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FE Technical Forum / Re: Help me get 700hp out of a 482
« on: April 08, 2018, 12:18:58 PM »
Here is a 482 inch FE that made 700 hp on pump gas. The big solid roller might not fit into your plans but it sounds like the rest of it should work for you. This is an EFI engine. You can probably hit the number with carbs but EFI has a lot of advantages.

http://www.hotrod.com/articles/dyno-tested-make-700-hp-trick-flows-new-fe-heads/


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Yep, I've seen them. They work great. Made 700 hp on a pump gas 482 with a BBM intake and dual throttle bodies:   http://www.hotrod.com/articles/dyno-tested-make-700-hp-trick-flows-new-fe-heads/

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Picking Cam For Electric Fuel Injection ?
« on: March 07, 2018, 08:14:38 PM »
Oh, forgot.

I have a older FAST set-up. 53lb. injectors, pump etc. Everything but fuel lines.
I can use it as is, order a up grade or my buddy is a dealer of a top end stand alone computer system. Can't recall whom right now.
His cost is $900.

Get your FAST stuff together then call Rich at FAST Man EFI and tell him what you have and what you are trying to do. He can steer you down the correct path and get you the parts you need.

Shouldn't be any problem to buy a cam that has a little bit of rumble at idle but works fine with the FAST system. The EFI setups are pretty good at dealing with performance cams. If the cam is too big you can just kick the EFI out of closed loop at idle and run it off of the fuel table.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Tunnelwedge preference
« on: March 07, 2018, 12:13:43 AM »
The 482 with the BBM tunnel wedge that I worked on recently was making more than 550 ft-lbs at 4000 rpm so I think that is adequate for a street car. No doubt a dual plane intake would have more torque downstairs, but 550 at 4000 is pretty decent. The engine isn't in the car yet so I can't say exactly how it runs yet, but I think it is going to be fine. The cam can always go one size smaller if we need a little more torque down low, or we can add some gear in the rear. This engine had dual throttle body fuel injection which probably helped. It can be tough to get dual carbs dialed in on a big single plane intake. With dual throttle bodies and a computer controlled ignition it is easier to dial in a tune.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Tunnelwedge preference
« on: March 06, 2018, 08:43:11 PM »
If you were building a all most unstreetable 482 street engine, manual trans, 3200lbs, would you use a BBM or unmolested Ford manifold ?

Out of the box BBM tunnel wedge worked great on this 482 inch FE. 640 ft-lbs of torque at 5400 rpm:  http://www.hotrod.com/articles/dyno-tested-make-700-hp-trick-flows-new-fe-heads/

If you really want to get on it then shift at 6500 and drop back to the torque peak in the low 5000 range. Should make a 3200 lb car stand up and go.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: New Trick Flow FE cylinder heads & Intake
« on: February 22, 2018, 12:34:09 PM »
That is a nice article!

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Edelbrock 2x4 Adaptor - Interest?
« on: February 10, 2018, 02:15:11 PM »
Dual throttle bodies would be a good solution, otherwise just stick with the Edelbrock carbs. That intake is a good match for a street rod or a cruiser. Edelbrock carbs work just fine for street rods or cruisers so it is a good match. If you want a race intake then buy a race intake. You can train a donkey all day long and it still won't be a race horse........

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Edelbrock 2x4 Adaptor - Interest?
« on: February 07, 2018, 05:54:13 PM »
Sometimes 10 lbs of spuds won't fit in a 5 lb sack.

If you have to run Holley carbs on that intake then run them sideways and spend your time building the linkage. If you just don't want to run the Edelbrock/AFB type of carb then use two throttle bodies.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: New Trick Flow FE cylinder heads & Intake
« on: February 04, 2018, 06:36:17 PM »
I'm as interested in that comp rocker setup. But I can't find it anywhere.

Used to be t&d or bust on an engine with this kind of power lift etc.

Both Jegs and Summit have the Comp rocker arms:  http://www.jegs.com/i/COMP-Cams/249/19046/10002/-1

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FE Technical Forum / Re: New Trick Flow FE cylinder heads & Intake
« on: January 29, 2018, 06:04:52 PM »
It will be interesting to see what the "right" cam would be for these heads. I picked the cam before the heads were shipping so there wasn't any data to go on. I had a rough idea of how well they would flow but I didn't have any engineering information about the heads. I think my guess ended up pretty close to the mark but I'm sure guys like you can do a better job once you spend some time with the heads and see what they really want. My goal was to have the first engine running with the Trick Flow heads on them so I had to order all of my parts before the heads even shipped.

I did talk to a few people about the cam profile. I sent Barry an email on the cam and he gave me some feedback. I used the Rick Jones model and I usually build the engine in PipeMax as well. So if you do all of that you usually end up in the right zip code.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: New Trick Flow FE cylinder heads & Intake
« on: January 29, 2018, 05:05:24 PM »
That is good insight Scott and I think you are spot on. I was pretty sure I had the cam timing correct for the build but I did not know if the street roller lobes would be a good match for these heads. I took a gamble on that since I figured the 1.76 rocker arms would speed them up enough to work. I'm sure there is power left on the table with this build but it is going into a street car so I don't think anyone involved really cares. The street roller lobes should be a good fit for intended use of the engine.

On my Mopar dyno mules I spend a fair amount of time trying different lobe profiles and different rocker arm ratios to see what works. Sometimes I find something that works and sometimes I don't. Billy Godbold just sent me a cam with some new lobes for my 470 engine so we'll get that on the dyno in a week or two to see if it picks up some power. The more aggressive lobes sometimes pick up power and sometimes they don't. I'm not smart enough to know when they'll work and when they won't. I did an infamous article for Car Craft last year where I spent a ton of time (and money) testing all sorts of different rocker arm ratios and had zero power difference between them. That was a case where the engine did not want more aggressive valve action or more lift. It just didn't care.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: New Trick Flow FE cylinder heads & Intake
« on: January 29, 2018, 03:19:21 PM »
Andy, did you flow/pour those heads before you installed them?

Nope. Changed valve springs, checked guide clearance, shaved the intake side a little bit, cleaned them up and bolted them on. Zero port work. I have to run them "out of the box".

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FE Technical Forum / Re: New Trick Flow FE cylinder heads & Intake
« on: January 29, 2018, 12:11:36 AM »
I thank Andy for sharing this engine build. One thing I was wondering about was the BBM tunnel wedge intake. The large ports did not seem to hurt. I know it is not like driving to see how throttle response is, but the manifold seems to work at least for a combination like this 482.

We won't know throttle response until in the car but we did run blip tests on the dyno to check AFR against TPS rate of change. All of that looked good and the engine responds very quickly. In a heavy Galaxie with highway gears it could be an issue. I wouldn't be surprised if we have to drop the camshaft size one step to make the car really responsive. We won't know that for several months.

I do think the intake manifold is absolutely key to these power numbers. I was blown away with the 1 kPa delta between baro and MAP. On my single carb engines we would kill for 1 kPa delta. Usually it is 4 or 5 kPa with a 2000 cfm throttle body. Also, the intake port alignment was perfect between the intake manifold and the cylinder heads. It took a fair amount of work to get that perfect alignment but I think it is important enough to work on it until it is correct. A little bit of mismatch there can cost 10 or 15 hp on an engine like this.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: New Trick Flow FE cylinder heads & Intake
« on: January 28, 2018, 08:29:18 PM »
Sounds like we need an aftermarket cylinder head comparo.  Stock out of the box with no mods or porting.  Put them all on the same dyno mule.  I know a guy who has a lot of experience with that comparo stuff. He even wrote a great book with all results...Just sayin... ;)

Thanks. I assume you're talking about me and my book?  https://www.amazon.com/How-Build-Max-Performance-Mopar-Big-Blocks/dp/1613250924/

Oh, maybe you mean Barry and his book? Or Jay and his book?

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FE Technical Forum / Re: New Trick Flow FE cylinder heads & Intake
« on: January 28, 2018, 07:36:57 PM »
Honestly, I don't see any of this as bickering.  It's just honest and intense discussion.   I think it's good.  I did notice that the only professional engine builder that has actually put his hands on these heads is withholding final judgement, pending more testing.  That seems logical to me.

paulie

The guy who built this 482 is a professional engine builder and he is a FE guy. He has a FE in his shop truck and a 428 CJ in his Mustang. He has been building FE engines for 30 years. The world is larger than just the guys who log into this corner of the internet.

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