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FE Technical Forum / Re: titan oil pump
« on: June 06, 2015, 01:43:58 PM »
Back to back, the Titan was not any better as long as the supply line on the suction side of the regular pump is large enough.  The Titan has no pickup.......it is part of the housing body, which reduces the chance of cavitation.  Nice pump, nice guy owns the place, but in a Ford, the pump has the same style rotor as the Titan.  The pump is probably more durable in an endurance setting........a cast pump can break, but they can be cryoed also...........

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FE Technical Forum / Re: welding pro port heads
« on: May 08, 2015, 10:03:42 PM »
It is doable, but raising the port with that scenario will usually compromise the strength of the mounting pad.  I think it is much better to bolt the subplate for the T&D on with the five 1/2" head bolts.  No stress on the tops of the ports that way.   Raising the port then poses no potential problems with pulling the fasteners out, or pulling the tops off of the ports.  Longer valves and a slight relocation of the subplate towards the center of the engine will allow the T&D subplate to be mounted higher on the head while still maintaining correct geometry.  You can also tilt the mounting pad slightly to improve geometry in some instances, and spot face the bar back parallel with the deck where the bolts go.  Lots of ways to skin a cat......LOL.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Steel/steel vs alloy/steel harmonic damper
« on: April 16, 2015, 10:55:56 PM »
The need for "more" damper is most closely related to stroke.  As stroke increases, heavier inertia weights and larger diameters are more desireable.  I use alot of both styles of the ATI dampers.  On some short stroke FEs (like 3.5) we use a smaller diameter, and very light shell...........On long strokers (like 4.4) we use a larger and heavier unit.  I think the ATI's are the best..........JMO.  They have alot more options than what is listed in the catalog.

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Member Projects / Re: 504 Highboy
« on: April 16, 2015, 08:25:15 AM »
Guys I had the interference problem on a 105 block.



You sure did! I have never used the 1020 on the smaller bores, but it looks like it would be the same problem.  I like the 8045 PT on those blocks, as far as conventional gaskets go.

Notice the rust that happens under the gasket, which will eventually erode under the fire ring. 

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I use the NGK, BKR6E in the BBM for pump gas street use.  Seems to do better for me than the Autolite on pump gas.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: How much lift and duration on a hyd. Roller??
« on: April 05, 2015, 05:31:08 PM »
I have never seen that be an issue.  Even a "full body" roller should not come close to contacting the lobe.  Hydraulic rollers have large base circles and slower opening ramps than solid rollers.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Jay or anyone else, PI intake
« on: March 20, 2015, 08:02:52 PM »
I've done several Stockers that go north of 550 with the 481/490 and 525 lift rules.  I think the manifold could make 600 hp if you suck on it hard enough, but that may be about the limit.   It will respond to porting in the right places, but without working it, it will struggle to get past the 600 mark.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Budget 390 opinion
« on: March 01, 2015, 06:05:24 PM »
I'd go hydraulic roller and never look back.  It's more torque and more reliable than a flat lifter cam.

Blair, your hatred for flat tappet cams is well known. I know there are occasional lobe failures on flat tappet cams, but I've never had one. I've got solids that have been running for over 25 years that require no lash adjustments. I know of plenty of others that have been used for well over 35 years, in multiple engines. So when people can show me rollers that have gone over 100k miles and last 25+ years of daily use IN AN FE (not in a new engine), then I'll believe that rollers COULD be as reliable as a solid flat tappet.

Not sure I'd call it a hatred for flat tappets.  I actually like solid flat tappets.  We get them well into the 9's with .500 lift in racing apps, BUT the problem for me comes when I build an engine for a customer, and neither the customer or myself does anything "wrong".  No wrong spring pressures, no wrong parts, no wrong break-in, and no wrong treatment after the customers gets it...................and then.................for no reason..........it wears a lobe off after a short time period.  Now, if I send that engine to, let's say, California, from Tennessee..... if that customer wants me to fix it, think of the cost to me.  I would have to have two more successful builds to recover from the loss on that one.  I don't like to build street/strippers for customers with flat lifters because of the potential for it to cost me an arm and a leg "if" it happens to kill a lobe............which is possible.  I admit, I have never had that happen, but I know the cost if it did.  I have just made a decision to not build aggressive flat tappets for street use.  A low rpm, 100 seat, 280 open, 5000 rpm truck engine............fairly safe, and I will do that, but a 160/400 sprung, 7500 rpm flat lifter that sits in a garage for three months at a time.......not me.  In that case, it is a cocked gun, just waiting to fail.  I would rather do a solid roller and tell a guy he has 10,000 safe miles before a lifter change.  Just a business decision more than a "hatred".  The oils we use do not have the same "guts" that oils used to have.  There is a reason the OEMs went away from flat lifters, and I have grown to prefer the hydraulic rollers on the street.  They have been cycle tested at 400 open pressure, and proven reliable, and I am on that program.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Budget 390 opinion
« on: February 26, 2015, 05:39:44 PM »
I'd go hydraulic roller and never look back.  It's more torque and more reliable than a flat lifter cam.  I use a .524 lift,  224/224 on a 112 custom grind pretty often for what you descibe.  We put it in heavy cars, 1-tons, etc.  It is my favorite for an engine that needs to be there right off idle.  The cam is a little more, and you'd have to buy lifters, but much better in the long run, and no worn lobes when you least expect it.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Budget 390 opinion
« on: February 25, 2015, 09:31:56 PM »
I think I'd stay around the 220 mark, and 112-ish on the lobe separation.  A truck used like a truck is easily over-cammed if you are not careful.  As far as the power brakes go, you can operate brakes at 230 on a 390, as long as you keep the lobes spread to 112, but it will start to be sluggish off-idle and up to around 1500 if you go too far.  I'd go .500 lift, 220 @ .050, and 112.  If you go hydraulic roller, add about 4 degrees to it, since the quicker ramps will restore some of the off-idle response.  Might want to think about a smaller manifold for a 390.........maybe even an iron CJ intake if in a truck, or a PI or Streetmaster. JMO.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Is HP or RPM the greater limit to OEM part life
« on: February 25, 2015, 08:22:16 PM »
I guess I have a whole lot more faith in the OEM C7AE-B rods (or other beefy part numbers) than some folks do.  I am not a "real" engineer, but  I am a pretty good hillbilly shithouse engineer.  That is a trademarked term, by the way, ha ha.  Back when aftermarket rods were not legal in Stock and Super Stock, we....and many others........did figure out how to make the rods live.  I absolutely agree that RPM is much harder on the rods than power alone, and really high compression ratios stress things more also.  Most "windowed" FE blocks are from RPM related failures, but not from BROKEN rods initially.  First, they spun the bearing, and then the cap came off, and then it went through the side.  My opinion is that in the vast majority of rod failures, the rod broke after it slapped around on stuff a few rounds after the bolts failed and the cap flew off.  I have seen the beams bent double at times, that did not break. 

The Lemans rods became junk when the dowels got loose, and the cap would not repeat the same place twice.  Many guys just bolted them right in there, unround, with bad clearance issues, and never knew it.  The 3/8 "nut and bolt" became the rod of choice, for the extra meat that remained around the housing bore.  When we learned how to prep the big end of the rod to compensate for the flex, and MUCH better fasteners came along, the rod and bearing troubles really became a non-issue.  If the housing bore is not fixed right, the bearing, which is too narrow for it's diameter, will spin in the bore, hence starting the snowball effect that ends up a hole in the pan rail.  While I am sure there have been cases where a rod beam did fail, the vast majority of stock FE rod problems begin with the big-end compromised.

I grew up at racetracks, watching FE's with stock rods turning 8K repeatedly, and if prepped properly, they rarely had problems.  If prepped "well" but wrong, they would not make it through one weekend.  When I do an engine these days with OEM rods, they get the 1978 "Super Stocker" prep job, along with ARP bolts.  My gut tells me that I would not worry about the rods breaking with a blower, below 6500 rpm, if it had even 600-700 HP.  I would want to polish the beams, make sure there are no stress risers, and mag them, or even X-ray them, and shot peen them.  We have a few places in Chattanooga that used to do metal parts prep work for the foundries and for CE that will do some of that stuff for surprisingly low costs.  I send six or eight sets of rods at a time, and then shelf them, and the per set cost is less.  Then, doing the big-end and adding bolts can be done as needed.  Clevite used to make a bearing # 952-P that also helped.  I find the King bearing will carry the load better these days than the Clevite or the F-M offerings.  Both the rod journal and the rod big-end bore need to have VERY minimal taper...........less than the bearing books profess.........because the FE rod bearing is absolutely too narrow when loaded heavily, for anything to be out of wack.

The big end needs exaggerated eccentricity at the parting line, and very tight vertical crush.  There are several ways to get there, but that is how they will survive.  Scary tight vertical bearing clearance, and scary loose at the part-line.  The bearings will be beautiful upon teardown.  I think it would be cool to do an FE with a light box-style forged piston, properly prepped OEM internals, and 8-10 psi boost.  If I live long enough to do it, I have plans to play with that myself.  I think the 390 crank, or even a 361 steel unit (low cost core) with the snout and tail fixed would be really durable.  3-webs, studded mains, and head studs and Cometic head gaskets.  Should run a LONG time.  Low cam lift, .500-ish, with a valve job for that idea, and a head that can be prepped to compliment the cam.................duration depending on cubes, wide separation, really good exhaust "blowdown" and good follow-up exhaust flow.  Sweet for the street. JMO.

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Blair,
got a new BBM block and heads, going to put them together myself. Any tips on things I should look for or modifications that need to be done to these parts, or is it a pretty straight forward build with these parts.

Both the heads and the blocks are very good.  Anytime you build "new" stuff, as opposed to rebuilding something that has already been in a running state, you should check EVERYTHING.  The bare heads will, of course, need the guides reamed and honed before any other prep can be done.  The blocks I have worked on so far, are ready for inspection, honing, and any finish machining.  I did have to drill the feed hole from the #1 cam bore to intersect with the thrust bolt hole in order to oil the distributor.  You could also do it by drilling a .020 to .030 hole in the galley plug in the distributor hole, so it could pee down on the gear and the pilot hole area.  With these or any NEW block, be sure to check things like the distributor fit, lifter bore size, etc.  I did a little deburr on the bottom of a few lifter bores, but overall, nothing major.  Assume nothing on new parts...........check everything for yourself. JMO.

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Ive Seen some of that Chili , Blair can Cook , although His Wife Susan is Better  8)

Yes she is!  That is partly why I am SO fat.  :)

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The floors were not filled on this head/manifold, as I thought it would like the volume.  It had straight-on rockers, no offsets of the lifters or the valvetrain.  Surprised me, really.  [/quote]

So this was with Ford high riser port heights?
I did not realize that the pro-port medium riser Edelbrock casting would accommodate that.
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Yes, the port location was a match with a HR gasket.  I had to "help it".  We ran my Medium Riser "street port" program on it first, and then I turned it into a High Riser roof location on the Bridgeport and the grinding table.  Can't do it without T&D.  There would not be enough material for the rockers to bolt to.  Since the T&D is fastened to the headbolts, there is no problem with the roof being pretty thin.  Raising the roof and improving the entry angle was worth quite alot.  Strikingly similar to some of the Chevy LS stuff.  They were not the first to have tall, skinny ports!! LOL.

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Maybe cylinder to cylinder?
Do you check individual EGT or A/F?

Did not check individual cylinders on this engine, but we have good RacePac info from in-car data on the F manifold from our Stock Eliminator engines, so I already knew pretty much where to go with the carbs.  Both the single and the dual four HR intakes are actually VERY good performers.  I used the 1X4 on my '08 EMC junk with a 4150 flange carb, and it had extremely good distribution, both A/F and temp-wise.  The floors were not filled on this head/manifold, as I thought it would like the volume.  It had straight-on rockers, no offsets of the lifters or the valvetrain.  Surprised me, really.  It should be a nice combo with plenty of grunt without having to turn to the moon.

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