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I suppose everybody has their own idea of fun. I've had the opportunity to drive quite a few 500+ rear wheel horse cars on the street and I don't think they're boring.  I'm not a drag racer, I'm just a street guy.  My Galaxie is a daily driver.  It's 34 miles round trip from my home to Whipple and back so yes, I prefer reliable power.  Thanks everyone for the input.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Is HP or RPM the greater limit to OEM part life
« on: February 23, 2015, 05:10:57 PM »
Love the analogy!  Thanks all for the input. - Garrett

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Is HP or RPM the greater limit to OEM part life
« on: February 23, 2015, 01:04:24 PM »
Barry, do you think the OEM block and crank provide enough headroom in this application?  I understand your experience is that the OEM pistons and rods are not up to the task, i.e. you'd go with forged parts there.  I understand the piston problem with detonation.  Are the rods questionable due to the fatigue concern you wrote about in your book?  If so, I assume (perhaps wrongly) that is RPM related (more tensile rather than compressive)?  I really value this forum for the wealth of experience so please forgive me if I offend, that's not my intent.  I truly want to learn and you folks have been there.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Is HP or RPM the greater limit to OEM part life
« on: February 23, 2015, 09:16:14 AM »
Good point on headroom and the rear gear. That also brings to mind that modern cars have more transmission gears besides the electronics. 

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Is HP or RPM the greater limit to OEM part life
« on: February 23, 2015, 01:22:36 AM »
Pardon my mistake. I did, in fact mean 50% increase at 8 psi boost. Sorry for the confusion. - Garrett

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FE Technical Forum / Is HP or RPM the greater limit to OEM part life
« on: February 22, 2015, 07:19:57 PM »
Having read through Blair's "dueling 390's" posts, I'm intrigued by the high degree of OEM parts used for such stout builds.  I assume both of these engines would be very reliable street engines if kept below some threshold RPM.  That brings me to the subject question: given the relatively high horsepower of these builds using OEM block, crank, rods, and lifters, is it more the power or the RPM that limits the life of the OEM parts? 

The reason I ask is that I'm planning on supercharging a similar build (in parts only, not in skill!), not for racing but for purely street use in a '63 Galaxie with a C6 tranny and 3.00 gears.  Why go to the expense of supercharging without assembling a forged rotating assembly in a cross-bolted block of large displacement?  My answer is twofold: 1) cost, and 2) I'm not (yet) convinced it is necessary.  Regarding 1): adding a supercharger and heads is more cost effective for me (I work for Whipple Superchargers) than the cost of a new block alone.  Regarding 2): Whipple's bread and butter is supercharging bone stock modern muscle cars/trucks/SUV's (intercooled with ~8 psi boost for a 150% power increase), most of which do not have forged rotating assemblies, and we see nothing less than OEM reliability numbers.  I realize the FE is not a modern engine but I'll be going port injected and distributorless so I should be able to control AFR and timing to within safe limits.   

Using Blair's BBM-headed 390 build and Whipple's standard formula, I'd expect to see about 500 RWHP (my goal) at 4400 RPM.  That seems like a winner combo to me in terms of power and reliability for my street application.  Now all you folks with the real experience, please feel free to shred me to bits. - Garrett

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Spill the beans Jay
« on: December 30, 2014, 09:02:39 AM »
Thanks, Jay.  It was a long but worthwhile read!

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Spill the beans Jay
« on: December 29, 2014, 06:07:09 PM »
Jay - Have you ever detailed out your distributorless ignition setup on the forum?  If not, I'd be interested to learn how you did it before and what you plan to change for this new mule.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Land Speed Project
« on: November 04, 2014, 03:26:19 PM »
I'd be interested in doing some CAD work for a manifold to land a Whipple supercharger (or 2) on the SOHC.  I'd just need a CAD model of a SOHC manifold to work with if Jim Dove has one.  I may be able to talk Art Whipple into some form of support since the "cammer" is admittedly his favorite engine!

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Sorry to hear about your bad luck! Thanks for sharing your education with us, Jay.  I can't wait to read your upcoming posts to learn what happened. 

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Roots supercharging a Ford FE?
« on: August 30, 2014, 10:59:12 PM »
He should have named it "snail bait".

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Roots supercharging a Ford FE?
« on: August 30, 2014, 11:55:12 AM »
It's more flow restriction on the air side.  On the whole, you stand to gain more in terms of power, efficiency, and drivability from the individual cylinder control of port injection than the loss from air flow restriction.  That's on a boosted engine, of course.  I wouldn't presume that to be the case on NA engines.  That said, I have seen plenty of secondary "shower head" injectors on motorcycle engines.  Those are in the air flow path and could be considered a restriction. 

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Roots supercharging a Ford FE?
« on: August 30, 2014, 10:08:19 AM »
Yes, they are called radial entry rather than axial.  There are also rear feed and front feed.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Roots supercharging a Ford FE?
« on: August 29, 2014, 11:33:29 PM »
It must be an optical illusion.  The injectors on that manifold point right at the back of the valve stem. The dual injector on is shown in the red CAD image.  It's a lot of fun trying to make it all work!

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Roots supercharging a Ford FE?
« on: August 29, 2014, 08:13:02 PM »
True.  Another option might be placing the injectors inside the manifold but you'd have to open it up like the one in the link below.  I'm toying with the idea of making a port injected 6-71 style manifold for the FE.  Whipple just finished one for the big block Chevy (that's the one in the link) but has no plans to follow suit with Ford.  I've been given the OK to pursue it if I want.

https://whipplesuperchargers.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=223

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