ZERO and I mean ZERO RUST. It is a super clean car with a very nice body. I does have some dents on each of the doors and quarter panels but nothing major. Roof is mint.

Some of the trim is there for the car, the shifter, and linkage is there also. All the interior is there minus the passenger side door panel and the xl emblem on dash. Interior is in as good of condition as expected for sittin in the California sun for 30 years. The interior is a slate color. 

 I also have a line on the drive train for the car not the original out of the car but a correct 406 tri power motor and a trans.
6500.00 b.o
Dan Schoneck

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