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Non-FE Discussion Forum / Re: Ford to eleminate dealership's.
« on: August 02, 2022, 04:51:16 PM »
Typical CEO bluster without much planning or details behind it, "Hay Tesla did it, why can't we?" mentality.  I wish him the best of luck, but then I like to watch dumpster fires just because.  It may be good news for all the small time mechanics, but only if Ford makes it easier to service their vehicles and starts eliminating the "Dealer Only" tools and other junk required for service on these "modern" cars.

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Non-FE Discussion Forum / Re: Drivetrain loss
« on: July 21, 2022, 12:59:05 PM »
Something else for you to think about.  I spent 13 years in the powersports industry (ATV's and Side x Sides).  Your typical ATV with a Kevlar Belt CVT style transmission, high angle CV joints in the halfshafts, and straight cut bevel gears in the trans and differentials will lose between 35% and 45% of the engines crankshaft power to the drivetrain before it gets to the wheels.  I.E., an 80 Hp 950 cc V-Twin on the engine dyno was putting about 48 hp to the ground on the chassis dyno.  Obviously this is on the extreme end of drivetrain in-efficiency spectrum, but that 32 hp that is lost has to go somewhere.  Generally it manifests itself as heat due to internal friction, and is a big reason why the drivetrain components where not expected to last much over 150 or 200 hrs of operation, equivalent to 5000 thousand miles at most.  Much different than the automotive side of things, but the concepts are the same.  There is a direct relationship with the amount of Energy or Power that is consumed by each drivetrain component and how long it lasts.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: 63 Galaxie rack and pinion
« on: July 11, 2022, 12:52:13 PM »
Unisteer makes a similar kit that uses the center steer GM rack for quite a bit less than the Flaming River. 

https://www.unisteer.com/collections/ford/products/1960-64-ford-rack-pinion-kit-for-traditional-motors

For me, it was easy to fabricate the system as the car was completely disassembled down to the bare chassis.  It would be a bunch more work to recreate it on an assembled car, especially if you were working off of jack stands, and not a lift.  For an assembled car, purchasing a kit may make sense.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: 63 Galaxie rack and pinion
« on: July 11, 2022, 12:10:38 PM »
I have not used the Flaming River Kit, but there a couple of things that stand out to me right away when I look at it on line.

1.  The Price.  Holy Shit, I am in the wrong business.  $2500+ for a reverse steer Mustang II power rack and a laser cut steel bracket.  They must think we are stupid.
2.  This kit uses a rack with the ball joints at the ends.  With the Galaxies A-arm geometry, this puts the pivot point of the tie rod well outboard of the Lower Control Arms pivot axis.  This will likely lead to bump steer and is a significant departure from the original geometry. 

I built the rack and pinion for my '62 Monterey (same chassis as your '63 Galaxie).  I used a late 80's GM J platform rack (Think 1989 Cavalier, Sunfire, etc).  The advantage of the GM rack is it is center steer.  I fabricated a plate that mounts to the center of the rack, and holds the tie rod ends at the right location so as to not create any bumpsteer or other geometry issues. 

I also fabricated a couple of plates that mounted the rack to the chassis, using the factory GM C-Clamps.  I made my own tie rods using DOM tube, and purchased a set of LH and RH 11/16 taps from McMaster-Carr.  All in, the whole setup was less than $500.  Not the best pictures, but you get the idea.

I used the original FoMoCo Eaton power steering pump, and just had the local hydraulic shop make up a couple of new lines with the right ends on them  For the steering linkage, I cut the rag joint coupler off the end of the column.  Put a support bearing into the end of the column tube and use a Heidt's Double D universal joint and couplers.  I did have to weld a heim joint to the frame to support the steering linkage as well since it took 3 joints to get to where I needed to go.

The one downfall, is the GM rack doesn't have as much lateral travel as original steering system, so some turning radius was lost.  A person could shorten the steering arms on the knuckles to get that back.  I never took the time, and in a 19' long wagon, people expect you to do a 3 point turn in a tight parking lot anyways.

FPA makes a set of headers to clear this particular conversion.  They worked well in my car.  Overall, the car handles really well, and is much more responsive than with the stock bell crank system.











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FE Engine Dyno Results / Re: FE BUILD SLOWDOWN
« on: July 06, 2022, 01:19:51 PM »
I have been playing with an IDI, an MEL, and about to start in on a 300 I6, but no FE projects in the near term. I will also 2nd Mr. Lykins comment about the difficulty in getting all the parts to finish a project.  Took me 9 months to get this 7.3 IDIT back together, way to much time spent waiting for part X to arrive.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Why question continued
« on: July 06, 2022, 01:11:08 PM »
You would have to get the design engineers, manufacturing engineers, tooling engineers, accountants, and managers all in a room and have them explain why the decisions were made.  I can tell you that I have worn a few of those hats for both OEM and Tier 1 suppliers, and quite often the decisions are made as a result of immediate circumstances, even if it is known that they will look foolish in the future.

The other aspect that you have to remember is the OEM is concerned about initial assembly, and initial assembly only.  They care very little about compatibility, ease of service, disassembly, etc.  If they can save a few pennies and increase efficiency on the assembly end, they will make those changes quickly.

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Non-FE Discussion Forum / Re: Two post lifts
« on: June 20, 2022, 02:37:15 PM »
Does anyone make a mobile column lift for light duty cars and trucks?

Being out at Back to the 50's over the weekend and looking at drive on runway style lifts with the wife got me thinking.  I really like the mobility (tuck it away in the corner when not in use) and accessibility (no runways in your way) of the set of column lifts we have at work, but I don't work on 45' motor coaches at home.  Everything I have found, Stertil-Koni included, is 14,000 lbs per column or larger.  I just want a set for lifting my much smaller stuff.  The biggest thing I have is a DRW F350.  3,000 lbs per column would be more than adequate.  Is there anything out there in a smaller (2K to 5K lbs) and cheaper price range? 







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Minnesota is a big state, but it looks like you are hoping to find a place near the Twin Cities.  I had used a shop in Brainerd for the driveshaft on my '51 F-1 decades ago, and a quick Google Maps search shows they are also no longer there, so not much help.  Since moving to the Red River Valley, I have probably had a dozen custom driveshafts made or modified by Grand Forks Welding and Machine over the past 15 years or so.  Great bunch of folks to work with.  I am sure if you provide end type specifications, and dimensions they can make something and ship it to you.

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Your worried about the wrong thing.  Typically torque values on hardware are designed to generate a tensile load in the bolt of 75% of the proof load of that bolt's material, but this is obviously based on a nominal friction coefficient of the joints components (bolts, nuts, washers, etc.).  So, for example, a 3/8" UNC Grade 8 bolt torqued to 33 ft-lbs on the nut side would nominally generate about 7,000 lbs of tensile (clamp) load.  I.E, that is 7,000 lbs of force trying to pull the stud out of the cylinder head, much, much more than the weight of the headers which is distributed across 12 or 16 fasteners.   

The much bigger concern is a fastener / nut combo that does not have the correct friction coefficient.  Too little friction leads to very high clamp loads that can damage the joint by stripping threads, yielding or pulling the bolt apart, or crushing parts of the joint (gaskets, bushings, etc.).

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Non-FE Discussion Forum / Re: Extreme (real) pro stock
« on: May 17, 2022, 02:49:38 PM »
Yeah,  Pretty tough to call these "Ford" or "Chevy" motors.  There is some geometry that is similar to or derived from parts of the 385 and BBC engines, but everything is bigger, all billet, and very highly engineered.  Honestly, they have as much in common with a Mack 998 V8 as a Ford 460 V8.




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Non-FE Discussion Forum / Re: Street Compression for 4V Cleveland
« on: April 20, 2022, 12:50:28 PM »
I agree 9.5 to 10 should be fine with the right cam and tune.  You could go higher, but you will need to control everything pretty tightly. 

Hell, the wife had a VW Passat that was direct injected, turbocharged, and was still a 10:1 compression motor despite being able to push 15 lbs of boost.  Kind of cool what you can get away with, with the right engine control setup. 

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Member Projects / Re: New engine for my tow truck
« on: April 15, 2022, 11:51:08 AM »
Sounds very similar to the 390 I built for my '76 F250 Camper Special 5 or 6 years ago.  I too wanted a towing cam, something that had a lot of low and mid range torque and would work well with the stock heads and 4 bbl intake.  I ended up choosing a Howard's Dual Pattern Cam (P/N HRC250031-12).  It worked really well, that motor pulled like freight train from 2000 RPM's on up.  It had no trouble yanking my 24', 10,000 lb Pace enclosed along at 65 - 70 mph.  For a 410, you may want something a bit bigger for the extra cubic inches.

Here are the specs.
Year: 1963 - 1977
Make: Ford
Engine: 352-428
Camshaft Type: Hydraulic Flat Tappet
Basic RPM Range: 1400 to 5200
Valve Lift Intake: .525
Valve Lift Exhaust: .525
Duration Intake: 267
Duration Exhaust: 277
Duration at 050 Intake: 213
Duration at 050 Exhaust: 223
Lobe Separation: 112
Intake Centerline: 108

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Alan,
    What you are seeing for pressure is normal in my experience.  I built a water pump dyno at my last job for developing water pumps on small engines (generally less than 1200 cc).  The dyno had an electric motor that drove the pump, and then there was a mock cooling system with a throttling valve in place of the thermostat in order to control head pressure at the pump.  With the throttling valve nearly closed, and flow restricted to just a trickle, it was not uncommon to see steady head pressures of 50 to 75 psi, depending on the pump specs.  Add in the water hammer effect from a rapidly closing thermostat due to a rapid cool down (think about splashing through a deep puddle), and it was easy to see coolant pressures spikes exceed a few hundred psi between the pump and thermostat.  I have seen situations were the impeller would actually be knocked off the shaft.

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Non-FE Discussion Forum / Re: Abandoned places
« on: March 18, 2022, 01:17:27 PM »
Cool photos Heo.

I have a similar affliction, and even got to spend a few years living and working in North Dakota which is chuck full of ghost towns and other abandoned property.  So much so that multiple books have been written and numerous National Geographic articles as well.




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Non-FE Discussion Forum / Re: Been waiting for it
« on: March 09, 2022, 01:16:51 PM »
I can see the board trembling at Ford. Yeah, the small car market is back and they (Ford) aren't making any.

No shit, It will be interesting to see what they do short of writing Elon a big check.

Guess it may be time to befriend a few restaurant owners and convert the old IDI to run on veggie oil....

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