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FE Technical Forum / Re: 428 bearing clearances
« on: February 20, 2019, 10:53:13 PM »
Thank you all for the responses. I know the rods were checked, but the block wasn't align honed.

I guess my next question is whether I'm safe running the motor with these clearances? Mains are .20 under and the rods .040 under.

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FE Technical Forum / 428 bearing clearances
« on: February 20, 2019, 03:38:39 PM »
I'm a little confused as to what bearing clearances are appropriate for an FE. I hear some people going as wide as .003, but after looking in the Ford shop manual, I'm reading numbers between .0008-.0026 to be allowable, and .0010-.0020 ideal for the rods and mains. I *believe* the machine shop had everything between .0015-.0020 which would be considered ideal per the shop manual.

However, many people are telling me that this is waaaay too tight? I'm running a precision oil pumps high volume pump with 10w30 oil, hot idle oil pressure @ 800 RPM is around 20 psi, cruising @ 2700 RPM gets me around 64 psi. I've got around 80-90 miles on the motor so far and it seems to be running great.

http://www.mustangtek.com/Library6/PDF/Vol-68-S1-L2_p1.pdf

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FE Technical Forum / Re: 428 overheating at idle
« on: February 17, 2019, 05:51:08 PM »
Thank you all for the suggestions. I have about 15 miles on the motor but several hours worth of run time at idle.

Today I tried a new 180* thermostat with a hole drilled in it along with adjusting the time timing. The fan clutch still has plenty of drag, it's a Murray 2711 and I can feel it blowing air at idle. The fan will even suck a piece of paper to the front of the radiator and hold it there at idle.

The pulleys are the factory units that I had on the prior rebuild.

I'm officially stumped.

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FE Technical Forum / 428 overheating at idle
« on: February 17, 2019, 02:07:22 AM »
I'm on the second rebuild of my 428, the first build lasted about 200 miles before a rod bearing self destructed. During that span, the motor ran great with temps ranging from 185-195.

It's now overheating at idle after being rebuilt a second time and I'm losing my mind trying to figure out the cause. The moment I bring the RPM up, the tempture shoots down, cruising its stone cold. I'm using a mechanical water temp gauge. EVERYTHING is the same as it was on the prior build, same timing, carb tuning, clutch fan, water pump etc. I'm running a Derale clutch fan with a factory shroud and ACP 3 row aluminum radiator.

The second rebuild consisted of new bearings, rings, hone, and crank regrind (and new gaskets of course). The machine shop built the short block, I assembled the rest. I purchased the exact same gaskets as before. I never pulled the thermostat, it's the same one that was in the motor before the second rebuild.

The head gaskets are not backwards and I did a block test to verify that there aren't combustion gases getting into the cooling system.

With the cap off, I can see coolant flowing when the thermostat opens. I've tried moving the initial timing anywhere from 8-22 degrees with no change, I left it where it ran best around 14. I even removed the PCV just to see if it was sucking in too much air and making it run lean at idle, again no change.

The only change is from a standard volume up to a high volume pump and the addition of oil restrictors in the cylinder head for the rocker arms (I'm using a massive Canton oil pan).


What gives? At idle it creeps up past 215+, but when the RPM's increase or I begin cruising it's 175-180.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Flywheel recomendation
« on: February 12, 2019, 06:03:28 PM »
I ended up using a Mcleod flywheel on my 428 and it's wonderful. I had originally ordered a Hays flywheel, but the center hole was machined too small and would not fit over the crank index.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: first fe experience
« on: February 12, 2019, 05:49:56 PM »
Heo, absolutely no offense taken. They would get deleted pretty quickly though, and I don't want to get banned..lol :o

happystang, that's a pretty cool start, especially at your age. Not many young guys can afford to even get into the vintage muscle car field, but that's a good one!

I've definitely learned that FE stands for Friggen Expensive LOL. I started dabbling with small blocks before I could even drive, that basically turned into work experience which is how I funded the '68.

Happystang, I like your car, the stans and the somewhat worn outside
(Dont like the word patina) and the way the wheels fill the wheelhouse
give it that all Go and no Show look. Try to remove the hubcaps and
se what you think about that. It give a more racey look in my opinion
67-68 FB is in my opinion the best looking mustang....Ohhh to be 24
again with a FE Mustang ;D. Was 24 when i bought the Fairlane

Thank you! It's affectionately been referred to as the Beater Bullitt (or the Banana Bullitt) by many. I'm in the process of making it more of a daily driver while I finish my last semester of college. Needless to say, it's been a great experience so far :).

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FE Technical Forum / Re: first fe experience
« on: February 09, 2019, 08:05:45 PM »
I'm still relatively new to the FE world :).

I purchased my S code '68 mustang fastback last August and turned 24 in November. The original 390 was gone, but the car came with a 428 short block that needed some freshening up. After a mechanical restoration, I took the fastback for its first drive in 40 years during the first week of January this year. I've dabbled with Windsors since I was 16, but this was my first time driving an FE powered car. Needless to say, I'm definitely hooked!

IMG_8521.JPG by armon7, on Flickr

IMG_8523.JPG by armon7, on Flickr

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Oil pump recommendations & oil restrictors
« on: January 31, 2019, 07:56:54 PM »
Thank you everyone for the suggestions. It sounds like I'll be ordering the restrictors for my Edelbrock heads along with a Melling M-57hv pump. I'm planning on getting this unit from Precision Oil Pumps:

http://stores.precisionoilpumps.com/blueprinted-melling-ford-fe-high-volume-1-4-pump/

Comments? Suggestions?

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FE Technical Forum / Oil pump recommendations & oil restrictors
« on: January 31, 2019, 02:10:50 AM »
Hi everyone,

I'm getting ready to order an oil pump for my 428, it's a very mild build with a hydraulic roller cam and Harland Sharps shaft rocker setup. I'll be using a Canton oil pan and windage tray, effectively making the oil capacity 8 quarts including the filter. The oil modifications have already been done on the block where the oil filter adapter bolts on (using the CJ style adapter) and all the oil galleys have been tapped for screw in plugs. I'm also using completely stock Edelbrock Performer RPM heads and intake. The car will see occasional spirited driving, but by no means will be beat on at a track (okay, MAYBE a few times).

With that being said, what oil pump should I use? Standard pressure/standard volume? High pressure standard/standard volume? High pressure/high volume? I currently have my eyes on this oil pump:

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/slp-224-43365a/overview/make/ford

Also, should I be running the oil restrictors in the heads even with the Harland Sharps rockers?

http://store.survivalmotorsports.com/oilreforedhe.html


This is unfortunately a rebuild of my 428 as the #4 rod bearing failed, we attributed the failure to some kind of contamination or foreign debris getting sucked into the oil pump. Poor thing only lived for about 200 miles.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: 428 oil pressure- calm my nerves
« on: January 12, 2019, 06:34:38 PM »
Welp, bad news. Sounds like there's some rod knock.

Not sure how this could have happened, I think I did everything by the book on my end, there's maybe 200 miles on the motor, used a Motorcraft or Wix filter for oil changes.

Primed the oil system before the first start up
Used the recommended oil and a bottle of ZDDP for start up (Valvoline 10w30) *it's a roller cam*
Changed the oil/filter after 100 miles to Valvoline 10w40
Coolant temps NEVER went past 185*

Oil pump inlet in block enlarged
Canton 8 qt capacity oil pan w/windage tray and matching pickup
Standard volume/pressure oil pump
Beefy oil pump driveshaft
Edelbrock heads
CJ oil filter adapter
New Harland Sharp rockers/shafts
Clevite bearings

The knocking started this morning when driving home on the freeway from a cars and coffee event, the hot idle oil pressure was down to 14 PSI. Going to call the machine shop on Monday and see what they say, they assembled the rotating assembly and did all the measuring for clearances. I'm going to drain the oil later today and see what it looks like, as of now I don't really want to look at it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40LtnjhDD3g

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FE Technical Forum / 428 oil pressure- calm my nerves
« on: January 11, 2019, 11:58:53 PM »
Okay, for the sake of my sanity, are these hot oil pressure readings normal for a fresh rebuild? I have maybe 200 miles on the motor, I'm using Valvoline 10w40 conventional with a Seal Power standard flow/volume oil pump. The idle is the concern, I feel that 18 PSI is fairly low for a fresh motor? I've read this is normal for FE engines? The block has had the oil pump area enlarged, the rockers are brand new Harland Sharps, using the CJ oil filter adapter, Edelbrock heads with no restrictors, Canton road race pan w/windage tray.


18 PSI @ 750 rpm
50 PSI @ 2000 rpm
55 PSI @ 3000 rpm

Thank you all again for all the help!!

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FE Technical Forum / Break in oil- roller cam
« on: December 28, 2018, 10:54:20 AM »
Hi everyone,

I'm slowly getting ready to fire up the 428 for the first time! It's got a Lunati hydraulic roller cam/lifters and Harland Sharp roller rockers. I used Royal Purple assembly lube on the pushrods, rocker arms, and cam/lifters. I know that roller cams don't really have a break in, but just for some peace of mind.

I was planning on using Rotella 15-40 for break in, is this acceptable for a new motor? I use it on my roller 306 in my '69, I figure it would be fine for this as well.

From what I've read, I should change the oil and filter after about 45 minutes of run time, is this correct?

IMG_8301.JPG by armon7, on Flickr

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Starter recommendations?
« on: December 27, 2018, 11:18:35 PM »
I thought I'd update this thread with my choice! The Powermaster stock style starter came in, it looks like they've fixed the issue with the start nose hitting the flywheel.

The offending area came nicely machined from the factory- it installed with no issues!

IMG_8295.JPG by armon7, on Flickr

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Correct clutch fork 428
« on: December 21, 2018, 04:38:35 PM »
I prefer the later style fulcrum & fork that use a flat spring that fits thru a square hole  in the fulcrum. Much less hassle to Re&re the fork. I have bought new late style fulcrums from Mustang venders, and a heavier duty version from  McLeod.

I actually ordered an NOS fulcrum on eBay last night, courtesy of Tony Branda.

Thank you for the suggestion!

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Starter recommendations?
« on: December 21, 2018, 04:25:31 PM »
With the Powermaster starter, twice I've had to slightly clearance the nose housing to keep from hitting the flywheel. Not a big deal, just a few seconds with a die grinder took care of it. I've had pretty good luck with the Powermasters, until I went on Drag Week. When making 200-300 mile trips, it would get heat soaked during a fuel stop and didn't want to engage. I never had that problem on local shorter trips. I switched to the RobbMc mini-starter and never had an issue after that. It's a bit pricey, but a great starter. This on a '69 Mustang with Hooker headers.

I'll try to post a photo of the interference with the Powermaster....if Photobucket will allow me to.


As you can see, the interference is relatively minor, and easily fixed. That shot is before I added some clearance with the grinder.

Doug, the modification on the starter nose seems very minor- I might end up going with Powermaster unit. The RobbMc mini-starter looks amazing, but it is very expensive (as is everything with FE engines!  ::) )

Thank you everyone for the suggestions!

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