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FE Power Forums => Non-FE Discussion Forum => Topic started by: Heo on October 16, 2018, 04:00:31 AM
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I made some reflections yesterday.Totally unrelated and borderline political
Me and the wife was to the next bigger town yesterday, and went in to one of
the big malls ( Side note The town is Luleå where the worlds first shopping mall was built by Ralph Erskine)
While the wife discussed eyelashes and whatever with the woman at the makeupstore i walked around in
the mall,to find someplace to have a coffee. There was esspressohouse,Wayne's coffee, and whatever with
Soya latte and crap like that, pastry and sandwiches you could not pronounciate the name on.
And some dork behind the counter called a barista thinking he was a superhero because he could make some ersatz coffee.
With a trendy interior that will be outdated by December
At the tables everybody stared at their smartphones with dead eyes like they where alone and abandoned.
Except for the gang of Somalians that sounded like a flock of fighting dogs
When i reached the other end of the mall the sun came out of the clouds angels started to play, there it was.
:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Börje Olssons Cafe´ established 1958, newly built not in fake retrostyle with rotten lumber, some rusty old license plates and
"patina" junk.
But like a cafe`was built in Sweden in the 50s with light wood paneling stainless and brass
When i lived in that town in the 80s, i used to go to Olssons Cafe`that was in another place, i thought
they hade vanished a long time ago. This was a bigger copy of the old place, with Real coffe not some made up
skimlattenuttastingsewerwater.
Pastry and sandwiches i could recognise and pronounciate not a smartpone in sight
people at the tables talking to each others with a smile at their face, in a voice that not was heard over the whole mall
The waitress behind the counter don't had lips like a duck and eyebrows like some one had wiped a dipstick from a diesel engine
across the forehead
Me and the wife sat down for a Salmon and egg sandwish and a danish and a real coffee it was like heaven. Smiling people that was
aware that there was a living world around them, not rotating around them
Call me anti progress if you like and if someone got offended or i stepped on someones toes i dont charge extra for that
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I get it and I agree. And those damn phones have made the world like living in the movie, Invasion of the Body Snatchers.
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Put me in the anti-progress category. Every time we go out for dinner, I see couples sitting at their tables...staring into their phones. Standing in line the other day at a favorite local only fast food place, where the line gets really long because it's so popular, the guy in front of me wouldn't move up when the line moved. This kept people from being able to get through the doors. Why? Because he was staring into his phone. 2 people tried talking to him, he wouldn't respond because he wasn't even aware that anyone was talking to him. I started to walk around him 3 different times before he realized the line had moved and then he moved up...and started staring at his phone again, only to repeat the process over and over. This food place always had older people working there and always had great, fast and friendly service, until they recently went on a hiring spree to replace some people that had retired. Now you get slow service from pink/purple haired kids that act like they'd rather be home playing games, and you're just an inconvenience to them...while they half-ass slap sandwiches together and give you cold fries. >:( I won't even get into the mess about trying to get change back from using actual paper money and coins, from kids that can't do simple math. The dumbfounded look on their faces is almost priceless..lol
You've seen my house, Heo, so you know there's nothing new about it ;D Mr. Foxwell argued that you couldn't live in a world without being surrounded by Chinese products. I wasn't going to argue with him because it didn't do any good, but he was wrong. I have 3 Asian made products, 1 TV (because my 35 year old U.S. made RCA TV was finally getting too weak to watch) and a computer with a big TV/monitor. My fridge and stove are both 1942 General Electric products and work perfect. My water heater is a 50 year old G.E. unit that still works fine. I burn wood for heat (cut with 2 German made Stihl chain saws, split by hand). Out of 6 licensed vehicles, I only have 2 now that are newer than 1976, 4 of them are FE powered and one is a U.S. made motorcycle. All stuff I can actually work on..lol
End of rant.
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Feel ya.
Just look at the list of our cars.
Though I appreciate being able to communicate with you all on this new fangled type writer we are typing on I would certainly rather do it face to face over a beer.
As for the new zombies..........my momma taught me if I don’t have anything nice to say, don’t say anything at all.
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Except to ask them to kindly get the “f” out of the way or stop yelling in to your phone while we are in a cafe at breakfast.
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Meanwhile I recently had an engineering cadet from school. He was 23, motivated, intelligent, had a fantastic work ethic, etc. in all the ways that matter I considered him superior to myself. He was only lacking in experience, so I made it my mission for the two months I had him to fill his head with as much knowledge that I could, based on my 4,000+ days offshore.
I look forward to him one day being my boss (my lack of education will forever limit my ceiling)
Anyway, there are many many others out there that are just like this kid.
Could I have picked him apart to make myself feel better? Sure.
Could I have commented on his use of a cellphone on his time off? Sure.
What would it accomplish?
I live my way, other people live there way... I’m not so insecure to care what they do.
If you choose to base your views on the new generation via fast food workers and yuppies in coffee shops, I’m certain you will hold a negative view of them all.
Why not do something useful instead? Find a kid that is interested in fixing up his car, teach them how to weld, or how an ignition system works. Teach them how to build something instead of buying it.
We are all the parents of this generation, we should act the part, and if this generation fails, well we really only have one direction to point the finger.
Good luck.
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>And some dork behind the counter called a barista thinking he was a superhero because he could make some ersatz coffee.
LOL - I'm a network guy. I run a large university network, routing, about 250 switches or so, 255 access points, 1000's of network clients. Also run the ID card system for access control, meal plans, etc. Complicated stuff. Rewired the dragster, built the engine, fabbed several parts, sorted out the details, delay box, fiber links for dial in display, vacuum pump, fuel system, etc. Complicated stuff.
We put in a "Starbucks" in the university Library lobby area. Sells a bunch of the goofy coffee and misc stuff. (Vendi strawberry smoothie with milk and foam is a favorite vice but I'll drink Folgers thanks) So I'm in there doing the network connections for the sale terminal and the IP phone, getting all connected back to the data center and what not. Behind me is a lead barista for Starbucks doing a coffee data dump to the people that will run the stand.
My stuff ain't complicated - COFFEE is COMPLICATED. You can keep that, my head started to hurt just listening to all the requirements and how-tos. The espresso machine required a specialist to be brought in from Dallas just to set it up and tune it. "Coffee crew chief".
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I too am turning into that "Grumpy old Man"..............wow. Whoda thunk that would happen.
Yes, looking at the newest upbringings I have little hope for this world. I'm sure my parents said the same thing about us.
I too am stuck in the 70's, but sure do appreciate a smart phone. Geez, it is more convenient then a shirt pocket any more. But it needs to have limitations. We are turning into a Buck Rogers kind of world(remember that show?) right in front of our eyes. Something that was such a "far, far away thing" back when we were much younger.
Just last night, went out to dinner at local place. Young hostess was just on the edge of snotty. She would smile and start out nice, then as any part of her job progressed she got "annoyed" and it showed. She took us to our seats with a smile, but then threw the menus down and walked away and told us someone will be over with her back turned to us like she didn't have time to finish "her job" of seating us. They weren't busy.
Some time back I had to stop for a quick lunch while on the road. I hit a Mcd's as a last resort. The very tall young black male behind the counter was out of this world. He greeted everyone as they walked up, telling you his name, asking for yours, asking how your day was and what would you like. All with a great smile and very eager to wait on you. I was thrown back. I thanked him, as he did me after I got my meal. If only EVERY young person was that happy to work and do their job the best they could. They are out there.
The one thing I always try to do is THANK a person for doing a job. Like at the race track, the poor person running the ticket shack, out in the middle of nowhere, all day, hot/cold, rain, miserable. I typically have the car off, but even if still running I very loudly THANK THEM for the ticket with a smile on my face. Even if I lost for some dumb reason, it is not their fault and I want to make sure they are thanked for a thankless job.
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Cell phones. Go back and re-read 1984, it should give you chills. Orwell under-estimated just how pervasive and all-seeing it was going to be. They don't NEED to hang it on your wall, they have you convinced that you gotta carry it in your pocket, and they convince you to pay for it as well. My guess is within my kids lifetime, the cops won't ask to see your ID, they will ask for your phone instead, and if you don't produce one, off you will go. Too political?
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Meanwhile I recently had an engineering cadet from school. He was 23, motivated, intelligent, had a fantastic work ethic, etc. in all the ways that matter I considered him superior to myself. He was only lacking in experience, so I made it my mission for the two months I had him to fill his head with as much knowledge that I could, based on my 4,000+ days offshore.
I look forward to him one day being my boss (my lack of education will forever limit my ceiling)
Anyway, there are many many others out there that are just like this kid.
Could I have picked him apart to make myself feel better? Sure.
Could I have commented on his use of a cellphone on his time off? Sure.
What would it accomplish?
I live my way, other people live there way... I’m not so insecure to care what they do.
If you choose to base your views on the new generation via fast food workers and yuppies in coffee shops, I’m certain you will hold a negative view of them all.
Why not do something useful instead? Find a kid that is interested in fixing up his car, teach them how to weld, or how an ignition system works. Teach them how to build something instead of buying it.
We are all the parents of this generation, we should act the part, and if this generation fails, well we really only have one direction to point the finger.
Good luck.
Applause...very well said sir. I have a 9 yr old child, her and many of her classmates give me tremendous hope for the future, and they are about the only thing that does. We also had my wife's niece living with us and attending high school here as a foreign student. English as a second language, zero previous knowledge of our history, she was on the honour role at the end of her first year, and after three years, graduated with a substantial scholarship to a well known east coast university. Always kind, polite and respectful, and worked her ass off. It's not them that has created this royal cluster####, and allowed our and their rights to freedom and privacy to be thrown under the bus, it's US! One of your founding fathers pointed out that with democracy comes responsibility, and we failed miserably in taking care of that responsibility, and to reverse the effects of that is going to be a very long hard road. I'd better shut up before I get banned.
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I am in agreement with all that's been said above, and I'm determined to be positive about all of it. God is in his heaven and all is going to be right with the world.
It all starts with being the best that YOU can be. Be thankful---show gratitude to all who cross your path. Find SOMETHING to smile about. It's contagious. Things aren't very good in North Korea, but there're signs it's getting better.
I'm going to be a Grandfather come Christmas. I have great hopes for her.
KS
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Meanwhile I recently had an engineering cadet from school. He was 23, motivated, intelligent, had a fantastic work ethic, etc. in all the ways that matter I considered him superior to myself. He was only lacking in experience, so I made it my mission for the two months I had him to fill his head with as much knowledge that I could, based on my 4,000+ days offshore.
I look forward to him one day being my boss (my lack of education will forever limit my ceiling)
Anyway, there are many many others out there that are just like this kid.
Could I have picked him apart to make myself feel better? Sure.
Could I have commented on his use of a cellphone on his time off? Sure.
What would it accomplish?
I live my way, other people live there way... I’m not so insecure to care what they do.
If you choose to base your views on the new generation via fast food workers and yuppies in coffee shops, I’m certain you will hold a negative view of them all.
Why not do something useful instead? Find a kid that is interested in fixing up his car, teach them how to weld, or how an ignition system works. Teach them how to build something instead of buying it.
We are all the parents of this generation, we should act the part, and if this generation fails, well we really only have one direction to point the finger.
Good luck.
Sure there is smart young people out there probably same percentage there always have been.
Im not racking down on the new generation. They are taken hostage by clever salesmans with out
knowing it. The world have"progressed" to something i dont like
Is it progress when you have to have a smartphone to order food at a restaurant? yes there is such a restaurant
my stepsons girlfriend sugested we should go and eat there????? you have to have a smartphone,load down
an app and then you order from the app what to eat at the restuarant you are seated at....Or i was at the lokal Volvo dealer
to buy a clip that hold the choke wire, Sorry cant sell you a clip beacuse our servers are down so i cant find it
How long is the servers down then? Dont know maby to morrow or next day :o :o :o 30 years ago Gustavsson
should have thought 10 sec said the partnr, fetched the clip collected the payment with servers up, down, gone,
whatever. Thats not the kind of progress i want.
There is so much solutions looking for a problem out there. Like replacing a simple steelrod or wire with a bunch of
potentiometers and electrical servos and calling it progress. I call it stupid, but mayby im the stupid one. Im going to
continue to enjoy my stupidnes and hopefully learn some youngones to be even more stupid than i am
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Meanwhile I recently had an engineering cadet from school. He was 23, motivated, intelligent, had a fantastic work ethic, etc. in all the ways that matter I considered him superior to myself. He was only lacking in experience, so I made it my mission for the two months I had him to fill his head with as much knowledge that I could, based on my 4,000+ days offshore.
I look forward to him one day being my boss (my lack of education will forever limit my ceiling)
Anyway, there are many many others out there that are just like this kid.
Could I have picked him apart to make myself feel better? Sure.
Could I have commented on his use of a cellphone on his time off? Sure.
What would it accomplish?
I live my way, other people live there way... I’m not so insecure to care what they do.
If you choose to base your views on the new generation via fast food workers and yuppies in coffee shops, I’m certain you will hold a negative view of them all.
Why not do something useful instead? Find a kid that is interested in fixing up his car, teach them how to weld, or how an ignition system works. Teach them how to build something instead of buying it.
We are all the parents of this generation, we should act the part, and if this generation fails, well we really only have one direction to point the finger.
Good luck.
I work around a group of people that have to run heavy equipment and know how to do basic hand work that requires nothing but basic skills. Nobody they've hired in the last 10 years, and there are lots of them, mostly aged 20+, even comes CLOSE to meeting these requirements. And finding someone that wants to learn? Umm, hasn't happened in a long time.
Why do you think it's exciting for you to find that kid that you spoke of? Because he's a rarity these days. I don't give a crap what somebody does on their own time, or how they do it, but we're talking about basic service and dealing with people on a daily basis. If you think that hasn't changed over the years, then you've been spending way too much time off land, Drew. Parts store counter people are another good example. We all know about that...
Talk to business owners and see what they say about finding good help, in ANY job, not just fast food. Of course this doesn't apply to 100% of the people out there, but in general terms, the workforce has changed, and not for the better. Where I work, once the people retire who have 25-30+ years in, they are gonna be in trouble. None of the newer people can even safely run a basic tractor, and they don't even have the ability, or desire, to learn. There are 3 basic jobs where I work, excluding specialty jobs like mine; Housekeeping, Grounds and Maintenance/HVAC. Every job classification is hurting right now. They can't even get people to show up regularly. They accept daily what was never acceptable when I started in the workforce. I would love to pass on my experience and knowledge, if I had the opportunity.
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Heh, I do spend too much time on water, it’s true.
That said in the little time I do have, I currently have five kids under 21 that stop by to learn stuff.
One has this crappy Chevy. He knows it’s a pos but it’s his. So I show him how to weld sheet metal.
The other kid is fascinated with wood working and asked his family for donations toward a lathe for Xmas.
Another is my daughters boyfriend’s brother. He’s planning on coming down from Virginia to spend “summer camp” time in my shop next year.
I just have trouble believing that with me only spending a few months a year on land, working in my shop those few months, and being an ornery misanthrope, that I can find these kids in desolate South Georgia.
Maybe it’s different elsewhere. No matter, I was just trying to find the best in our species.
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>And some dork behind the counter called a barista thinking he was a superhero because he could make some ersatz coffee.
LOL - I'm a network guy. I run a large university network, routing, about 250 switches or so, 255 access points, 1000's of network clients. Also run the ID card system for access control, meal plans, etc. Complicated stuff. Rewired the dragster, built the engine, fabbed several parts, sorted out the details, delay box, fiber links for dial in display, vacuum pump, fuel system, etc. Complicated stuff.
We put in a "Starbucks" in the university Library lobby area. Sells a bunch of the goofy coffee and misc stuff. (Vendi strawberry smoothie with milk and foam is a favorite vice but I'll drink Folgers thanks) So I'm in there doing the network connections for the sale terminal and the IP phone, getting all connected back to the data center and what not. Behind me is a lead barista for Starbucks doing a coffee data dump to the people that will run the stand.
My stuff ain't complicated - COFFEE is COMPLICATED. You can keep that, my head started to hurt just listening to all the requirements and how-tos. The espresso machine required a specialist to be brought in from Dallas just to set it up and tune it. "Coffee crew chief".
Well ...out of that i understod...Dragster and Folgers, the rest made my head hurt ;D ;D And i prefer my Coffe boiled over open fire out in the woods. I wounder if the coffe crew chief can start a fire out in the woods in pouring rain ???
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Cell phones. Go back and re-read 1984, it should give you chills. Orwell under-estimated just how pervasive and all-seeing it was going to be. They don't NEED to hang it on your wall, they have you convinced that you gotta carry it in your pocket, and they convince you to pay for it as well. My guess is within my kids lifetime, the cops won't ask to see your ID, they will ask for your phone instead, and if you don't produce one, off you will go. Too political?
In Sweden they have started this "voulonter" test with a microchip implanted under the skin.
Ohh its so convenient to pay traintickets, and for your safety and bla bla bla. There is actually
people that are that stupid that they do it. And when they have enough that had done it they
will make it mandatory for everyone...For our own security of cause, if you get lost they can find you
and you don't need your ID with you, how convenient.... . and top that with self driving cars and cash
is not usable any more.....Then we are slaves under the rulers.....
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I get some "flack" for not having my phone on me when I go out to lunch or dinner. I find it inconvenient and rude, to be receiving calls when I am out to have conversation and a good meal with friends.
On the "next generation", I'll just say it's a mixed bag. I had 2 Mennonites put up my pole barn 30x40. They were 24 and 26 years of age, showed up at 7:15 each morning. They worked until 4:30, and finished the job in 4 days. Did nice work too.
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I get some "flack" for not having my phone on me when I go out to lunch or dinner. I find it inconvenient and rude, to be receiving calls when I am out to have conversation and a good meal with friends.
On the "next generation", I'll just say it's a mixed bag. I had 2 Mennonites put up my pole barn 30x40. They were 24 and 26 years of age, showed up at 7:15 each morning. They worked until 4:30, and finished the job in 4 days. Did nice work too.
Ditto, I find it rude while spending time with people, to be constantly interrupted by 'phone checking'. The Mennonite and Amish (it's Amish where I live) are brought up differently. It's hard to compare their work ethic to the average person these days. The Amish have a stellar work reputation around my parts, and it's well deserved.
And kudos to you, Drew, for encouraging those kids to advance their skills in areas that interest them. My Son makes a concentrated effort to pass on basic skills and mechanical knowledge to his 2 sons. Even if they choose tech or business routes in life, those skills will greatly help them. Unfortunately, for most kids today, the internet, and forums like this, are the only places to learn and increase that knowledge.
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I used to get a little irritated when my stepson had his phone out but latter learned he was taking a lot of pictures of us and projects we were working on.
In my opinion, like many of you, we are not so much cramped for time in our easy, convenient modern life style as we think. I believe due to our electronic devices and unbalanced time spent on entertainment that we simply end up spending too much time with them and in turn feel cramped trying to get the important things done. I strived to spend more time with my family by spending less time on my own projects and at times saying no my employer. Although there were times when I was hypocritical, I can look back and not regret that I neglected my responsibility as a father or was selfish with my time.
I do not have the right to tell you dad's how to raise your children nor am I condiming anyone that, as I have, works long hours to provide. However I am in a position of experience that I hope no parent ever has to be in.
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Kids today are smart. They've grown up in an age where they are motivated to become increasingly tech savvy just to keep up with their friends. That may or may not pay off for them in the long run. Need your computer fixed, find a 12 year old.
That said, in the 21 years that I had my shop I can't recall a youngster coming into my shop and asking for a job. That is how I started so many years ago...an apprentice in a Mercedes/Volvo shop. Getting greasy,burnt,sliced, bending over a fender for hours, crawling around on the floor, and picking up heavy stuff isn't what their future holds.
Now retired, I wonder where the future techs are coming from. Probably 40% of my job was done on a laptop or hand held scanner. Folks good enough with the tech "thingies" (I am not that good) surely will not want to get dirty out in a shop...and will be looking for a desk job.
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I used to get a little irritated when my stepson had his phone out but latter learned he was taking a lot of pictures of us and projects we were working on.
In my opinion, like many of you, we are not so much cramped for time in our easy, convenient modern life style as we think. I believe due to our electronic devices and unbalanced time spent on entertainment that we simply end up spending too much time with them and in turn feel cramped trying to get the important things done. I strived to spend more time with my family by spending less time on my own projects and at times saying no my employer. Although there were times when I was hypocritical, I can look back and not regret that I neglected my responsibility as a father or was selfish with my time.
I do not have the right to tell you dad's how to raise your children nor am I condiming anyone that, as I have, works long hours to provide. However I am in a position of experience that I hope no parent ever has to be in.
I had my child late in life, and am a retired stay at home dad with a 9 yr old daughter. One of the things I do, that I believe is REALLY valuable to both her and I, is I DO NOT pick her up from school in the car, I walk to pick her up, and we walk home together. We get off the busy streets and take quiet side streets, and we cut through a heavily forested park on the way home,,even though it means walking farther. The reason I believe this is so important is, it gives us time together immediately after school, where my attention is completely focused on her, nothing else. We talk about what happened in school, and if there have been problems with another child or something has pissed her off, it gives me the opportunity to talk to her in depth about how she could possibly resolve or deal with those issues in a constructive way, and if that isn't going to work, how to avoid taking on or internalizing other people's "issues". We spend time talking about nature, beauty, the importance of quiet time for introspection, and on and on.
The reasons for this are two-fold, it helps her learn to deal with conflicts and problems without having them take her over and rent space in her head, and in my opinion, more important, it shows her in a very real and concrete way that what she thinks and feels matters to me, and I am going to take the time to listen, and make the effort to understand.
I FREQUENTLY find myself having a conversation with other parents on the schoolyard that comment on how she seems to talk to me and tell me how she really feels and thinks about things, and I try to gently explain to them that its because when she talks to me, I listen and engage. I also find that I often know more about what THEIR kids are going through than they do themselves, this is because their kids talk more to my daughter than they do to their own parents.
Many times, I see these same parents, their children will approach them and try to talk about their problems, and the parents are too busy on their phones to listen. They pretend they are listening, but they are scrolling and texting the entire time, and the kids are VERY much aware that this is what they are doing, and their voices trail off and go quiet, and the kid walks away, with no meaningful feedback or interaction from the parent, other than a "yes" or "no". If you can't be bothered to listen go your child when they are 8 or 9, what the he'll makes you think they are going to come to YOU when they have a problem at 14 or 15?
Personally, I don't own a phone, I don't use Facebook or Twitter, or any of this other garbage, and I don't even post on here that much. This isn't because I am a luddite, or anti-technology, I have been using the internet since the eighties. Karl Marx said that religion was the opiate of the masses, but he was unable to see the arrival of personal electronics. And now, for many MANY people, the phone is their new God, their parent figure, their lover, and their best friend all rolled into one. It is changing us as a species, changing the way we relate to each other, isolating us, and totally disengaging us from each other. Stop and think about the ramifications of that for us as a species, and what it means for the future of democracy, and for civilization at large.
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Cell phones. Go back and re-read 1984, it should give you chills. Orwell under-estimated just how pervasive and all-seeing it was going to be. They don't NEED to hang it on your wall, they have you convinced that you gotta carry it in your pocket, and they convince you to pay for it as well. My guess is within my kids lifetime, the cops won't ask to see your ID, they will ask for your phone instead, and if you don't produce one, off you will go. Too political?
In Sweden they have started this "voulonter" test with a microchip implanted under the skin.
Ohh its so convenient to pay traintickets, and for your safety and bla bla bla. There is actually
people that are that stupid that they do it. And when they have enough that had done it they
will make it mandatory for everyone...For our own security of cause, if you get lost they can find you
and you don't need your ID with you, how convenient.... . and top that with self driving cars and cash
is not usable any more.....Then we are slaves under the rulers.....
Sweden hell, there's a company in Wisconsin doing the same thing with their employees. It's "voluntary", for NOW.
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Heh, I do spend too much time on water, it’s true.
That said in the little time I do have, I currently have five kids under 21 that stop by to learn stuff.
One has this crappy Chevy. He knows it’s a pos but it’s his. So I show him how to weld sheet metal.
The other kid is fascinated with wood working and asked his family for donations toward a lathe for Xmas.
Another is my daughters boyfriend’s brother. He’s planning on coming down from Virginia to spend “summer camp” time in my shop next year.
I just have trouble believing that with me only spending a few months a year on land, working in my shop those few months, and being an ornery misanthrope, that I can find these kids in desolate South Georgia.
Maybe it’s different elsewhere. No matter, I was just trying to find the best in our species.
More applause. I know it's a corny old cliche, but it really does take a village to raise a child, especially when half the parents out there can't pull their eyes off their goddam phones!
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Is it progress when you have to have a smartphone to order food at a restaurant? yes there is such a restaurant
my stepsons girlfriend sugested we should go and eat there?????
Just depends on how you view "tech". We're both IT people and just spent 90 minutes in the driveway in the Escape with the motor idling while we downloaded Android Auto, FordPass, etc, flused out the POs system entries, updated Sync to V3, linked in our devices and played around with Google maps to the dash, play lists from Amazon, text to speech, hands free, voice commands, setting the interior LED lighting, etc, etc. Lotsa fun, very cool stuff. Love that tech. :)
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I LOVE wide band 02 sensors. I LOVE knock sensors and programmable ignition boxes (as long as they can be triggered by points ;) :D) I LOVE good dyno sym computer programs, Pipemax, and I LOVE the amount of info I have at my fingertips via the internet.
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We're both IT people and just spent 90 minutes in the driveway in the Escape....Lotsa fun, very cool stuff. Love that tech. :)
Wait till you have to change the battery in that Escape. Remove the windshield wipers, remove the cowl panel, remove the lower drain panel...just to get to it. I like my lo-tech Galaxie, Mustang and '70 truck :)
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I used to get a little irritated when my stepson had his phone out but latter learned he was taking a lot of pictures of us and projects we were working on.
In my opinion, like many of you, we are not so much cramped for time in our easy, convenient modern life style as we think. I believe due to our electronic devices and unbalanced time spent on entertainment that we simply end up spending too much time with them and in turn feel cramped trying to get the important things done. I strived to spend more time with my family by spending less time on my own projects and at times saying no my employer. Although there were times when I was hypocritical, I can look back and not regret that I neglected my responsibility as a father or was selfish with my time.
I do not have the right to tell you dad's how to raise your children nor am I condiming anyone that, as I have, works long hours to provide. However I am in a position of experience that I hope no parent ever has to be in.
I had my child late in life, and am a retired stay at home dad with a 9 yr old daughter. One of the things I do, that I believe is REALLY valuable to both her and I, is I DO NOT pick her up from school in the car, I walk to pick her up, and we walk home together. We get off the busy streets and take quiet side streets, and we cut through a heavily forested park on the way home,,even though it means walking farther. The reason I believe this is so important is, it gives us time together immediately after school, where my attention is completely focused on her, nothing else. We talk about what happened in school, and if there have been problems with another child or something has pissed her off, it gives me the opportunity to talk to her in depth about how she could possibly resolve or deal with those issues in a constructive way, and if that isn't going to work, how to avoid taking on or internalizing other people's "issues". We spend time talking about nature, beauty, the importance of quiet time for introspection, and on and on.
The reasons for this are two-fold, it helps her learn to deal with conflicts and problems without having them take her over and rent space in her head, and in my opinion, more important, it shows her in a very real and concrete way that what she thinks and feels matters to me, and I am going to take the time to listen, and make the effort to understand.
I FREQUENTLY find myself having a conversation with other parents on the schoolyard that comment on how she seems to talk to me and tell me how she really feels and thinks about things, and I try to gently explain to them that its because when she talks to me, I listen and engage. I also find that I often know more about what THEIR kids are going through than they do themselves, this is because their kids talk more to my daughter than they do to their own parents.
Many times, I see these same parents, their children will approach them and try to talk about their problems, and the parents are too busy on their phones to listen. They pretend they are listening, but they are scrolling and texting the entire time, and the kids are VERY much aware that this is what they are doing, and their voices trail off and go quiet, and the kid walks away, with no meaningful feedback or interaction from the parent, other than a "yes" or "no". If you can't be bothered to listen go your child when they are 8 or 9, what the he'll makes you think they are going to come to YOU when they have a problem at 14 or 15?
Personally, I don't own a phone, I don't use Facebook or Twitter, or any of this other garbage, and I don't even post on here that much. This isn't because I am a luddite, or anti-technology, I have been using the internet since the eighties. Karl Marx said that religion was the opiate of the masses, but he was unable to see the arrival of personal electronics. And now, for many MANY people, the phone is their new God, their parent figure, their lover, and their best friend all rolled into one. It is changing us as a species, changing the way we relate to each other, isolating us, and totally disengaging us from each other. Stop and think about the ramifications of that for us as a species, and what it means for the future of democracy, and for civilization at large.
I believe that intelligence is, to a significant extent, learned. You must be born with the basic equipment, but from the very first, treated properly, you can be a sponge soaking up knowledge.
Intelligence is, when it comes right down to it, the ability to learn---and when very young, those you interact with can teach you how to go about it. It's been said that the ideal time to test intelligence is at two years old. So those first two years are vital. You're doing things right. Good for you, and your daughter will be the better for it.
KS
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Is it progress when you have to have a smartphone to order food at a restaurant? yes there is such a restaurant
my stepsons girlfriend sugested we should go and eat there?????
Just depends on how you view "tech". We're both IT people and just spent 90 minutes in the driveway in the Escape with the motor idling while we downloaded Android Auto, FordPass, etc, flused out the POs system entries, updated Sync to V3, linked in our devices and played around with Google maps to the dash, play lists from Amazon, text to speech, hands free, voice commands, setting the interior LED lighting, etc, etc. Lotsa fun, very cool stuff. Love that tech. :)
I view it like. When i want to go out and eat, i want to talk to a real waitress, maybe flirt a little , enjoy the company of those that are with me. Not sitting in a circle fingering our phones beacuse the restaurant owner is to cheap to hire real people, And about the Escape...that list what you did in it would make me Escape the Escape ;D.I have never felt the need to talk to my car :P I need an oilpressure gauge, temp gauge, thats it, tach and speedo is acsessories. Or need and need, if the oilpressure drops it start knocking and if it overheats it it start steaming :D
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This little video kind of sums it up for me. I refer to them as zombies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QugooaNRnsk
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This little video kind of sums it up for me. I refer to them as zombies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QugooaNRnsk
:( sums it up pretty good.... One of my sons girlfriend crashed with her car
a car stopped so she thought they was going to help her...nope jumped out filmed
with their smartphones jumpt in the car and went away ???
At another accident they started to fight with the firemens because they wont move
so they could film the mangled bodies....what do you do with a film like that??? save
to show at the next family dinner??? jerk of to later that night or???
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This little video kind of sums it up for me. I refer to them as zombies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QugooaNRnsk
I know many will say that we're all just being 'doom & gloom', but sometimes you have to look at the bigger picture. That video, while being a cartoon, is pretty darn accurate. The trend is NOT going to go away either, so imagine in the next 10 years, or 15....
I like the few apps I have on my phone; weather/radar, GPS (although I'm a firm believer in map reading), and my Speed View app. which gives speed, direction and other GPS data. But I find myself setting it down and walking away from it more and more. I will say that some tech is awesome, like up-to-date traffic information (with re-routing abilities) and radar at my fingertips.
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I used to get a little irritated when my stepson had his phone out but latter learned he was taking a lot of pictures of us and projects we were working on.
In my opinion, like many of you, we are not so much cramped for time in our easy, convenient modern life style as we think. I believe due to our electronic devices and unbalanced time spent on entertainment that we simply end up spending too much time with them and in turn feel cramped trying to get the important things done. I strived to spend more time with my family by spending less time on my own projects and at times saying no my employer. Although there were times when I was hypocritical, I can look back and not regret that I neglected my responsibility as a father or was selfish with my time.
I do not have the right to tell you dad's how to raise your children nor am I condiming anyone that, as I have, works long hours to provide. However I am in a position of experience that I hope no parent ever has to be in.
I had my child late in life, and am a retired stay at home dad with a 9 yr old daughter. One of the things I do, that I believe is REALLY valuable to both her and I, is I DO NOT pick her up from school in the car, I walk to pick her up, and we walk home together. We get off the busy streets and take quiet side streets, and we cut through a heavily forested park on the way home,,even though it means walking farther. The reason I believe this is so important is, it gives us time together immediately after school, where my attention is completely focused on her, nothing else. We talk about what happened in school, and if there have been problems with another child or something has pissed her off, it gives me the opportunity to talk to her in depth about how she could possibly resolve or deal with those issues in a constructive way, and if that isn't going to work, how to avoid taking on or internalizing other people's "issues". We spend time talking about nature, beauty, the importance of quiet time for introspection, and on and on.
The reasons for this are two-fold, it helps her learn to deal with conflicts and problems without having them take her over and rent space in her head, and in my opinion, more important, it shows her in a very real and concrete way that what she thinks and feels matters to me, and I am going to take the time to listen, and make the effort to understand.
I FREQUENTLY find myself having a conversation with other parents on the schoolyard that comment on how she seems to talk to me and tell me how she really feels and thinks about things, and I try to gently explain to them that its because when she talks to me, I listen and engage. I also find that I often know more about what THEIR kids are going through than they do themselves, this is because their kids talk more to my daughter than they do to their own parents.
Many times, I see these same parents, their children will approach them and try to talk about their problems, and the parents are too busy on their phones to listen. They pretend they are listening, but they are scrolling and texting the entire time, and the kids are VERY much aware that this is what they are doing, and their voices trail off and go quiet, and the kid walks away, with no meaningful feedback or interaction from the parent, other than a "yes" or "no". If you can't be bothered to listen go your child when they are 8 or 9, what the he'll makes you think they are going to come to YOU when they have a problem at 14 or 15?
Personally, I don't own a phone, I don't use Facebook or Twitter, or any of this other garbage, and I don't even post on here that much. This isn't because I am a luddite, or anti-technology, I have been using the internet since the eighties. Karl Marx said that religion was the opiate of the masses, but he was unable to see the arrival of personal electronics. And now, for many MANY people, the phone is their new God, their parent figure, their lover, and their best friend all rolled into one. It is changing us as a species, changing the way we relate to each other, isolating us, and totally disengaging us from each other. Stop and think about the ramifications of that for us as a species, and what it means for the future of democracy, and for civilization at large.
I believe that intelligence is, to a significant extent, learned. You must be born with the basic equipment, but from the very first, treated properly, you can be a sponge soaking up knowledge.
Intelligence is, when it comes right down to it, the ability to learn---and when very young, those you interact with can teach you how to go about it. It's been said that the ideal time to test intelligence is at two years old. So those first two years are vital. You're doing things right. Good for you, and your daughter will be the better for it.
KS
It's probably obvious at this point, but I agree 100%. The potential of kids just amazes me.
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This little video kind of sums it up for me. I refer to them as zombies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QugooaNRnsk
I have seen that before, what amazing work.
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This little video kind of sums it up for me. I refer to them as zombies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QugooaNRnsk
Here's the problem: Cell phones aren't really the culprits. Like some others have mentioned, the data apps can be very good; GPS, re-routing, weather, etc. are very useful. The problem comes when you load social media apps onto your mobile phone. I've read research that says getting "likes" or some other sort of positive reinforcement gives you a dopamine hit, so you tend to repeat that behavior. Putting the social media apps on a mobile phone means you're getting those dopamine hits constantly. It literally functions like an addiction, and it becomes a vicious circle. I want my phone to do three things: phone calls, SMS/texts, and photos, That's it. I don't own a smart phone. I tell people that I don't want a phone that's smarter than I am, but the truth is, I spend enough time on my computer at night, and having a smart phone would end up with me spending huge amounts of time on it when I really should be doing other things.
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We're both IT people and just spent 90 minutes in the driveway in the Escape....Lotsa fun, very cool stuff. Love that tech. :)
Wait till you have to change the battery in that Escape. Remove the windshield wipers, remove the cowl panel, remove the lower drain panel...just to get to it. I like my lo-tech Galaxie, Mustang and '70 truck :)
LOL - I don't work on the daily drivers. Drop it at the dealer, battery plus $120/hr shop rate. Same with oil changes - cheaper to let them do it and way, way less hassle. Just drop off, they run me to work, they come pick me up when the car is ready.
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I didn't want to get into this thread because I'd be spittin' vitriol for weeks. However, I came across this video that was linked in a ZH thread. Kind of amazing what "we" looked like back then.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=166&v=fISgKl8dB3M
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I didn't want to get into this thread because I'd be spittin' vitriol for weeks. However, I came across this video that was linked in a ZH thread. Kind of amazing what "we" looked like back then.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=166&v=fISgKl8dB3M
I sorta looked like that....well, except long greasy hair, beer in one hand, joint in the other, and not as fit... ;D
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I didn't want to get into this thread because I'd be spittin' vitriol for weeks. However, I came across this video that was linked in a ZH thread. Kind of amazing what "we" looked like back then.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=166&v=fISgKl8dB3M
I sorta looked like that....well, except long greasy hair, beer in one hand, joint in the other, and not as fit... ;D
Yeah, I looked just like you when this video was filmed, but I was 6 years old.
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I didn't want to get into this thread because I'd be spittin' vitriol for weeks. However, I came across this video that was linked in a ZH thread. Kind of amazing what "we" looked like back then.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=166&v=fISgKl8dB3M
I sorta looked like that....well, except long greasy hair, beer in one hand, joint in the other, and not as fit... ;D
Yeah, I looked just like you when this video was filmed, but I was 6 years old.
I got in supreme shit when I was ten. There was this corner store about a block from our school, this buddy of mine had parents who were total pisstanks, and we were sneaking over to his house at lunch and raiding the bar. This third kid started pestering us about what we were doing at lunch, so we took him with us. On the way back to school, we stopped at the corner store to get some gum, when we left, we didn’t notice that the “new” guy was missing.
About 20 minutes later, I am sitting in class, just enjoying the warm vodka afterglow, all of a sudden the principle is standing in the door of my classroom talking to my teacher, and they are both looking straight at me, not good.
Turns out the “new” guy, (let’s call him the dipshot) had passed out between the aisles in the corner store, and when they found him and woke him up, the first words out of his mouth was “George did it”. Little bastard... ::) I didn’t fall in with a bad crowd, I WAS the “bad crowd”.
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I was at my doctors office the other day and the subject of smartphones came up. Doc told me that he gets a lot of people in for stiff necks and he just tells them that it's caused from bending your damned head at a 90 degree angle for most of the day. Tells them to see a chiropractor and limit your time on your phone.
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I was at my doctors office the other day and the subject of smartphones came up. Doc told me that he gets a lot of people in for stiff necks and he just tells them that it's caused from bending your damned head at a 90 degree angle for most of the day. Tells them to see a chiropractor and limit your time on your phone.
I saw a news piece on that. It is a real problem affecting many.
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I was at my doctors office the other day and the subject of smartphones came up. Doc told me that he gets a lot of people in for stiff necks and he just tells them that it's caused from bending your damned head at a 90 degree angle for most of the day. Tells them to see a chiropractor and limit your time on your phone.
I saw a news piece on that. It is a real problem affecting many.
So is cancer of the jaw. ;)
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bring the barista over to my place.....after one cup of my coffee, fresh ground Aribica bean, will have him in the men's room wondering if his entrails will pop out of him.
fancy whipped bullcrap doesn't make a cup of JOE.
i share the pain.....
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bring the barista over to my place.....after one cup of my coffee, fresh ground Aribica bean, will have him in the men's room wondering if his entrails will pop out of him.
fancy whipped bullcrap doesn't make a cup of JOE.
i share the pain.....
I buy green beans and roast them. I go to Vietnam every year too, usually buy some beans there, as well as mail ordering Ethiopian and South american beans. Last year I came home with a kilo of a dry processed hybrid robusta bean, I don't usually buy robusta, but this was from a family friends coffee farm, it was a robusta hybrid they have been developing, this was from some beans he aside to submit to overseas buyers, it was surprisingly good. He cupped some for me before I bought, I thought it was dry processed Ethiopian.
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Dunkin Donuts is good enough for me.
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Dunkin Donuts is good enough for me.
My condolencences... ;) ;D
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Folger's is good enough for me.