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FE Technical Forum / Re: Making a 410 and other questions
« on: January 17, 2014, 07:59:52 AM »
You'll need to get everything balanced to use the 410 crank along with the flywheel and harmonic dampener. Since you have to do that, have your machinest deck the block about .010-.020 and the heads milled. Then you can use .020 steel shim gaskets. Depending on the cam you get you can bring the DCR down to a manageable level to run 87 octane gas with 10.5 CR. If you can keep the squish down below .050 you'll have a nice running engine. If you don't go too radical a cam you can still have 13 inches manifold vacuum at idle that will run a 8" dual diaphragm power brake booster. Just my take.

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FE Technical Forum / Spark Plugs
« on: January 17, 2014, 07:29:39 AM »
Guys,
   I got a question. My Edelbrock 428CJ heads call for the RC12YC spark plug. I've had the plugs out to check them but advice has been with the bad gas color can't be considered when looking at a plug any more. All I know is they are light brown in color.
   As some of you know when my engine warms up during drag racing I've been having a fuel starvation problem. As one guy put it " don't use the cheapest gas you can find to go drag racing". I promise I won't make that mistake again. But, in the mean time I'm getting my car ready for this upcoming season and I want to start with fresh spark plugs.
My question is: Would you go to a colder plug for the start of this year. And, what kind of plug do you suggest, knowing the plugs I have seem just fine for my everyday driving and trips. 
BTW: I've checked the bible (Great FE Intake Comparison) and also checked online and can't find any reliable information on what I need to know.
Thanks guys.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: When to shift
« on: December 10, 2013, 12:13:49 PM »
Thx gents, all great info.

I think mine is fairly similar to yours Jim. I told the builder it was just for fun, and that I wanted a tire spinning street car. It's just a fun Ratrod type T-bird that I cut a hole in the floor for a 4 speed. I fell in love with the idea of a 390 with a longer stroke after reading a bunch of stuff on the interweb. They all say torque is what'll move a heavy car. The builder told me that it was basically a 66, 67 Merc 410. It was bored .030. Has c4ae heads with CJ exhaust valves (stainless steel) and comp springs. I didn't know anything about "shimming" so I asked the builder after I read it on the build specs. He said something like it makes all the valves perform the same (evenly) and will help stop valve float. He used a CJ cam. It idles OK at 650 rpm. The CR is 10.5 and runs fine on 91 octane. I had found an RPM Performer intake. I put a Edel 750 with the appropriate jets and metering rods for our altitude. I also have FPA headers, they are the only ones I could find for a 59 T-bird - they were pricey but really well made. He said it would probably be in the 375 to 400 hp range and torque would be in the 450 range. The car weighs 3800 without me. 

What does .050 quench and 7.5 DCR mean? Also, what is desktop dyno? I'm guessing that's software for estimation purposes?

My rearend is a 3.89 one wheel turner. Once I break in the motor and clutch I will see how the wheel spins and hopefully get a limited slip 3.50 to 3.70ish pumpkin. I want to be able to drive it 90 miles to Albuquerque sometimes. I might buy a used trailer and tow it. If I do I'll go with a lower rearend.

I had a hard time setting the timing and I'm still tuning it. The builder told me the timing should be about 10-12 and that it should never go over 38 total. I think I might start a whole new thread on that when I get some warmer outdoor temperatures and can work on it.

thx, Dave J
Dave J,
    You need to figure out first what you want your car to do. With a four speed transmission you have to make a choice. When I restored my 57 Fairlane the first thing I did was design it. I wanted drag racing fun AND touring economy and smoothness. That's why I went with a Tremec TKO 600 with a 3.50 Tru-Trac. I cruise at 65mph and 1850 rpm getting 16 mpg and I can't put big enough tires under my car to keep it from spinning when I get on it. My advice to you with a 4 speed is to make a choice. Since I enjoy driving my car and going on trips I'd choose a 3.25 rear gear ratio at the most. But, if you like cruising down the interstate with your engine turning 3000 rpm, go with a lower gear.
Quench: That's the distance between the top of the piston and the bottom of the head with the head gaskets installed. You can go down to .040 at a minimum and .050 at the most to achieve a more complete gas atomization that will enhance the combustion in the cylinder and lower your needed octane level per compression ratio used. In other words it will help minimize spark knock when using lower octane fuels with higher compression engines.
DCR: Dynamic Compression Ratio is the actual compression ratio the engine sees. You need to look this up on the internet to fully understand it but in summary it's the compression ratio with stroke measured after the valves are fully closed on the compression stroke.
On both my 406 and 410 the Quench and DCR were designed into the engine before the cam, pistons or head gaskets were chosen. That's why I can burn 87 octane with a 10.5 CR, .042 Quench , 7.6 DCR 406ci engine and a 9.5 CR, .050 Quench, 7.5 DCR 410 ci engine.
Timing: My 410 ci engine has an initial timing of 14 degrees and a total of 38 degrees. The 406 ci had to be set at 17 degrees initial with a total of 34 degrees. The 406 had to have an ignition system that retarded the timing 5 degrees to enable the use of a stock starter though. You can't start a FE engine at 17 degrees, not very well anyway. I hope this helps.
PS The 406 engine was initially designed to drag race. I built the engine before I got the car from New Mexico. The car ended up being too nice to cut up so I changed the ring and pinion in the 3.50 Tru-Trac I'd previously bought to a 2.75 gear ratio. I also had to change the cam in the engine and turn the vacuum screw back in the Jay Broader transmission so it wouldn't jerk your head off during slow speed shifts. I get 14 mpg with that engine and I cruise at 2150 rpm at 65mph. I had to make a choice with that car because I didn't have a transmission versatile enough for touring and drag racing. I can barely spin a wheel with that car (406).

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FE Technical Forum / Re: When to shift
« on: December 09, 2013, 05:53:37 PM »
Quick question gents. I've never drag raced other than as a kid on a remote deadend strip. In other words I've never been a real racer before.
I have a 4 speed top loader. My engine builder told me 6000 rpm was about redline. If I "speed" shift at about 4800 the engine rev will most likely shoot up to the 6k range for a micro second. (of course longer if I miss a gear) Is it super bad for the motor if this happens?
Also, what does valve float feel like while driving?
Still breaking in my motor and clutch until this Spring, but would one day like to take it to the strip in Albuquerque just to see what it will run.
Jim Nolan, I'm curious about your 410 build. I just had one done and I was wondering what hp and torque I might expect from it. Can you tell me what yours has?

thx a ton, Dave J

   
Dave J,
    It's not speed shift, it's called power shifting. And, you won't be seeing 6K on your tach. Your engine doesn't have that much time between completely disengaged to engaged again to get there. 
   As far as my 410 is concerned I designed it to have a .050 quench, 9.5 CR and 7.5 DCR. It was imperative that my engine take me on a 1000 mile road trip, burn 87 octane gas, not overheat in long periods of traffic congestion, idle at 650rpm and give somewhat decent gas mileage yet make me think I was driving a 60's muscle car. I achieved all that. I estimate the engine to be delivering about 375 horsepower. DesktopDyno5 says I've got 416 HP @5000 rpm and 474 lbs torque at 4000 rpm ( I don't believe it ).  I haven't got tires that will hook up to find out how fast through the quarter mile it really is. It is without doubt a high 13's car if I could break the 2.1 sec 60' mark. If I were you, I'd limit my RPM's to 4800. After everything is said and done you want to be able to use it again. It's still a high torque engine. Not a short stroke chevy that has to wind to 7000 rpm just to get HP out of it. A somewhat stock FE gets it's HP below 5000 rpm. For my engine I like 5000 rpm shifts just because my rpm's don't drop back far enough to overtorque the rear wheels and make them spin so much in 2nd and 3rd. It's a smooth ride once you get past the 60' mark. Good luck.
PS. You asked about valve float. I used to float the valves on my 66 Fairlane GT all the time in high gear. The car will just stop pulling, start maintaining a constant speed and if you look out the back window you won't be able to see behind you because of all the blue smoke. Most performance hydraulic lifters will last to 5000 rpm. You need solid lifters after that. And, don't be misled as to what rpm your engine will go to. A fully blown 650 HP engine is a lot different than a hopped up 375 HP more stock engine. If you look at your manufacture's specifications it'll tell you what to look for in the way of torque and horsepower. The biggest difference between a race engine and a hopped up engine is you can drive farther than a 1/4 mile with a hopped up engine. lol

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Rear main oil seal leak
« on: December 03, 2013, 05:13:07 PM »
Maybe fiddle with the PCV choice to pull a bit more crankcase vacuum?
  I installed  a new PCV valve today. It came in a kit that was marketed by C.R.A.P. I ordered the kit so I could install a PCV valve on my 63 with the 406 and aluminum intake. They advertise the PCV valve as that of the original specs of a 427 Ford engine. It's a nice kit and I bought another PCV valve just like the one that came in the kit, it only cost me three bucks. I took the old PCV valve out of the 57 with the 410 that was leaking and it barely rattled. The new one rattles big time. The new valve is a Fram FV184 and I can't find the specs on it but it's made for a chevy V8 up to 454. I need to find a place on the web that gives the specs for these PCV valves. I hope this helps with the oil leak because it went all summer without leaking and just started this last 1000 miles or so.
12/04/2013 
   I found out by searching the internet that the FV184 PCV valve has a spring in it that takes 117 grams of pressure to compress the internal spring .300", while the FV191 PCV valve has a spring that takes 95 grams of pressure to compress its' spring .300".

Both my cars (406 and 410) have cams in them that give me 13-15 inches manifold pressure at idle. I compared both PCV valves while monitoring a vacuum gauge. Both PCV valves gave me @14" MP at idle and 20' MP at @1500-2000 rpm. The only difference was the PCV valve with the light spring (FV191) was completely closed at idle and the PCV valve with the heavier spring (FV184) rattled constantly, indicating it was closing/opening at a very fast rate. I used the FV184 in both engines. 

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Rear main oil seal leak
« on: October 24, 2013, 01:29:34 PM »
Maybe fiddle with the PCV choice to pull a bit more crankcase vacuum?
Hadn't thought of that. I'll check that. I pull 14 inches of vacuum at idle. May need a different PCV valve.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Rear main oil seal leak
« on: October 13, 2013, 06:25:59 PM »
In a word....don't. Those products IMHO are fine for a old leaky engine in a grocery getter. Live with it, I say.

How come I had an idea that would be the answer. Done, If Brad Penn 10W30 doesn't fix it, it won't get fixed.

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FE Technical Forum / Rear main oil seal leak
« on: October 13, 2013, 09:20:58 AM »
Guys,
   I need to find out from your experience if using something like "Barr's Rear Main Oil Leak Sealant" will hurt an engine. I've got a small leak that I'm willing to put up with before I'd hurt my engine but if it'd help I'd use it. I've NEVER used anything in an engine like this before and don't want to damage a very fine running 410 engine. I'm just not physically able to do what I used to before the heart attack. Thanks guys. Jim

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Transmission vent on Tremec
« on: September 12, 2013, 05:38:45 PM »
I looked up the Tremec Website and they now suggest Dextron III/Mercon. I had plenty of that so I went out to the hanger, drained the Amsoil out and installed the Dextron III/Mercon ATF. I'll see what happens. As a side note, I don't think I lost very much fluid. It just looks like a lot on the floor.
 If that doesn't do it I'll probably pull it this winter and check the front end. I plan on taking it easy on the car the rest of the year anyway. Jim  PS  The corvette website had good information. Thanks guys.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Transmission vent on Tremec
« on: September 12, 2013, 03:24:57 PM »
I think I'll go back to GM Syncromesh 12345349 and see what happens. Thanks.

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FE Technical Forum / Transmission vent on Tremec
« on: September 12, 2013, 02:31:52 PM »
Guys,
   Have any of you with a Tremec TKO used a elbow and small filter for the top oil fill plug on a Tremec. The reason I'm asking is that on my application with the 57 Fairlane my transmission vent is right up against the transmission tunnel of my car. I've noticed oil seeping from between the bell housing and transmission like a seal is leaking around the output shaft and I just wondered after turning 5000 rpm on the race track if I may be building up pressure inside the transmission and forcing oil out. This Amsoil transmission fluid I'm using produces a quieter transmission but I wondered about heat and pressure. I've never seen this oil drip before when using GM Syncromesh transmission fluid. If it is a vent problem I thought a elbow and filter may cure my problem. ANYONE BEEN THERE BEFORE. Thanks, Jim  PS. Transmission has about 50K miles on it now.

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Guys,
Sorry for not answering. I don't get email notifications of posts for some reason. Anyway. I love ScotiaFE's reply. He hit it on the head. You've got to remember though that I drive this car every day. Until this year I've driven my car to the racetrack even if it's been 900 miles away. That was Gulfport. This is the first year that I put it on a trailer to take it to the racetrack, and that's been 250 and 150 miles away respectfully. I can control what's in the tank better if I tow the car. AND I WILL NEVER RUN CHEAP GAS AGAIN IF I'M DRAG RACING. Running the car like I did at Columbus has pretty well indicated what my problem is, so I can eliminate that problem hopefully. Thanks guys. Jim

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Jay and Machoneman,
   I use 87 Octane gas from the cheapest place I can get it. When I designed the engine I purposely chose compression, quench and cam to get a low DCR. I'd like to try racing gas anyway. I'll run the tank lower next time before I take it racing and try buying some racing gas. Thanks for the possible explanation. Jim
PS. I do use a 1/4" hard rubber carb spacer made for the 750 Holley.

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FE Technical Forum / Engine stumbles after repeated runs down the drag strip
« on: September 02, 2013, 10:08:47 PM »
Guys,
   You all probably know I've been chasing a problem with my car seemingly running out of gas on the top end after repeated trips down the drag strip. The guys that race all the time may be able to enlighten me on why that is. The hood is always raised after each run and my temp gauge is never over 180 degrees. Last weekend I found out definitely you couldn't run my engine repeated times with about 30 minutes between runs. I metal gas line has got fire sleeve on it also all the way from the fuel pump to the carburetor. It's not this engine just doing this either, my 390 I had in it before did the same thing. enlighten me on this. And, it seems to be worse when the temp is around 90-105 degrees ambient temp. Thanks, Jim

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FE Technical Forum / Re: When to shift
« on: August 31, 2013, 10:47:09 PM »
Well, I like to beat my car to death trying to figure out how to drive it Friday. I ended up using 28lbs of air in the rear. Leaving the line with it revved to 2000rpm and shifting at 5000 rpm. By shifting at 5000 I wasn't spending time squealing the tires in second and third. It just went. 14.3 ET @ 98 mph. Everyone was complaining because of the humidity. So, without the humidity I figure I've got a 14.1-14.2 car with street tires. I'm happy. Jim
 PS. The temp was 90 something Friday and I ran 5 times ( about 30 minutes apart ) The first run I pulled all the way through the quarter, Second run the same. Third run it fell on it's nose once, Forth run it fell on it's nose about two times, Fifth time it stumbled all the way through forth gear. Came back Saturday and didn't even run during time trials. Threw a dial-in on it, took it down cold for eliminations and it ran great. I bogged coming off line but it pulled great.  Let it cool down two hours for my second round of eliminations and it went through really strong again. In fact it was so great that I broke out by .3 seconds. And I had dialed in my best time on Friday.

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