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Title: Looking for a picture showing ideal flow around a valve...
Post by: jayb on May 21, 2020, 04:12:39 PM
Somewhere I saw this picture, and can't remember where.  It showed a valve in a flow bench and you could see the flow of air around the valve.  Could be that there was some smoke or coloring added to the air, or it could have been a wet flow bench picture.  Seems to me I saw this in a book, maybe Power Secrets by Smokey Yunick.  Anybody remember seeing this picture?  I'd really like to have a copy of it.  None of the books I have show that photo...
Title: Re: Looking for a picture showing ideal flow around a valve...
Post by: machoneman on May 21, 2020, 05:36:12 PM
Somewhere I saw this picture, and can't remember where.  It showed a valve in a flow bench and you could see the flow of air around the valve.  Could be that there was some smoke or coloring added to the air, or it could have been a wet flow bench picture.  Seems to me I saw this in a book, maybe Power Secrets by Smokey Yunick.  Anybody remember seeing this picture?  I'd really like to have a copy of it.  None of the books I have show that photo...

Is this it? https://www.enginebuildermag.com/2016/10/flow-bench-testing-is-more-than-cfm-numbers/

If not, click this link and look to the right for a panel with other colored pics of flow: https://www.google.com/search?q=picture+of+flow+bench+and+flow&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS768US768&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjX0frwgcbpAhVSds0KHUdHA5EQ_AUoAXoECAsQAw&biw=1280&bih=689#imgrc=FBCujh02WXH_2M

Title: Re: Looking for a picture showing ideal flow around a valve...
Post by: jayb on May 21, 2020, 05:49:55 PM
Nope, that's not it.  I think it was actually a photograph, maybe in a black and white book although I'm not sure about that.  If I recall correctly it was the valve, all by itself, showing flow straight down the stem and around the head.  The point of the photo was to show how ideal flow around a poppet valve is symmetrical around all sides of the valve.  Thanks anyway, Bob...
Title: Re: Looking for a picture showing ideal flow around a valve...
Post by: WConley on May 21, 2020, 08:33:05 PM
I checked my nerdy engine design references, and found no such picture  :(

A Google Image search of "Ideal Intake Port Flow" brings up a bunch of computational fluid dynamics results that look interesting.  Have a look at this one here:

https://www.caeses.com/blog/2018/intake-port-design/

Title: Re: Looking for a picture showing ideal flow around a valve...
Post by: Royce on May 21, 2020, 09:17:02 PM
Jay, I vaguely remember such a picture.  Maybe one of the David Vizard books?
Title: Re: Looking for a picture showing ideal flow around a valve...
Post by: Barry_R on May 22, 2020, 06:05:53 AM
Look up Darrin Morgan's wet flow research.  Might have what you are looking for
Title: Re: Looking for a picture showing ideal flow around a valve...
Post by: wayne on May 22, 2020, 08:26:46 AM
Port and flow test by David Vizard i dont have my copy to check.
Title: Re: Looking for a picture showing ideal flow around a valve...
Post by: jayb on May 22, 2020, 11:08:10 AM
Port and flow test by David Vizard i dont have my copy to check.

I've got that one, lots of good info there but not the picture I'm looking for...
Title: Re: Looking for a picture showing ideal flow around a valve...
Post by: chilly460 on May 22, 2020, 02:42:26 PM
This?

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/08/e8/49/08e849efcfe729045c49919a4d38b8f6.jpg)
Title: Re: Looking for a picture showing ideal flow around a valve...
Post by: wowens on May 22, 2020, 03:10:01 PM
I don't know it that's it or not but it is cool as hell.
Title: Re: Looking for a picture showing ideal flow around a valve...
Post by: jayb on May 22, 2020, 07:33:05 PM
This?

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/08/e8/49/08e849efcfe729045c49919a4d38b8f6.jpg)

That is IT!  Thanks!
Title: Re: Looking for a picture showing ideal flow around a valve...
Post by: 57 lima bean on May 22, 2020, 09:04:54 PM
I don't know it that's it or not but it is cool as hell.
    Very!    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGDvR-7ughY
Title: Re: Looking for a picture showing ideal flow around a valve...
Post by: Dr Mabuse on May 24, 2020, 04:30:43 AM
That photo has a fairly high resolution - there must be more like it, somewhere.
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Title: Re: Looking for a picture showing ideal flow around a valve...
Post by: KMcCullah on May 24, 2020, 09:15:42 AM
Smokeyvision. Definitely some Jedi level research he did.
Title: Re: Looking for a picture showing ideal flow around a valve...
Post by: 1968galaxie on May 24, 2020, 10:39:29 AM
Smokey did not leave many stones unturned to win. Even 7/8 scale bodies I recall.

The laminar flow machine was something used for airfoil design back in the day.
I wonder if it helped his cylinder head work back then?
There was only so much one could do with the existing heads and manifolds that were used.