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Non-FE Discussion Forum / Morel hyd. roller lifter questions
« on: February 05, 2021, 01:33:42 PM »
I recently bought a 347 SBF engine, that a friend had built, then "went in a different direction", and I bought it for less than 50 cents on the dollar. It has a Dart block and a Lunati hyd. roller cam with a Jesel belt drive and shaft rockers, seems like overkill with a hyd. roller, but thats what he wanted. Anyhow, it has Morel "Hi Rev" hydraulic roller lifters,PN 5879, and the instructions say to use oil no heavier than 5-40, I had planned on using 10-30 Brad Penn oil, has anybody had issues using these lifters with 10-30 oil, and if so, what was the problem? Also, are these a short travel lifter, or do they need 1/2-3/4 turn of preload? Frankly, I would have used a solid if I was building the engine myself, (and more compression),but as it is, even with the smaller hyd. roller cam, it made 40 HP on the dyno than my old 331 did, and was still pulling above 7000 RPM, so  I may as well try whats already there, since it is all new except for a few dyno pulls. Also, my old 331 had AFR 185 heads, the new one has AFR 185s as well, but these heads say "Renegade" on them. Anybody know what makes a Renegade any different than my old heads?

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Non-FE Discussion Forum / 2 post lift recommendations
« on: January 12, 2021, 12:01:28 PM »
I want to buy a 2 post hoist for my garage, just wondering is any of use guys have had any good (or bad) experiences with hobbyist priced lifts. When I was working at the dealerships, the Rotary brands were great, but a commercial grade lift is more $$$  than I am looking to spend. A few brands that I have been looking at, have been Forward, Atlas, Challenger, and Peak. Since the ceiling in my garage is 11 feet, it would appear that I will be limited to a "floor plate" model with the cables running under a steel cover plate, above the floor. I would prefer a "clear floor" model with no covers on the floor, but most seem to require at least a 12 foot ceiling, and I would like to not deal with modifying my ceiling. Looking for something in the 8-9,000 pound range, and hopefully under $3000. Any thoughts?

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FE Technical Forum / Iron adjustable rocker breakage
« on: September 09, 2020, 11:43:59 AM »
Upfront, I want to state that I am not a "pro" engine builder, but I have been building and racing my own FEs since the mid 70s, and have never been very concerned about pushrod length, since the rocker arm geometry is pretty much fixed by design of the FEs rocker arm stands height, so as long as the pushrod was long enough to span the distance between the lifter and the rocker adjusting screws, I figured that was "good enough". I have used nothing but factory cast iron heads, and flat tappet cams, and even with pretty agressive flat tappet solid cams, well over .650" lift, 7000 RPM shifts, and the valve springs needed to work with them, I never had any issues with rocker or pushrod life, although I did have periodic shaft breakage, before I started using end supports , actually mostly the Oregon Cam rocker support system , since the early 80s. Over the past several years, many here, and on other FE groups, said that the rocker screws should have no more than 2 or 3 threads showing below the bottom of the rocker arm body. So, when I put the mild 428 CJ together for my 59, I was somewhat concerned that with the standard length ball & cup pushrods that I have been using for decades on various FEs , would require the adjusting screws on my factory iron adjustable rockers to be cranked down so far that only a couple of threads would be above the rocker body. So for the initial cam break in and dyno pulls, I installed my Erson roller rockers, as they fit with the rocker screws about 1/2 way, and I had been driving the first 500 miles with the Ersons, although since the cam in this 428 is a mild solid flat tappet (.518" lift, 228 @ .050 dur), I wanted to put the iron rockers on. I ordered a set of custom pushrods from Smith Brothers, that are 9.450", which is .100" longer than what I had with the Ersons, and installed the iron rockers on new shafts and another Oregon Cam support assembly. Put it all together, the adjusting screws had the supposed ideal 2 threads showing below the rocker bodies, and took it for a drive. Ran great, and seemed noticeably quieter that the aluminum Ersons, so I decided to head out for a local cruise night. About 10 miles from home, all of a sudden, there was a louding ticking noise, and it started running a bit rough, so I turned around, and headed for home. As I drove , it started getting louder, and started backfiring thru the carb,  & running very jerky, about 2 miles from home, it got so bad I couldn`t make it up a moderate hill, so pulled over, and had my wife tow me home with my truck and a tow strap. I pulled the valve covers, and found 4 broken rocker arms, 3 exhaust. 1 intake, all were split at the threaded section, and all still had the adjusting screws threaded into the broken pieces. Also I found 2 bent pushrods on the adjacent rocker for cylinder # 3 & 7. I replaced all the rockers , with another set of iron rockers, retaining the same Oregon Cam supports, and reinstalled the 9.350" Comp pushrods. I had to crank the adjusting screws almost all the way down, and since, I have driven the car another 300 miles, including a few 5500 RPM blasts thru the gears. (When the other rockers broke, I had yet to go over 3000 RPM). So did having the longer pushrods cause this, or did I possibly have 1 fluke rocker break, and the resulting cylinder pressure from the exhaust unable to escape, cross thru the intake manifold, and somehow cause the other rockers to fail? All I know at this point is, the shorter "wrong" pushrods seem to be working fine, with the rocker screws cranked way down, and the more ideal length pushrods gave me grief. Any thoughts? The only time I ever had a iron rocker break before, was when a connecting rod broke, and the piston whacked the head hard enough to bend a valve.

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FE Technical Forum / Ribbed skirt FE block timeline?
« on: February 15, 2020, 01:32:11 AM »
Anybody know when Ford started putting the vertical ribs on the side of FE blocks? I know the original 360 that I pulled out of my 74 F350 had them, as does the 74 428 CJ "service" short block that I have had for over 30 years. But the service 427 side oiler hydraulic lifter block from my Fairmont does not have these ribs. The 427 block casting date is 0A17, so I am guessing the ribs started to appear sometime between early 1970 and 1974, but just curious if somebody could narrow the time period a little.

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Non-FE Discussion Forum / FEs in the Finals at 2020 Winternationals.
« on: February 13, 2020, 02:53:07 AM »
Not sure how many of you guys follow NHRA National events, but at last weeks Winternationals race in Pomona California, there were 2 FE powered cars in the final rounds on Sunday. Robert Pond lost a close heads up AA/SA race in his 64 Fairlane Thunderbolt 427 Hi Riser clone, to a 69 Camaro, but Gary Ericksen turned on the win light in the final round with his FE powered Ford Probe in the Super Street class. I have known Gary for over 40 years, and he is as hardcore of a FE guy as any of us. He built the Probe himself, and on the hood, it has "Merc FE" proudly lettered on it. Super Street is a 10.90 index class, with a minimum weight of 2800 pounds, but it has gone 9.20s "off the throttle stop". For about 35 years before he built his Probe, he ran the same S/ST class with his FE powered (Really!!) Chevy Vega station wagon, he also still has the 69 428 CJ Mustang that he bought brand new, and has been a race car for as long as I have known him. He also owns a 69 Torino Talladega. In the winners circle photos, Gary is wearing his fire jacket, with "FE" embroidered on the front. Congrats Gary!

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Non-FE Discussion Forum / BC BD carb values
« on: October 08, 2019, 06:24:03 PM »
I have 2 pairs of C5AF Holley carbs that I plan on selling soon, but unsure about their values. All 4 carbs are considered to be cores, not seized up or broken, but all have been sitting many years. One pair is C5AF-9510-BC & BD, dated 592, so likely from a 66 Fairlane R code car, the other pair are both stamped C5AF-9510-BD, with date code 373, so most likely were bought over the counter in the early 70s. I imagine the 592 date cars should be more valuable, since they have date codes for an early 66 Fairlane, rather than the 1973 dates of the 2nd set. I finally realized that I will probably never own a real 427 car that these carbs would belong on, so I figure I should sell them to somebody that can make good use of them, and use the $$$ to buy parts I am more likely to make use of.

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FE Technical Forum / Odd rocker arm wear (DOVE Hi Riser)
« on: May 05, 2019, 10:25:57 AM »
Yesterday I went to check out a buddys complaint of noise from his 64 TBolt clones 427 Hi Riser engine. It has a moderate Bullet solid flat tappet cam , specs call for .018" lash, a quick check revealed several at well over .035", so I went ahead and reset them all, but I was suprised at how much slop was in the rockers, where they fit onto the shafts. You could noticeably twist the rocker arms on the shafts, as if the holes in the rocker arms was either severely oversized or possibly egg shaped. This engine has only seen limited street use, and he has reciepts for the rocker setup being new when the engine was assembled. The rocker setup is a Dove/ Comp Cams package, with the end supports that bolt down into special head bolts, similar to what my 427 has. My rocker arms are blue, with no logo, and really small Allen head adjusting screws, these ones have the Comp Cams logo, and have larger Allen head sizes, later design maybe? My rocker arms fit nicely onto the shafts, over 1/2 of his are very loose and sloppy. Suprisedly, I found no signs of aluminum shavings or debris in the bottom of the heads, I recommended to him cut his oil filter apart and inspect it for debris inside. Has anybody else had similar issues with Dove rocker arms? I know that the Hi Riser rocker stands are shorter than other FE engines, but are the rockers themselves any different? Do Doves use the standard shaft dimensions as factory Ford stuff? I told him if it was me, I would keep the Dove support setup, and replace the rockers with OE Ford, Isky or Crane iron rocker arms, but I am not sure if those would be compatible with the Dove shafts, and Hi Riser heads, as I have no previous experiance with Hi Riser stuff. I was kinda suprised that despite the sloppy rocker arms, the engine still had 75-80 psi of oil pressure cruising at 2500 RPM. Other than hi $$$$ TRD or Jessel stuff, what other rocker setups are available for the Hi Riser heads?

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Private Classifieds / 2 Jerico DR4s for sale
« on: March 25, 2019, 12:44:36 AM »
I have my Jerico DR4s for sale. One is the one from my Fairmont with the FE, the other from my FOX Mustang Stock Eliminator race car, so it has a longer input shaft (T5 length input.) . I also have an extra T5 length input shaft for the FE trans. Both transmissions have 1 3/16"x18 MoPar Hemi spline inputs, with 3.19 low gear. Each has a Long VGate shifter included, with the shifter lever located 22 inches from the front of the case. Both units used but working great. 3  hours North of Seattle WA.         Can send photos, $2000. each with shifter.

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Well, I`m coming! I booked my flight and car rental (requested a Ford, hope I get one!). Now I`m looking at hotel/motel rooms. Seems like my closest choices are either Lewistown or Selinsgrove, how close are either to the track, any other towns to consider? Any recommendations or warnings? I am flying to Philidelphia on Tues April 24th, any suggestions of cool car related stuff between there and Lewistown or Selinsgrove? I have not booked a room yet, so I am free to do touristy stuff for a day or 2 on the way to the FE Re-union. Thanks, really looking foreward to this!

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Well I have the holiday time from work booked off from April 20th thru May 6th, so I am trying to make plans to attend the FE Reunion at Beaver Springs Dragstrip. Although I would love to either haul my Fairmont, or drive my 59 to the event, that is not realistic, at least for this years event. I live near Vancouver BC Canada, which according to a travel site, is "only" 2826 miles ONE WAY, or about 50 hours driving, each way. So I would be looking at taking a flight from either Vancouver or Seattle Wa, I am curious which Pa airport would be the best to arrive at. It looks like both the Williamsport and Harrisburg airports are about 50 miles from Beaver Springs, but not sure how large these airports are, or if maybe flying into Pittsburgh, which I assume is a major airport, and renting a car, to make the drive to Beaver Springs, which looks like a bit under 200 miles. Any thoughts?  I have even looked at flying to Toronto Ontario, and renting a car, but that looks like about 7 1/2 hour drive each way. How about hotels/motels near the track? Since I will have a few days available before and after the races, any ideas for points of interest? Anybody know how far Detroit or Dearborn are from Pittsburg? I have always wanted to visit the Henry Ford Museum, and take a tour of the Ford assembly line, if they still offer them. How far is Beaver Springs from Altoona , or the G Force transmission shop?  Any other cool Ford or drag racing related things I should consider? If my wife decided to come with me, how far from the Amish area, or other historical locations in central PA? Lots of details to look into in the next month and a half.

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FE Technical Forum / FE Powered Dragsters
« on: January 29, 2018, 07:09:08 PM »
I thought that I would post a couple of photos that I took in the early 70s of dragsters at Mission Raceway, with FE power. I only saw these cars this one time, so I have no idea where they were from, but I imagine most likely the Pacific Northwest. Anybody ever seen these cars before? I also have a shot of a front engine drgaster with a stack injected 427 SOHC, but since it would need to be scanned, thats beyond my limited skills. Since I was a teenager with a cheap Kodak Brownie camera about 45 years ago, the photo quality is hardly magazine quality!

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FE Technical Forum / Weighed my 428 today, kinda interesting.
« on: August 04, 2017, 01:17:17 AM »
I don`t know how many of you guys have ever actually weighed a FE engine, but after years of hearing wildy different opinions, today I actually found out first hand. For some time, I had been looking for an affordable crane or hoist scale, that operates under tension, so I can put it between my engine hoist and carb lift plate. A scale like those used on the tuna fishing shows would be ideal, but way more money than I was prepared to spend. A couple of months ago, a local tool supply store had some similar crane scales on sale for about 50 bucks, so I bought one. This particular scale has a max weight rating of 660 pounds, but I thought for the price, I would take a chance. Anyhow, today was finally the time to remove my "mock up" 390, and install the 428 CJ I recently rebuilt and dynoed 2 months ago.For the first weigh in, the engine was complete, less arb, headers, and clutch assembly. The engine is a basically stock, standard bore 428 Service short block I bought over 30 years ago, with stock iron C8OE-N CJ heads, some weigh was saved with an Edelbrock Performer RPM intake and aluminum water pump. It also has a 7 quart Canton oil pan, and windage tray, both heavier than stock stuff, and still had the break in oil in it, and whatever water remained in the engine after the dyno session. Anyhow, in that configuration, the engine weighed in at 546 pounds, a bit lighter than I expected. Next I added the new steel 30 lb steel McLeod flywheel, 11" Long style McLeod clutch assembly, cast iron bellhousing, clutch fork and TO bearing, and motor mounts, & weighed it again. Now it weighed in at 633 pounds. Since I was now less than 30 lbs from the scales maximum capacity, I didn`t dare weigh it again once I bolted up the iron Toploader 4 speed, but at least I now know what a dressed FE weighs. I would have to think that a factory iron block FE with aluminum heads would hover around 500 pounds, maybe a touch less , maybe 450 with an aluminum block.

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FE Technical Forum / Stainless header bolts?
« on: August 03, 2017, 01:02:45 PM »
For decades I have always used regular old Mr. Gasket, and more recently, ARP black steel header bolts, never had any issues with them. However, my FPA headers came with a set of shiny stainless steel header bolts, but I am wondering if I should use them. I have heard some people say that stainless steel bolts tend to gall up and seize , especially in high heat applications. Any body know if thats true or an old wives tale? I`d hate to find out the hard way! This is with factory cast iron heads, if that makes a differance. Thanks.

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FE Engine Dyno Results / Near stock 428 CJ
« on: May 07, 2017, 09:20:16 PM »
Last week we dynoed the 428 Cobra Jet engine I will be installing into my 1959 Meteor (Canadian Ford) 2 door sedan, replacing the original but very tired 332 2 barrel FE and 2 speed FordOMatic. This was a real low buck build, based on a 1974 428 CJ Service short block I bought over 30 years ago.
The block is still standard bore, and retains the cast  `428 Super`marked pistons, on the original C7AE-B big bolt rods, and the original 1UB crank. The block was just jet washed, align honed, surfaced .002, and honed. Basic cast rings installed on the cleaned up rods.Heads are a pair of dead stock C8OE-N iron CJ heads I bought in 1975 (for $175.00), with just a basic valve job on the factory valves. Only changes are a very mild Oregon Cam solid flat tappet cam (.518" lift, 228 duration at .050, lobe sep 114, Int lobe centerline 110, exhaust centerline 118, .025 valve lash. Did not degree, just lined up the dots. Intake manifold is an untoughed Edelbrock Performer RPM, with a Holley 750, distributor a stock truck Duraspark, connected to the dyno (Super Flow 901). Used a pair of rusty, dented up 6114 Hooker headers. In reality, the main reason for the dyno session was to do the cam and lifter break in, install the innser valve springs, and ensure there were no leaks or other concerns. All went well.We didnt really do any HP tuning , just wanted to see whatI had.  I am not really very dyno literate, but after the break in period, the dyno would not load down properly, my buddy at first suspected a clogged water inlet filter, which was fine, so he couldnt really get any really low RPM data. (The day after he found the problem, something to do with a stepper motor valve had slipped on the shaft for the water brake) Anyhow, after cam break in, we made a few pulls, starting at 3600 RPM, as the dyno would run away with the valve issue at lower RPM. I was hoping for somewhere between 350 to 400 HP, ended up with 382 HP at 4600 RPM, stayed over 370 HP until 5300, still had 362 at 5600 RPM, so hardly a peaky beast. Even more happy with the Torque, at 3600 RPM it had 462 ft/lbs, peaked at 465 at 4000, and stayed above 400 until 5000 RPM, so it should haul the fairly heavy 59 around pretty nicely. It idled down to 600 RPM quite nicely. Oil pressure was a bit higher than I expected, 65 psi at hot idle, stayed steady at 85 psi hot during the pulls. The high pressure may drop a bit in the car, I will be running Brad Penn 10-30, the break in oil was Joe Gibbs BR 15-50, all I could find locally.
For those thinking the numbers are weak, keep in mind that this is the same dyno that had my Fairmonts  428 at 518 HP (ran 10.03ET at 132 MPH,at 3100 pounds), my 427 at under 550 HP (ran 9.97ET at 132 MPH), and my flat tappet pump gas 331 SB Ford at 485HP (ran 10.28 at 128 MPH in my 85 Mustang, at 3050 pounds). All 3 of these engines ran pretty much exactly what my trusty Moroso Power Speed Calculator  predicited they should at those weights.
Plugging the 382 HP 428 into the calculator (at 3800 pounds), says the 59 SHOULD be able to run 109 MPH in the 1/4 mile, and in a well setup chassis be capable of cracking the 11.9s. Since this will be a mildly geared, far from optimal chassis setup street cruiser, I will be happy if I can get into the 12.80s at 106 or so MPH, which is pretty close what my very similar mild 428 CJ ran in my 70 Mach 1 in the mid 80s (actually ran a best of 12.52 at 109 MPH). Both cars with 4 speeds, a 2.32 low close ratio in the Mustang, 2.78 low gear wide ratio for the 59. Of course, dynos, calculators and wishing are just guidelines until the rubber hits the road, hope to have the 59 ready for the road by late summer, see what it really runs then.

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FE Technical Forum / FelPro 8554 PT head gaskets
« on: April 16, 2017, 02:09:50 PM »
Just wondering if anybody has had any issues using the regular FelPro 8554PT head gaskets on a mild build. I am putting together a nearly stock 428CJ I have had kicking around for 30 years. It is still std. bore, with the original "428 Super" cast pistons, and stock iron CJ heads. This engine will be going in my 59 Ford 2 door sedan with a Toploader  4 speed, mainly a weekend driver, will see the occasional 1/4 pass. I normally use the FelPro 1020 gaskets, but since I have several sets of the 8554s, I would kinda like to use some, plus since they are a bit thicker than the 1020s, hopefully with help with pump gas use. Any thoughts?
Also, are you guys with nearly stock 428 CJs getting by OK with modern pump gas? Up here we can still get Chevron 94 with no Ethanol added.

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