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Title: What's your favorite DCR calculator?
Post by: bill_396 on December 03, 2012, 09:01:39 PM
Searching on line I see a lot of variations on DCR calculators, any consensus on which one to use? Have been using the KB/Silvolite one because I had trouble getting the Pat Kelly one working. I have the Kelly one going now and it looks like I may not have been getting the best answers from the Silvolite one. Appears the intake closing point calc is a little suspect there. thanks
Title: Re: What's your favorite DCR calculator?
Post by: jayb on December 04, 2012, 07:58:49 PM
http://www.empirenet.com/pkelley2/DynamicCR.html
Title: Re: What's your favorite DCR calculator?
Post by: My427stang on December 04, 2012, 09:14:42 PM
Same here, I've done so many now using that one that I trust the results
Title: Re: What's your favorite DCR calculator?
Post by: chilly460 on December 05, 2012, 12:06:02 AM
Very nice, never done this before.  I had to guesstimate a couple items on my 390 as it's been so long since I was in the engine, or plain don't have some info, but came up with 8.011 DCR.
Title: www.not2fast.com is a useful site.
Post by: TorinoBP88 on December 06, 2012, 01:16:02 AM
You have to remember to hit inches as it defaults to metric.
Title: Re: What's your favorite DCR calculator?
Post by: KMcCullah on December 06, 2012, 07:29:59 PM
http://www.empirenet.com/pkelley2/DynamicCR.html
Wow! So much explained in one link. Good info!
Title: Re: What's your favorite DCR calculator?
Post by: fairlaniac on December 19, 2012, 08:16:27 AM
An interesting topic that I never knew much about. So now I'm trying to learn and understand it all.

So I'm gathering parts to bulid a 427 (484) using a scat 4.25 crank, 6.700 rods and this cam.
(http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/958752/fullsize/camcard.jpg) I used 72cc on the head as a hypothetical number. I don't have heads yet.

So here are some of the numbers I figured from PKelley's link above.

RD - 1.674523
ICA - 52
RR - 1.308
RL - 6.700
PR1 - 6.487376
PR2 - 5.179095
ST - 4.25
1/2ST - 2.125
DST - 3.645905

I'll assume my numbers are correct, now I'm not sure what to do with the DST number. I tried the program on the website to figure DCR but it didn't seem right. I guess if I have a question, did I do my math correctly and now what do I do with my new found information.

Thanks,
Title: Re: What's your favorite DCR calculator?
Post by: ScotiaFE on December 19, 2012, 08:00:11 PM
You can just plug the numbers into his calculator.
You have to download it.
It's the link at the bottom of the page.

I came up with a DCR of 8.578 to 1 and a DSL of 3.23.
That's using my 482 specs with a 10.96 to 1 SCR.
I think I'm using correctly.

Title: Re: What's your favorite DCR calculator?
Post by: jayb on December 19, 2012, 09:42:37 PM
An interesting topic that I never knew much about. So now I'm trying to learn and understand it all.

So I'm gathering parts to bulid a 427 (484) using a scat 4.25 crank, 6.700 rods and this cam.
(http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/958752/fullsize/camcard.jpg) I used 72cc on the head as a hypothetical number. I don't have heads yet.

So here are some of the numbers I figured from PKelley's link above.

RD - 1.674523
ICA - 52
RR - 1.308
RL - 6.700
PR1 - 6.487376
PR2 - 5.179095
ST - 4.25
1/2ST - 2.125
DST - 3.645905

I'll assume my numbers are correct, now I'm not sure what to do with the DST number. I tried the program on the website to figure DCR but it didn't seem right. I guess if I have a question, did I do my math correctly and now what do I do with my new found information.

Thanks,

Your ICA number is not correct.  The ICA number is calculated from the advertised duration, not the duration at .050".  When the lobe lift is at .050", the intake valve is still open.  You want the ICA angle to be when the intake valve has just closed, not when it is still hanging open. 

Looking at your card, the duration at .020" tappet lift is 287.  Given lash of .020", this is exactly when the intake valve has closed.  Using 287 for the intake duration, the ICA will be 67.5, assuming you have degreed the cam according to the card, at an intake lobe centerline of 104 degrees.

Try 67.5 for the ICA and see if you get a more reasonable number.

>>>Edit:  Thinking about this, I goofed on one of my previous statements.  .020" tappet lift is NOT exactly when the intake valve has closed.  At .020" tappet lift, you have valve lift of about .035" due to the rocker ratio.  Subtracting .016" from this for lash (according to the lash specs on the cam card), you will still have the intake valve open .020" at this point.  So for seat to seat intake duration, you would want the measurement at about .010" tappet lift, which is about .017" valve lift after accounting for rocker ratio, and about 0 valve lift when lash is subtracted.

You could probably use the .020" tappet duration anyway and get a good DCR number, but I think I would add a little to the duration to be safe.  So, instead of 287, maybe use 292.  This would make your ICA number 70.

Hope that helps - Jay
Title: Re: What's your favorite DCR calculator?
Post by: fairlaniac on December 21, 2012, 01:40:23 PM
Jay,
Thanks! I'm still trying to identify where the new number of 70 came from? I'll see how the math works out.
Title: Re: What's your favorite DCR calculator?
Post by: afret on December 21, 2012, 02:36:51 PM
Since Jay is using 292* as the advertised duration instead of 287, you subtract the .05 duration number from that.  292-256=36.  Then divide 36 by 2 which is 18.  Add 18 to the .05 intake valve closing number of 52 and get 70.  Maybe all this isn't an exact science but should get you in the ballpark.

(I plugged 67.5 and 70 intake closing point in a simple DCR calculator using a 482 with 11.3 static compression and the DCR changed only about 0.17).