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FE Power Forums => Non-FE Discussion Forum => Topic started by: Hemi Joel on November 29, 2018, 10:11:33 PM
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So I'm one of the only people on earth who is interested in parts for the 1910 Maytag car. Because I have one, and when you have a collector car, you have to hoard parts for it right? And when you are talking about a car where probably less than 15 or 20 remain on the planet, that is especially true. Someone on the H.A.M.B. messaged me about a fellow who was supposed to have a pair of 1910 Maytag parts cars. Perhaps the only ones in existence. So I followed up on the lead, and talked to the guy, and yes, that's what he has. He sent pictures, I agreed to buy them, and started planning my trip to Montana to pick them up. So me and this fellow spent a while on the phone, talking about cars. He tells me he has a 64 Comet 427 cammer. Of course I mentioned Jay. And it ends up that this guy is FE Power member Leny Mason! Haha, small; world indeed. I'm really looking forward to meeting you, Leny!
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That’s pretty darn cool.
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Leny sometimes scares me! I've got to stop by Leny's place sometime on my way east.
Also Eric Wengen from Elizabeth Colorado is back on HAMB with a 39 Willy's build with a 427 SOHC engine.
Richard >>> FERoadster
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How cool is that? ;D
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Hmmm,... a cammer in a Maytag. Mr. Toads wild ride.
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For you Joel.....This is believable.Good to see these things
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That's a beautiful car! I had a 1927 Franklin, air cooled engine, but it wasn't nearly as nice as that Maytag
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Nice car but.....does it have a wash/dry cycle button? ???
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When I first brought it home, the first thing my bride said was "where do I put the clothes in?"
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Nice car but.....does it have a wash/dry cycle button? ???
No...But it does have a "delicate" cycle so you can do your undies :)
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So I'm one of the only people on earth who is interested in parts for the 1910 Maytag car. Because I have one, and when you have a collector car, you have to hoard parts for it right? And when you are talking about a car where probably less than 15 or 20 remain on the planet, that is especially true. Someone on the H.A.M.B. messaged me about a fellow who was supposed to have a pair of 1910 Maytag parts cars. Perhaps the only ones in existence. So I followed up on the lead, and talked to the guy, and yes, that's what he has. He sent pictures, I agreed to buy them, and started planning my trip to Montana to pick them up. So me and this fellow spent a while on the phone, talking about cars. He tells me he has a 64 Comet 427 cammer. Of course I mentioned Jay. And it ends up that this guy is FE Power member Leny Mason! Haha, small; world indeed. I'm really looking forward to meeting you, Leny!
Interesting how many old car companies there were back then. Many squashed by the Big 3.
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He was telling me that the same engine was used in the cars as the washing machines. Interesting how many old car companies there were back then. Many squashed by the Big 3.
Actually, the car engine and the washing machine engines had nothing to do with each other. Maytag did not introduce a gasoline powered washer until 1914.
The car and its engine were designed and a prototype built by Fred Duesenberg in 1904-1905. The engine was a 5" bore x 5" stroke 2 cylinder, overhead valve, horizontally opposed, making about 25 horsepower. It had a cast aluminum crankcase, cast iron pistons, and cast iron cylinders with integral heads, and probably weighs 300+ pounds. Not too practical for a wash machine!
When Duesenberg first designed the car, with a dream of going into production, he named it the Marvel. But to get money for a factory and startup, he sold a 2/3 interest to Ed Mason, which was enough $ to get into production. Thus, the car name was changed from Marvel to Mason. In 1909, Mason sold out to Fred Maytag, who moved the factory from Des Moines to Waterloo, Iowa; reorganized the company to Maytag Mason Motor Company; and began badging the cars as Maytags.
Maytag had made his fortune in farm equipment manufacturing, and the car business and the washing machines (and also a railroad) were attempts to diversify, smoothing out the seasonal ups and downs of the farm stuff. He lost $ on Mason/Maytag, and sold out within a year. The Maytag name was removed, so the cars were called Masons again.
When it became obvious that Duesenbergs beloved little 2 banger was obsolete (at least from a marketing perspective) Fred designed an awesome, powerful, lightweight 4 cylinder engine to update the cars. When the bean counters said "NO" and went with a cheaper engine from an outside vendor, Fred and Augie Duesenberg packed up and moved to St. Paul Minnesota, and formed the Duesenberg Motor Company. Their 4 cylinder motor, and its later derivatives, became a phenomenal success on the racetrack, in the air, and on the water, making Duesenberg a household name. http://www.enginehistory.org/members/articles/DuesenbergAircraftEngines.pdf (http://www.enginehistory.org/members/articles/DuesenbergAircraftEngines.pdf)
The engines that Mason Motors purchased and installed in their cars, as well as the rear axles they were purchasing, were largely defective, destroying the once good name of the company, and they went bankrupt.
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Two cylinder motor. Note the roller lifters and roller rockers!
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Two cylinder motor. Note the roller lifters and roller rockers!
Thanks for the history lesson. I edited the post. Was the 25 hp engine also used as a stationery farm or industrial power source?
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Cool thanks Joel, as you said we in the car passion never know when your next best friend will show up, I sent him a picture of my desk then I found out he is a hemi guy but he doesn't have a motor cycle I can't understand that, it will be fun to meet you. Leny Mason
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What a coincidence Leny is the guy.
I'm not sure you need to be a Maytag repairman parts if that first picture is your car.
Leaving the two banger or using a 350/Turbo350/Maverick 8" ? ;)
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Well Joel made it to My house We loaded some of the parts in his trailer, I gave Him all the papers and notes I have taken from the last 30 some years of looking for an engine, I have seen most of the cars that are left and put a lot of miles on My 1953 REO truck looking with my good friend Norb Pepping who has past, We took Joel to some of our out of the way watering holes to eat, He didn't know you can't get to East Helena Montana from there, they lied to him it is a long across Montana, Myrna and I had a great time thanks for coming to our home. Leny Mason
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Lent what is that. Is that gear driven an chain drive to make it a 4 wheel drive
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I know Joel is a pretty good guy,but to capitalize the H in him is a bit much..... :)
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Lent what is that. Is that gear driven an chain drive to make it a 4 wheel drive
Horse drawn manuer spreader ;D but i like the design build a
60s showrod out of it 8)
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I know Joel is a pretty good guy,but to capitalize the H in him is a bit much..... :)
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It is our horse drawn manure spreader ground driven, pretty soon We will get a tractor remember we live in East Helena Montana in the middle of no were. Leny Mason
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Joel Emailed me and said He made it home safe, no his Maytag car has friends. Leny Mason
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That Duesenberg engine history link is fascinating. Great history there.
So since the brothers set up shop in St Paul for a while Joel can say his car is locally made.
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After reading I have decided Joel needs a new Drag Week car, a '10 Maytag with a corporate correct '17 King-Bugatti U-16 engine. Chances are Leny has one of those.
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Dangit this is the best I can do, no Bugatti U-16. Leny Mason
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That could work, those mounts look right for the Maytag!
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It was great to meet Leny and his bride Myrna. They offered great hospitality, and Leny took me around to see really cool stuff Like his blown, Cammer powered 64 Comet hardtop, and the good places to eat. I must have been good luck for Leny too, because he won a jackpot at the breakfast restaurant while I was there.
And the Maytag bones were more/better than I expected.
Thanks Leny!
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Cool Joel, thanks for the pictures We had a great time also, next time We get to see the really cool stuff at your house. Leny Mason