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FE Technical Forum / Re: Idiot with Ford 360 - fuel overloading issues
« on: January 12, 2014, 06:51:25 PM »
i get "open" and "closed" for choke mixed up.  The choke is manual, no electric or thermostat or nothing. 


If you set the choke as though you were driving down the road with the engine warm, it won't take fuel.

If you set the choke halfway, as though you were trying to warm up the engine, so that its getting more fuel, it revs and runs fine in the yard. 

My dad thought it acted like old points and condensors would act if you set the point gap too tight.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Idiot with Ford 360 - fuel overloading issues
« on: January 12, 2014, 05:19:04 PM »
My dad came out and we screwed with it 3 times... taking the carb off twice.  My dad says it acts like the timing isn't advancing, but a timing light shows otherwise.  So he said ti actsl ike when the old points and condensor set ups didn't have the points opened up enough.  This distributor has the little "teeth" I guess and the piece they run past... and they all but touch.   I remember when the distributor was new it felt like it "clicked" past the electronic module in it.  Should I replace the distributor then?

Another trick he figured out was if you opened the choke about halfway, it accelerates fine. 

I've also seen some people running the firing order 1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8.  Anyone have any experience with doing that?

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Idiot with Ford 360 - fuel overloading issues
« on: January 12, 2014, 03:21:15 PM »
I pulled the plugs and they had a red tint to them which from what I read, indicates an additive in a fuel I've been using.  87 octane, no ethanol when I can find it. 

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Idiot with Ford 360 - fuel overloading issues
« on: January 07, 2014, 01:35:39 PM »
It's pretty consistent.  Depending on the weather, it can be easy to overload on initial start in the driveway and can be flooded it out.  Before, it would always try to flood when you went more than about half throttle... I'd say at about the point where the secondaries are opening up.

I have a carburetor on my '68 Torino and I could pop the one of my dad's 302 and see what happens. 

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Idiot with Ford 360 - fuel overloading issues
« on: January 07, 2014, 08:57:11 AM »
I'm pretty sure I counted the cylinders right.  I've built three Ford 302's for people, built 2 FE blocks... I don't count like a Chevrolet man ;)

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Idiot with Ford 360 - fuel overloading issues
« on: January 06, 2014, 06:21:26 PM »
It already had a new Duraspark box, new distributor with new electornic module in that, new coil, new solenoid.... I restored the truck! Also had new brakes, new suspension, re did the interior..... it wasn't just a "I popped a new intake on the engine and took off" deal.... I rebuilt it with new rings, bearings, new heads, intake, checked the throw on the cam, honed out the engine, new gaskets, etc.....

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Idiot with Ford 360 - fuel overloading issues
« on: January 06, 2014, 02:12:38 PM »
It was a brand new Edelbrock, right out of the box and onto my intake!  Has anyone ever known them to have problems out of the box?

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Idiot with Ford 360 - fuel overloading issues
« on: January 06, 2014, 09:54:12 AM »
The timing is set at about 6*, but I have advanced it as high as about 14 and it made it worse.  I thought the Ford timing on engines back in that day was 6* TDC without the vacuum... the vacuum advances it about 24* I believe.

The first pump I put on was trying to make it look stock with the filter... if you order a pump with the "in cab" fuel tank, it has the fuel filter on the bottom, but it also dies quickly. Two fo those later I learned my lesson.  I then went with the pump without filter and that one hasn't failed yet, anyway.  I've heard of people having trouble with modern fuel pumps.  I thought that maybe the pump being so far from the tank was hurting it. 

USually, when a fuel pump is going bad for me, the fuel bowl wouldn't be full... it would always have half a bowl or something.  The little glass bowl with the filter in it has been as full as it can be the whole time.

I've adjusted the carburetor... I can get it to pull anywhere from 20-24 lbs vacuum.  When it messsed up last time on the road, I adjusted it the Edelbrock way mentioned in their videos... turn the adjustment knobs in until the engine changes pitch, then loosen 1/2 turn.  Didn't make a difference.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Idiot with Ford 360 - fuel overloading issues
« on: January 06, 2014, 08:00:42 AM »
I know there were a couple of different firing orders for FE's so I could check that.  What should mine be again, exactly?  I went by whatever is on my intake.

The choke was hte first thing I checked.  It is closing and opneing properly without any "flop."

The carburetor does have a 1" spacer.

The air cleaner has a spacer to be above the carburetor as well (Edelbrock air filter won't sit on an Edelbrock carb without a spacer - go figure.)

I haven't got a gauge or anything to check the fuel pressure. However, i've had three different fuel pumps on the truck.  The fuel bowl in the filter near the carburetor is staying full.

I haven't checked the spark yet but all components of the ignition system were new.... doesn't necessarily mean a lot!

I used stock pistons.... some were marked 390 4v, some aren't marked at all and I presume they're 360 pistons.  I can see no visible differences in the pistons anyway, I researched and found out several late model 360 engines came with 390 4v pistons.  Apparently, they were trying to knock the inventory down at the end of the run.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Idiot with Ford 360 - fuel overloading issues
« on: January 05, 2014, 09:28:49 PM »
Never went into the carb but it was brand new and I never did anything to any other Edelbrock I ever bought... tuned the piss out of it, the vacuum was perfect on it though.

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FE Technical Forum / Idiot with Ford 360 - fuel overloading issues
« on: January 05, 2014, 09:18:54 PM »
Okay guys...

First off, please don't give me crap like everyone else does about building a Ford 360 without putting a Ford 390 crank and rod set in it.... that's all anyone around here likes to talk about...... I've heard it. :)

Second, I built a 1975 Ford F-100 supercab longbed and built the original 360.  The heads needed work and I wanted a 4 bbl intake and I found a set on craigslist, C8 heads without the emissions, and a c5 intake.  However, I figured out when I put the thermostat on that this was not a regular old 4 bbl intake.  it had a huge thermostat opening and was a relatively tall intake.  I'm thinking it came off something like a 361 or a 391. 

I also put an Edelbrcok 600 cfm carburetor on it (my 390 in my '68 Torino had a 650 I believe, so I figured it should be fine), but the whole time I've owned it, when you would punch the throttle, it would overload with fuel, surge, and just not accelerat.e  Plus, when cranking it, it was easy to flood it out and took a lot to play with the choke and the such.

Then, the other day, it got to where it would hardly take fuel at all, and I barely nursed it home.  I fouled the plugs out flooding it so much I believe, haven't had a chance to pull the plugs out yet, but that's what it acts like.


So the question... could putting a 361-391 4bbl intake on a set of stock built c8 cylinder heads off a 390 be a problem, or should I buy something like a Edelbrock with a 500 carburetor?  Or both?

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