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FE Power Forums => Non-FE Discussion Forum => Topic started by: Nightmist66 on January 22, 2020, 07:05:38 PM
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Someone already starting to swap in the new 7.3L Godzilla engine:
https://youtu.be/pysUCYz4wlM
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I haven’t caught up on reading past forums yet, so I’m curious about details of your build, 7.3 so in the 450 ci range. What do you run for headers? I just got a set from Arizona, and sent them to jet hot. I assume you’re sticking with the 4speed, what’s your clutch of choice? I’m looking at a Ram.
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Already starting to swap in the new 7.3L Godzilla engine:
https://youtu.be/pysUCYz4wlM
Looks like it would fit easy in any older Ford. Waiting to see if there will be a stand alone for the engine so we can swap in manual transmissions
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I haven’t caught up on reading past forums yet, so I’m curious about details of your build, 7.3 so in the 450 ci range. What do you run for headers? I just got a set from Arizona, and sent them to jet hot. I assume you’re sticking with the 4speed, what’s your clutch of choice? I’m looking at a Ram.
I may not have made it clear, but this is not my video. I am not doing this swap myself. I am sticking with old school for now... If you have any questions about my actual current build, I would be happy to answer. I am keeping the 4 speed btw. I am in the process of upgrading the drivetrain, suspension, etc. front to rear on my Fairlane.
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Well with Brian Wolfe on it , will be great. He is the man for the man who headed the FR9 NASCAR engine, and oversaw development of the factory CJ cars, and many years ago was one of the first 5.0 Mustang racers. I have been told he was involved with the design of the 7.3 before his retirement from Ford. Brian is just super nice, very personable, and a real racer. Those who knew him at Ford, said he was very smart, and a great boss.
I wondered why the 9 cam bearings, that is more a race deal, but a contribution from Brian's racing background IMO.
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New video up this morning: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ML4SlsScnBY They have a dyno motor that made near 600hp on stock bottom end, upgraded hydraulic cam (and I assume springs) and some mild port work, and a big intake. Pretty amazing. They said the heads out of the crate on the motor flow 320 cfm intake side stock.
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There's a '97 F-350 in my barn that I'd like to see one of those in, right now it's a 7mpg 460 gas hog. I hope Ford makes a crate package.
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Looks and sounds like this motor is pretty tough a lot like an LS. The only thing is you aren’t going to be able to pick one up at the bone yard for 500 bucks. Curious to see what a boosted application in a car is going to be.
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Pretty good video. I asked what the width was across the exhaust and valve covers in Evans previous video and they made another video answering that. This is a pretty cool engine and looks like lots of potential.
The LS guys are poo-pooing the 430hp rating. It's a truck engine. Their 8.1 made 330hp.
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There's a '97 F-350 in my barn that I'd like to see one of those in, right now it's a 7mpg 460 gas hog. I hope Ford makes a crate package.
LOL, our 93 F-350 DRW. I just ordered a new 2020 7.3L Crew F-350 DRW 4x2. Hope to have it by March sometime.
>It's a truck engine.
Exactly. over 400 ft/lbs at only 1800 RPM, truck is rated at 16,500 max trailer weight, 21,000 GCVW and not a diesel. There's another video out there of the 7.3L in a 250 SD 4x4. 800 mile trip from Flagstaff to Denver, they averaged right at 15 MPG.
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Teardown of the bottom end:
https://youtu.be/nlK-NW2pILM
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That bottom end is impressive. Six bolt mains on every main. Steel crank. I like it. For a future project, looks like a solid foundation.
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Cam, valvetrain, and oil pump:
https://youtu.be/CJztLbsQ7Y4
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Thing makes power... 2.2mpg isn't that great but it blows the Chevy away.
https://www.tfltruck.com/2020/02/2020-ford-f-250-godzilla-7-3l-v8-gets-maxed-out-on-the-worlds-toughest-test-here-is-how-it-did-video/
If the aftermarket support comes to even 10% of whats available for an LS there should be dual quad intakes and Cobra LeMans valve covers for it and several brands of aftermarket heads and blocks.
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Thing makes power... 2.2mpg isn't that great but it blows the Chevy away.
https://www.tfltruck.com/2020/02/2020-ford-f-250-godzilla-7-3l-v8-gets-maxed-out-on-the-worlds-toughest-test-here-is-how-it-did-video/ds of aftermarket blocks and heads.
If the aftermarket support comes to even 10% of whats available for an LS there should be dual quad intakes and Cobra LeMans valve covers for it and several brands of aftermarket heads and blocks.
Getting an error 404 on the link, Tom.
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Maybe this link: https://www.tfltruck.com/2020/02/behind-the-scenes-see-how-the-2020-ford-7-3l-v8-kills-the-worlds-toughest-towing-test-video/
>Thing makes power... 2.2mpg isn't that great but it blows the Chevy away.
I would expect 5~6 with our 60 sq/ft front 12,000 lb trailer on the back end. About the same as the old F-350, but I'll bet we'll be running at 70 MPH vs 60 MPH, so it'll be way more "efficient". If it gets 14 or better on the highway in Eco Mode without the trailer, I'll be real happy. The 1993 7.5L gets 9~9.3 unloaded, driving 70 / 2200 RPM. We only have one big hill to cross between us and DFW - Ranger hill - and it's up coming back home. It's a 6% grade right now but being re-worked to lengthen and reduce the grade. The old tree-fiddy could make 45 in 2nd coming up the grade. Not bad.
"Ranger Hill is being reconstructed and realigned after having the dubious distinction of being among the steepest hills in the state’s interstate system with a 6 percent grade. A S-curve on the sharp incline compounds the safety issue, especially when the road is wet or icy, Tipton said.
When the dust settles, the straighter stretch of highway will be at a 3.5 percent grade, and the posted speed limit will be returned from its current 65 mph to 75 mph, Tipton said.
Another safety improvement is adding a third westbound lane for slower tractor-trailers and other heavy vehicles climbing the hill.
In addition, frontage roads will be added on both sides of the new stretch of highway. This will allow first responders easier access to wrecks on the hill. Currently, both directions of traffic are stopped for some crashes to enable first responders to safely reach the scene and render aid.
“It’s going to make it a lot safer. It’s going to be a really good way to keep traffic flowing in a very busy section of I-20 coming up that hill,” Fields said about the improvements."
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I couldn't tell from the last video, but how are the roller lifters kept in line with the cam lobes? Are the bores "keyed" or are there link bars between the lifters but not shown in the video?
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Thing makes power... 2.2mpg isn't that great but it blows the Chevy away.
https://www.tfltruck.com/2020/02/2020-ford-f-250-godzilla-7-3l-v8-gets-maxed-out-on-the-worlds-toughest-test-here-is-how-it-did-video/ds of aftermarket blocks and heads.
If the aftermarket support comes to even 10% of whats available for an LS there should be dual quad intakes and Cobra LeMans valve covers for it and several brands of aftermarket heads and blocks.
Getting an error 404 on the link, Tom.
Here is the working link: https://www.tfltruck.com/2020/02/behind-the-scenes-see-how-the-2020-ford-7-3l-v8-kills-the-worlds-toughest-towing-test-video/
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I see the link ran together with the end of that last sentence.
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Up on the dyno and how much it weighs:
https://youtu.be/wSkBcFyZeks
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Our 7.3L is here, came in a super sweet package ;D
(http://raceabilene.com/misc/2020F350.jpg)
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man, what a truck ? NICE
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Lookin good Chris! I've learned a lot about these 250-350s from you and the OPs. Also didn't realize they are almost all 4WDs, at least the ones in dealer stock. Please keep us informed about performance and your overall impressions. What does the interior look like? Bruce
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So far we like it. It's big - BIG. Might fit in the shop - shop is 23.5' deep, truck is 22' long. It should fit through the door - back of cab is 79", door is 81.5ish. Another benefit of getting the 4x2 with 17" wheels - it's not near as tall as a 4x4 diesel with the 20" wheels. House garage - fergetaboutit. Unless we leave the door open that is. Bought a 55" Visio TV for grandson's apartment warming gift at Target - just slid the box in the back seat and shut the door. Our daughter got in it and said "you could hide a baby in the console."
Race car is in the way in the shop and wife won't let the door car in the house garage because of evap fumes. (I need to graft an evap control system on to a race car LOL!) so I cant test fit it until I load the dragster in the big trailer and move the car. 95 miles on it now in one day just driving to get used to it. In Eco mode we've done as well as 12.5 MPG. Ref - 1993 F-350 7.5L gets 9.5 @ 70 MPH freeway. It gets the trans into gear 10 pretty quick with just us in the cab. This has the XLT Upgrade package, so heated seats, lane holding, blind spot, power trailer tow mirrors and such. Pedals move and the seat has 8 way adjust so my wife can adjust it to drive it. She is a bit short, so has to jack the seat up, raise the pedals and so on. I added Box Link and the bed LEDs - the bed LEDs are great at night, well worth the $60 upcharge. The box link parts come with locks, haven't unpacked that yet. May be good for securing fuel jugs in the bed on trips. The mirrors also have LEDs underneath that light the ground, and have spots on the forward edge you can turn on. We set the mirrors to fold back into the doors when you lock the truck - very cool. Have to put 1000 miles on it before pulling, so we're going to do a road trip this weekend. Display still shows 417 miles to empty. I plan to sort out the trailer hitch/hookup stuff this coming Sunday. We have a TnT at the track scheduled for 3/7, so it may not get that full 1K before it goes to work. The trailer setup looks like fun and it also tracks trailer miles. So you have to enable and disable the trailer to get accurate trailer tracking. Blind Spot is good to 32', trailer is 34' so close enough. We did not spring for the "ultimate trailer tow" option. Backup cam on tailgate is great. Also like that when you unlock all doors, the tailgate unlocks. And when you lock, locks the tailgate with the doors. No separate keyhole in the tailgate. Tailgate is big, but it's light weight. It's quiet inside too, and even out - with the truck idling very little engine noise.
As an IT guy, the worst deal is the Ford Pass app - they really need to work on that thing as it has some real issues. Android Auto works pretty good. Only got the Google Maps up and running for nav. Radio will use various sources so it should pick up my Pandora app when I load it. Lots of tech to fiddle with on the new stuff. When we got the Escape, we spent like 2 hours just sitting in the driveway setting up phone apps, displays and such. This one will be about the same I think. Lots of info displays including trans temp, fuel averages, dual trip details and so on. I'll post a few pics in a minute.
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(http://raceabilene.com/misc/2020Int1.jpg)
(http://raceabilene.com/misc/2020Int2.jpg)
(http://raceabilene.com/misc/2020Int3.jpg)
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Bitty motor 8)
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Nice truck. Enjoy cruising the roads in it.
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Chris, word of advice...protect those mirrors!! They are very vulnerable to damage, and trust me, you don't want to have to pay to replace one of those things!
We just got a new F250 SD at work, and an F550 stakebed. They are nice trucks. I was surprised at how much taller the new 250 is compared to our 2017 F250 SD. Enough that I now have to use the assist handle to get in it, and I have long legs.
Being stripped down work trucks, ours have very little in the way of options. The new 250 has electric windows and a backup screen, which I don't think you can get away from anymore. I'm personally not a fan of a thousand sensors to give you readouts on everything from your washer fluid level, to the air temp in Bulgaria, and the heated seats seem to have a limited lifespan, but they certainly are nice when they are working. :)
But those mirrors....protect them!
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That's why we set the mirrors to fold up when locked - less chance of someone smacking into them. If you are squeezing into some tight place, they will also fold in with a button push. We're also in for the full meal deal ESP Premium with all the toppings, for 6 years/100K miles.
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We're also in for the full meal deal ESP Premium with all the toppings, for 6 years/100K miles.
Smart move. Those mirrors are over $2k....each. Gotta admit, as much as I like my old junk hauler, I'm a little jealous of your cool ride. I'd have to eat cat food though, if I had to make the payment..lol
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Thanks for the pics. Gotta love that interior, I think those are the colors I'd order. Too bad they don't ceramic coat those cast headers, no doubt they'll last a long time though.
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Nice truck Chris. Are you interested in selling the 7.3 out of it? I could trade you for a 428 or a 6.8 V10 to keep it driveable !
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Our 7.3L is here, came in a super sweet package ;D
(http://raceabilene.com/misc/2020F350.jpg)
Sweet truck, I like the interior. Only 1 thing keeps me away from the dealers looking to get one. Lack of $$$ Enjoy it and keep us updated on how it does in the real world.
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Nice truck Chris. Are you interested in selling the 7.3 out of it? I could trade you for a 428 or a 6.8 V10 to keep it driveable !
No trades LOL. Took a Texas day trip to Fort Worth on Saturday for some shopping and dinner. 376 miles, never stopped for fuel until we got back, and still had an indicated 148 miles to E. Averaged 12.6 MPG total, saw as high as 14 driving around Fort Worth. That includes running I-20 there and back at 78~80 MPH. Picked up a new 125cc quad for use at the track, stopped by the Arlington Summit store, ate a nice $$ dinner. Yesterday I hooked up the big trailer to set up the load leveler hitch. Set the tongue weight at 1700 lbs, trailer around 9000ish - no car in there. Took off for a test drive - yea, we got it going on now. No problem accelerating that load. Should be around 12K fully loaded, so if the TnT makes this coming Saturday it'll get the full pull test.
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I can’t link to it, but saw on FB that they now have a CNC ported set of 7.3L heads that went 400cfm. Looked to be fairly high lift, pushing .800” looking at the graph.
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Thing is you can get a 650HP 5.0 in the 2020 F-150 by checking the appropriate boxes. A friend(who shall remain nameless) just ordered a short bed, single cab F-150 shop truck with the ROUSH option, 10 speed auto, all the bells and whistles, 331:1 locking rear, dual exhausts, and not a single badge or emblem to give the truck away. It is brutally fast, and idles around with AC like a stock 5.0. Cost out the door was under $40K for the complete packaged truck. Talk about a sleeper. Joe-JDC
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Thing is you can get a 650HP 5.0 in the 2020 F-150 by checking the appropriate boxes. 331:1 locking rear, It is brutally fast,Talk about a sleeper. Joe-JDC
I'm not sure how brutally fast anything with a 331 to 1 rear gear will be. A sleeper I can believe, full throttle 7200 rpm in OD might keep up with a snail!!! :o
I think it depends on what you're going to do with the truck. If it's primarily a work truck and will tow then the extra money for a 7.3 godzilla is worthwhile. If you mostly drive to 7-11 and occasionally tow then the F150 is a better value and pretty fun. I've towed with a couple 5.0 F150's and they do fine, but it's definitely more work then in a big block or diesel truck.
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Back on the dyno making some good numbers for NA. Boost coming soon.
https://youtu.be/mHTXBRRzo-s
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Pretty incredible with factory castings, granted I’m sure that’s a fairly aggressive CNC program. Interesting to see cam specs and the whole curve, if it is even close to streetable with that 7600rpm peak
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You can't even call that a torque curve. It's darn near flat. A torque line?
Next, they need to develop a twin turbo setup. See if the block can handle 2000+ hp. :P
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So, looks like tq peak at 5600, with a hp peak at 7600....2000rpm spread between peaks is a pretty good combo from what I've seen. But doesn't 550ftlbs seem kind of light for a 790hp deal? It's not terrible at 1.23 per ci, but seems other combos I've tracked have been higher....but none had a 7600rpm peak so not sure how that compares. Granted, if it has a cam setup for power adder, likely has wide LSA and perhaps some additional exhaust lobe that could hurt peak torque quite a bit.
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https://youtu.be/xHPXikbOork
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https://youtu.be/2cA41wAld6I
New intake manifold.
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seems like a decent price as well.more than 10 instck and free shipping to boot!
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/fms-m-6007-73/make/ford
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It’s really an incredible deal for what you’re getting, I’d say other than the cast pistons it’s easily the same or better than what you’d get on a $12-15k crate small block, and easily what you’d spend $15-17k for an FE.
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https://youtu.be/CI5INrXHMTY
Australian dollars posited...
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I just attended the F100 nationals, I couldn't believe the number of Coyote swaps. We're going to be seeing a BUNCH of these Godzillas in vehicles soon.
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Just about decided I need one of those if Ford has a good price on a crate motor.
Now I just have to come up with some cash and a body to put it in.
Since it is a small block may be a 63 Falcon Futura?
Greg
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I saw a recent video where Brian Wolfe commented that 5.4 and 4.6 Ford motor mounts are the same position as the Godzilla, which makes swaps easier on cars that came with those. Jared, do you know if the 5.0 coyote has the same mount location?
The reason I ask, I have a 2013 F-150 that's getting up there on miles. The 6R80 trans is a direct bolt-up, if the 5.0 motor mounts are a direct bolt up, it would make an easy swap on my truck!
Cost-wise it would be much less expensive than buying a new truck and would have better power than any f150 you can buy new. Paint and interior on my truck still are great, but I worry about pulling anything too aggressively with as many miles are on the engine.
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I saw a recent video where Brian Wolfe commented that 5.4 and 4.6 Ford motor mounts are the same position as the Godzilla, which makes swaps easier on cars that came with those. Jared, do you know if the 5.0 coyote has the same mount location?
Mike, I know guys swapping 5.0's into previous 4.6 cars use the 4.6 mounts and bolt right up, so location must be the same. I didn't see that yet, that the 7.3 shares the same location as the 4.6/5.4. If so, maybe it will be a drop-in. Sorry I can't be of more help.