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Title: If the Cammer is King, the Boss 9 is the Crown Prince.
Post by: Royce on May 18, 2020, 04:44:51 PM
I hit a wall on Saturday, crappy weather,  setbacks on a couple projects, and overall low energy.  So instead of trying to force myself to work on something while I lacked enthusiasm, I decided to get a bit inspired by throwing some bling on my 460 short block to help me visualize the end point of at least one project.

Oh, by the way..  I am taking applications for a shop cleaner and organizer, as you can see I am in great need of help
Title: Re: If the Cammer is King, the Boss 9 is the Crown Prince.
Post by: cjshaker on May 18, 2020, 05:47:44 PM
There are no better looking engines on the planet than the Cammer and the Boss 9. So what is that destined for?
Title: Re: If the Cammer is King, the Boss 9 is the Crown Prince.
Post by: Royce on May 18, 2020, 07:33:40 PM
It goes in the 57 Merc 2dr wagon race car.. i had some pictures of it but lost them when my hard drive crashed.


Small Bock Ford Cammer...
Title: Re: If the Cammer is King, the Boss 9 is the Crown Prince.
Post by: 57 lima bean on May 18, 2020, 08:30:27 PM
       The "nostalgia" folks weren't happy with the car a while back.This will cause head injuries   
      greater than Dave Chappelle being in the clan.
Title: Re: If the Cammer is King, the Boss 9 is the Crown Prince.
Post by: 57 lima bean on May 18, 2020, 10:01:24 PM
           Glad you got the wagon Royce
Title: Re: If the Cammer is King, the Boss 9 is the Crown Prince.
Post by: cjshaker on May 18, 2020, 10:59:02 PM
       The "nostalgia" folks weren't happy with the car a while back.This will cause head injuries   
      greater than Dave Chappelle being in the clan.

Clayton Bigsby  ;D

That wagon is super cool. Having that engine will just make it over-the-top cool!

So what's the story on the small block cammer? Apparently there's an obvious story that I've never seen before.
Title: Re: If the Cammer is King, the Boss 9 is the Crown Prince.
Post by: Royce on May 19, 2020, 08:44:31 AM
Well the small block "cammer" is a new project.  I decided to dip my toes in the Mod Motor world but take it nostalgia. I got a deal on a 5.4 4 cam and i found a company that makes a single plane carb intake and has some very nice cast valve covers that give it a Hemi/Cammer flavor. I am going to run a conventional distributor, and hopefully it goes into a uni-body short box pickup some day.
Title: Re: If the Cammer is King, the Boss 9 is the Crown Prince.
Post by: mbrunson427 on May 19, 2020, 10:14:41 AM
Well the small block "cammer" is a new project.  I decided to dip my toes in the Mod Motor world but take it nostalgia. I got a deal on a 5.4 4 cam and i found a company that makes a single plane carb intake and has some very nice cast valve covers that give it a Hemi/Cammer flavor. I am going to run a conventional distributor, and hopefully it goes into a uni-body short box pickup some day.

Sullivan? Are they still in business? We did a 5.4 4 valve motor for a friend maybe 10 years ago, had all the sullivan parts on it, he never completed the car. The whole setup is still sitting in his garage. I have thought many times about buying that 5.4 from him.
Title: Re: If the Cammer is King, the Boss 9 is the Crown Prince.
Post by: Royce on May 19, 2020, 03:39:51 PM
Yes  Sullivan is still in the business.
Title: Re: If the Cammer is King, the Boss 9 is the Crown Prince.
Post by: hbstang on May 20, 2020, 09:24:25 AM
very cool wagon!has a serious look to it.tell us more about your boss.
Title: Re: If the Cammer is King, the Boss 9 is the Crown Prince.
Post by: Royce on May 21, 2020, 01:38:17 PM
Actually 57 Lima bean knows the back story on the car. I bought it off Racing junk..  Had a 547 Lima motor in it, C-6, fabbed 9 inch, ladder bars. It had max ported Ebock heads, a big roller cam, a Victor intake, and a Dominator.  I ran it a few times till the damper came apart on a run.. It slammed into the front cover, which broke the timing chain, which wadded up and took a chunk out of the front of the block.  On disassembly I found a broken crank as well.. It was a Scat cast crank. Previous owner claimed he did a 10.50 with it, but I was never able to get in the 10s  best was 11.1.
I went about rebuilding it with a new block and a forged crank and an SFI damper.  Old damper was stock! I put a slightly warmer cam in it and it made 789 horse on R&R's dyno. I made two races with it.. At the Fall Out Drags in Rock Falls Wi. I was up against a 57 Scrub, so I was amped up to crush his ass.. Over revved on the burnout.. On launch I got to 100 ft and it died  Looked under the car no oil.. Engine is locked up..  Got a tow back to the pits.. Guy on the ATV says they want to see you at the starting line. i figured a lecture was coming on something I did wrong or bitching about messing up the lane.  Instead he hands me a double handful of chunks of metal that were ejected from the headers.  Aluminum and steel and cast iron.  It was as catastrophic a failure as you can have without blowing a hole in the block or pan.

I pulled the heads and found:  a broken combustion chamber on both heads. Two cylinder walls destroyed.  One piston completely broken apart and the rod turned into a pretzel.  There was damage on both sides of the motor.. My analysis is that it broke spring on the burnout Then dropped a valve and parts got back up into the intake and into the other cylinders, then when the valve head broke off it destroyed the cylinder wall.  A Repair job on the heads would have exceeded their value so they became test pieces for Jay to study water jacketing when designing his heads.  Car went into deep storage for the last 3 yr. In the mean time I collected a new block and was contemplating what head to buy, and seriously contemplating going FE to get away from these troublesome and obviously weak Lima engines. LOL.. But I have a racing C-6 in the car so thought 1 more time on a 460. About this time I hooked up with Jon Kaase on an Engine Masters effort.  Everyone loves the Boss 9 covers so over the course of a year or so I was picking his brain on his Boss 9 kit and in the end I got the friends and family discount and decided to do a 547 Boss engine.. I wont be on the track this year but hopefully the engine will be on the dyno yet this summer.

Title: Re: If the Cammer is King, the Boss 9 is the Crown Prince.
Post by: jayb on May 21, 2020, 02:37:28 PM
And thanks again, Royce, for those destroyed heads.  I sliced them up and learned a lot...