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FE Technical Forum / Sonic check results, need opinions
« on: July 01, 2018, 10:15:23 AM »
In the non-FE forum, you'll see me whining about what really was my inexperience with the tool, combined with some tricks of the trade to make it go easier.

Looking for opinions on what I ended up with

These are all minimum numbers, as any direction and clock position was bigger, so rather than post everything, I am just posting the numbers I think are significant, anything not listed here was .177  to over .200

Looking at drivers side bank, outward edge toward freeze plugs, I found my thinnest cylinders about 1.5 inches from the deck, all on one bank, pass side was significantly better

5 - 0.126  6 - 0.134  7 - 0.118  8 - 0.134

If adjusted for a "worst case" torque plate hone to 4.09 (I mention that because they likely won't need the full .010 to get there).  I would end up at:

5 - 0.121 6 - 0.129  7 - 0.113  8 - 0.129

It gets thicker as you go deeper, the passenger side of the block is thicker, and all dimensions around the block are thicker than those minimums.

Game plan is max 500 hp engine cammed for 5500-ish peak.  Not a racer, in a 4x4 street truck, but planning a 4032 forged piston as tight in the bore as I can with either a 1.0/1.0/2.0 ring pack, or potentially a 1.5/1.5/3.0 and want to make sure bore is stable

Thoughts?  Specifically on the .113 number?  Also, knowing a sonic checker seems to be voodoo on a round cylinder, would you run 10% less than .113 if we added a WAG factor?

Thanks






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So I bought a sonic checker, and was getting to know it on the 445 block because it was the cleanest and on a roll around stand.  Also considering buying Barry's 4.09 pistons if I thought the block had enough life

I had a hard time getting repeatable results with two different types of transducer gel, and ended up using white grease and the smallest diameter transducer, with this combo, I was able to repeat measurements and do them very quickly, so I felt like all was well.

I only did one bank, C6ME block, 4.08, clean and crosshatch showing, came up with a thinnest thrust at .157, thinnest non-thrust at .145, (pin direction on side toward fan).  Better cylinders were slightly above .200 in areas, but all the thrusts made sense to each other best being about .176, and each direction seemed about the same (all on one bank)

The issue I am running into is I cannot get the proper distance between two cylinders at the deck as a check distance.  Mine is .550 measured, which is also spot on for calculation at bore spacing - 1/2 of each bore at 4.08.  However, my sonic test on that deck area check reads .712, and it is repeatable from bore to bore.  Switching back to the 2 types of purpose-made transducer gel did not help me read properly.

I can check my tester against any flat piece and it is spot on, to include calibration block testing and any measurable flat piece of stock I have around.  It concerns me, because if I adjust my sonic checker to make the cylinder to cylinder distance right, then that will indicate a much thinner wall. (as thin as .119 thrust)

Thoughts?  I have not shaped the transducer, but the small one is pretty small, 5/16-ish and doesn't seem to have significant rocking issues, unlike the big one in the kit, similar to the ones most of us have that are closer to 7/16 OD.

Thanks in advance


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Private Classifieds / 410/428 used flex plate - price dropped
« on: June 17, 2018, 10:24:05 AM »
I have a used flex plate for a 410/428.  Teeth look good. 50 plus shipping

If you need to know any identifying marks, let me know

Going on Ebay Sunday




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I have a 31 spline setup I got in a trade, looks to be in good shape, but I have not gone through it.  Sold as is, just trying to sell off duplicate stuff, without adding time or labor


Case is a C7AW-E with a date code of March 17 1968.  Pinion support is standard style, with a D2 date code.  Ford gears, short yoke, 31 spline posi

275.00 plus shipping/insurance from Omaha, and it's heavy.  I also have it on the old side, if multiple people want it, I will go to first replay timing to be fair






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Private Classifieds / WTB 428 block
« on: May 09, 2018, 06:23:53 AM »
Need something that can go .020 or .030, prefer something within driving distance from Omaha, NE.  No special numbers needed, industrial/irrigation OK, just looking for a machinable hyd 428 block.  Post here or PM me, thanks!

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Private Classifieds / Probe 445 pistons/pins and new 3G alternator
« on: April 15, 2018, 09:11:16 AM »
As you guys likely were following, my 445 had some bad machining done (no torque plate) and had some piston slap.  I haven't decided on a plan yet, but I am either going to get a 428 and stroke it to 462, or just fit a set of .040 pistons to by current block with proper machining this time.  Either way, I have a set of Probe Sportsman Racing pistons and pins left over.  Very little mileage and never run hard, looking for 350.00 plus the ride, these were a 550 dollar set of pistons when purchased.  They are 14785 +.030, 17.5 cc reverse dome, 2618 alloy.  A good set of stroker pistons for a 6.7 BBC rod and a 4.25 stroke for about 10:1 compression depending on deck height, head gasket and chamber size.

http://www.coasthigh.com/Ford-445FE-17-5cc-Reverse-Dome-SRS-Pistons-p/14785.htm






Also, I ended up with 2 3G alternator setups.  I have a Taurus 3G, which is the smaller case that is easy to use on an FE, along with a mega fuse holder, a mega fuse (100A), and the field/stator wiring harness to splice in, all new.  This is a new alternator, still in the box. Easily convert your car to a newer high output alternator.  Wiring diagrams all over the web. 80 bucks plus the ride for the new alternator, mega fuse, fuse holder/mounting bracket and harness)


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I am having a tougher time finding voltage regulators that last for over a year or behave nicely, but I would like to keep my dual alternator belts and stock brackets

Does anyone have an easy swap for an FE that can take the dual groove pulley?

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Jay, or whoever else knows AC motors.

I have a relatively high end vacuum cleaner that I am quite certain needs a circuit board after a bound up brush and resulting overheat.  Troubleshooting online and what I see leads me to replace a small circuit board because the thermal switch overheated, but before I spend the money I want to make sure the thermal circuit did it's job and the motor is still good. 

- Motor says its 120V AC on the side of the body
- Control board has two labeled wires, approx 14 gauge going to motor.  Those wires unplug from the board, one is black, one is white
- The black one connects to "Motor L"  and the white one connects to "Motor N", both wires look normal, no burning or melting
- Can I directly connect two wires (all burden of safety on me) into a 120V source?  I'd like to verify the motor runs
- Also I checked continuity on the armature, no continuity from shaft to where the brushes ride, but there is continuity across both sections of the armature

If I can plug those two wires into a surge protector or extension cord and run the motor alone, then I know I won't run the risk of burning another board

FYI - I can see a portion of the board that feeds one leg of the motor circuit that got hot. It's not labelled thermal protection, but it has one feed in and a big heat sink with what looks to be the thermal protection, when I checked continuity in and out of that little ?diode? or whatever it is, it's open. So the evidence of heat and the open circuit on what makes sense as a thermal switch makes me feel good, as well as the wife finding a stuck brush that caused it, I just want to make sure I don't burn an 80 dollar circuit board because the motor shorted when it bound up

Thanks in advance

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FE Technical Forum / So finally fixed my noisy 445!
« on: February 03, 2018, 05:07:53 PM »
Unfortunately it was by replacing it with a 390 LOL

I will dive in to the 445 in the next few weeks, but wanted to let everyone know how the 390 did.  It was a bench build, leftover parts I had, a roach std/std 360 I bought locally, Brent shared a leftover cam he had, and I went real low budget.

Now:  390 cid, cast 4V piston, .004 below, for 9.45:1.  square decked, line honed, 427 cast crank at .010/.010, CJ big bolt rods resized and mag'd, C8AE-H heads, unported, new guides, cheap Elgin stock valves with back cut and decent multi-angle valve job, Alex's springs, Viton seals, HMV-272 cam, on 109 ICL, headers, unmodified Streemaster and a 750 3310 with a 4 hole 1 inch spacer.

Of course it was a heavily ported solid lifter, 10:1 445, custom cam, Ersons, ported RPM, 1000 Holley, etc. etc etc etc

Is it slower?   OMFG it is WAYYYY slower LOL    NP435, 3.50s, 2nd gear used to light them up, now chirps a little and pulls hard to 5000, 3rd used to break loose and pull hard to stupid speeds, now it just sort of goes faster....4th is sorta snoozy now where before it would scare you in the 4x4 and 4 inch lift very quickly

That being said, it is a very nice combo, and I had a blast just cruising around today, all you hear is a little header noise at acceleration, all the growl behind you, and no more of the noise.  Now I can get to dialing in the rest of the truck to where it used to be

For those following over the years  :o :o :o, the 445 had been apart more than you'd expect and unlike any job I have done before, I ended up starting to just swap parts.  Anyone who gets paid to do this work knows how much of an insult it is to say you are blindly swapping parts, but I got there with the blessed 445 LOL

The only thing I haven't checked or replaced is that I never zyglo'd the Probe pistons, but from day one it has always made this noise and did so with different block, valvetrain and all kinds of different components.  My hunch is I will find a cracked piston at a pin boss, but I hadn't seen anything using just my eyeball in the past.  I won't assemble this 445 again until I definitively find the noise though!!!

This little 390 is sure a sweetheart, going to be hard to get me to pull it back out, but another 200 hp will eventually be welcome again, once I figure out what next with the 445

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FE Technical Forum / 1971 360 2 barrel core measurements
« on: October 29, 2017, 12:58:41 PM »
I posted this on the old forum too so repeat for some guys

Took apart a 1971 360 truck core, never been opened before, stock bearings, seals, and not very many miles. The engine has a 2 barrel intake, C8AE-H head, and 3904V pistons on 360 rods and crank, as delivered by Ford to many truck owners.

I did some measuring and came up with the following

Stock 360 deck clearance - .094
Stock 360 compressed head gasket thickness - .035
Total quench distance - .129

When you combine that with a 72 cc head, 10 cc pistons and 3.5 stroke you get 7.70:1 static compression (and doesn't break 8:1 even with a 68 cc head)

When you combine that with a 256 degree intake lobe, on 112.5 ICL, you get a DCR of 6.34:1

Add that to the two barrel intake, slow ignition curve, bad exhaust manifolds, and low lift cam with poorly flowing stock heads, I am amazed they ran as well as they did! LOL.

It really amazes me, understand what Ford was doing, like everyone, just building reliable work trucks, but a set of nicer exhaust manifolds, a piston that reached the deck and even got to 8.5 or 9:1, and those trucks would have been transformed

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I am building a mild 390, nothing too fancy, but would like to put a set of CJ valves in the C8AE-H heads. normally a big old nothing-burger, but I am running stock pistons in this mild one

Has anyone ever used a 2.09/1.66 combo with the factory 390 4V pistons?  These are the cast 4 valve relief with no dish like the ones below and marked 390 4V in the pin area.  Example below, but not mine, found on the net. 



Specifically concerned with radial valve clearance going from a 2.03 to a 2.09, not a lot of difference, the exhaust should have plenty of room but the intake side looks pretty tight and I need to make the decision before assembly.


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Private Classifieds / Custom 390 +.030 pistons (pic heavy)
« on: September 16, 2017, 12:44:31 PM »
I have a set of custom Diamond pistons for sale, they were run for a very short time after a friend bought the wrong compression height, he assembled with 6.49 rods and then realized the error. These were over 1000 dollars with wrist pins when he bought them with the custom upcharges.

I am selling them without wrist pins for 375 plus shipping from Omaha and insurance.  Wrist pins are a common size and length and can be had from Diamond or Ross for under150 bucks. 

They are beauties, and I planned to build a 396 out of them, but I just don't have time the USAF has me running so hard, even side work is being pushed out :)

Here is what they are, 1.73 CH 4.08 bore, 3.2 cc valve reliefs.  Starting with a 352 or 360, these pistons let you use the 352/360 rod and 390 crank for zero deck at 10.160 deck height. 

- with a 72 cc head and a .041 gasket, at 10.160 - 10.3:1 SCR
- at .005 below deck same gasket -  10.22:1 SCR
- zero deck and a Felpro 8554 -  10.13:1 SCR

A real handy combo for a 352/360 guy who wants a 396.  They have metric rings which will bring a bit more power, coated skirts (although some slight wear on the coating, see pics) 

Check out the pics and specs below.  Just to be 100% clear, you will have to buy pins and rings, bore to 4.08 and use your 352/360 connecting rods and a 390/427 (3.78 stroke) crank. I highly recommend a balance job too as this is a very light rotating assembly

Please post questions here or email me.  I will update if sold or pending
















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FE Technical Forum / Question about overbalancing
« on: June 18, 2017, 08:08:26 AM »
To the guys with some time on a balancer

Assuming a crank/balancer/flywheel that was balanced with a heavier combo, when would lightening things up be too much to keep your existing balance? 

Keep in mind I am not asking about my combo, this is academic... I am rebalancing, but I was playing with numbers and it's a significant difference.  I know balancing is as much art as science, and higher RPM builders often overbalance using a slightly heavier bobweight, but when is overbalancing too much?

Using a 50% balance factor for reciprocating weight,, a $ 427 crank, factory rods and old TRW pistons, we came up with a bob weight for my 427 of 2340 according to my notes.

I am building a little long rod 396 using the same crank, etc, but the combo is a lot lighter with Diamond 4.08 pistons, and with the same 50% factor comes up to a bob weight of 2190 grams, or 150 grams difference

That would equate to about a 56% recip weight balance factor.  Thoughts?

Thoughts?

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My 445 has a noise, and has had a noise for a long time.  It won't blow up, it's been apart twice since the original build for the noise, and I have found nothing.  The only thing I haven't done is Zyglo the pistons.  Heads magged, multiple cams, multiple rocker sets, multiple valve covers, clearanced the timing chain, multiple fuel pumps, nothing hitting down below, with or without PS, even reblocked to have tighter clearances because I originally built it loose, new balancer, clutch, flywheel, you name it. 

In the video below starting at 25 seconds, you hear a tapping that sounds like a loose valve, it's much worse when cold.  After all of this, my hunch is I have a bad piston, but I did not see anything on multiple inspections and it is silent at idle.

First request, listed to the video until you hear the minor tapping between 25 and 30 second point. Many people say they can't hear it, and it is tough, but once you tune into it, it sounds like valvetrain, although everything has been gone through multiple times.

After you hear it, generate ideas.  FWIW, I have been in pure parts replacement mode for over a year, the absolute only engine I have ever been in this situation.  The only things not magged or replaced are the pistons and rods, but my eyeball couldn't see or measure anything.  The crank was magged and checked.  All new parts,and it has made the noise since the original build without change

Thoughts, prayers?   :o Been doing this a long time and haven't ever ran into one like this.

About ready to put the spare 390, or maybe buy an LS off Craigslist LOL

https://youtu.be/VlHIl9hafYA

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I need to replace the booster on my F100, its a, 8.75 inch diameter single diaphragm.  I was considering using one of the aftermarket dual diaphragm 7 or 8 inch models to gain a little valve cover room and get a little more stopping power.

Has anyone tried them, any downside?  Will a dual 7 or 8 push harder than a rebuilt original you think?  I assume you need to use a GM master cyl, but I can't see any other downside.

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