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FE Power Forums => Non-FE Discussion Forum => Topic started by: FElony on June 26, 2018, 03:39:18 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e07b6oevS0g
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Been following this build. I like it. I am a bit partial to Vics. :) I think they will need some suspension parts from ADTR.net. A guy on the Vic forum makes bolt-in brake/clutch pedal assemblies. Should be a fun ride. I have been wanting to swap a TR3650 into mine.
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Been following this build. I like it. I am a bit partial to Vics. :) I think they will need some suspension parts from ADTR.net. A guy on the Vic forum makes bolt-in brake/clutch pedal assemblies. Should be a fun ride. I have been wanting to swap a TR3650 into mine.
I have been struggling with the idea of putting a blower on mine. I have read where the Roush is too quiet and an underperformer in order to stay smog legal. I haven't looked into Whipple and VMP legalities. Of course, you have to add in headers and trans mods and stuff and pretty soon you've dropped 12k into the car. I'd like to put the car into the 13's N/A, but I'm not sure that can be done without driveability issues. Is there a "formula" for this in the forum?
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I put the OBX stainless longtubes and 2 1/2" exhaust kit on mine. Got it for $700 off fleabay. I have a bone stock trans(4R70W) with 152k miles and intake, throttle body and injectors. 4.10 gear right now. Out of the box 93 tune from SCT. Car runs high 14's @ 93mph. Speed is there to break into the 13's. If I change the converter and do the J-mod to the trans, I think it could run very low 14's. I spent about a grand and picked up 100hp from stock. Mine is just a daily driver now. Got another project eating all my money......
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I put the OBX stainless longtubes and 2 1/2" exhaust kit on mine. Got it for $700 off fleabay. I have a bone stock trans(4R70W) with 152k miles and intake, throttle body and injectors. 4.10 gear right now. Out of the box 93 tune from SCT. Car runs high 14's @ 93mph. Speed is there to break into the 13's. If I change the converter and do the J-mod to the trans, I think it could run very low 14's. I spent about a grand and picked up 100hp from stock. Mine is just a daily driver now. Got another project eating all my money......
The OBX kits I see on eBay are for 2V heads and in the 900+ range in price. Do the 3V's take a different kit?
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The OBX kits I see on eBay are for 2V heads and in the 900+ range in price. Do the 3V's take a different kit?
I bought my exhaust about 2yrs ago. I'm not aware of any kits for a 3V. Yes, the 2, 3, and 4V's all have different exhaust ports/bolt patterns. Are you planning a swap? I would rather go with a 4.6 DOHC than a 3V. Headers are also readily available for the 4V. Not impressed with power potential of a 3V. I understand you can bolt 4V heads onto a 2V block with the ovious matching gaskets, timing cover, v/c's, and intake manifold. Marauders came factory with a 4.6 4V, making it a direct fit. All have the same frame/body structure. A 5.4 has a taller deck height and requires extra fitting. Intake manifold selection narrows.
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Low buck 5spd conversion of Crown Vic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGnMK_-i4PE
Buddy and I talk about doing this to his '91 Merc.
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The OBX kits I see on eBay are for 2V heads and in the 900+ range in price. Do the 3V's take a different kit?
Are you planning a swap?
No, as I mentioned, looking at superchargers. I see an awful lot of hop-up videos for 3V's, Jared. Maybe not as good as a 4V, but doable for what I want. I don't see the point in a blower without adding headers, though. My '06 only has 82k with 278 idle hours, so no real reason to pitch that motor.
We'll see. Right now I am dealing with the ubiquitous peeling paint fiasco, and I need to find the correct carpet kit to replace the rubber floor in a Stone interior. And I have a preliminary design for much better sound system.
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If you want to add the blower, check out this bolt-in kit:
http://adtr.net/product/ford-crown-victoria/adtr-supercharger-system-2003-panthers/
I see they offer 5 speed swap kits now. Cool!
I can say, the headers and exhaust kit is noticeable on a mostly stock car. I could really tell a difference when I installed it. The manifolds choke pretty good and the four cats really suck too. My system(OBX) is catless.
Also, I have heard if you push these engines past 450hp, the powdered metal rods can turn back into a powder...I'm guessing rear wheel hp, I dunno.
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My system(OBX) is catless.
I guess you don't have smog inspections. How does the PCM deal with no cats?
Also, I have heard if you push these engines past 450hp, the powdered metal rods can turn back into a powder...I'm guessing rear wheel hp, I dunno.
Shouldn't there be x amount of experience with this situation in the forum?
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I was thinking real hard about a new Bullitt Mustwang. Really hard. And now I see that the MT-82 trans and clutch are still substandard pieces of shit. Back to thinking about a T/A Challenger with a 6.4. Cuz moar low-end torque.
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I haven't looked into Whipple and VMP LEGALITIES.
Who are you & what have you done with Felony?!
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I haven't looked into Whipple and VMP LEGALITIES.
Who are you & what have you done with Felony?!
I put too much soy sauce on my Egg Fu Yung and turned into a pussy. Meow.
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My system(OBX) is catless.
I guess you don't have smog inspections. How does the PCM deal with no cats?
Also, I have heard if you push these engines past 450hp, the powdered metal rods can turn back into a powder...I'm guessing rear wheel hp, I dunno.
Shouldn't there be x amount of experience with this situation in the forum?
No inspection for me. Pretty rural northern IL. Easy for the PCM. I used the SCT tuner and just turned off the rear O2's. I also turned off EGR and capped off the header. I was going to block off the EGR at the intake, but turns out there is a redundant MAP sensor integrated with it. If you remove/unplug it, the CEL comes on. So, for now the valve is there, just turned off. Speed limiter- off, raise rev limiter- check, shift firmness- check, 4.10 gear- check.
I don't have the x amount experience with that, yet........Car sees 6k on a almost daily basis. Never a problem. It's my winter beater too. Always leave it on the 93 tune. I just haven't pushed it that far yet to see a failure, so I'm relying on the everely honest internet to go by(minor sarcasm). Like some people scared of stock 390 rods. I ran them to 7k, no polished beams, and stock(original) bolts too.
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My system(OBX) is catless.
I guess you don't have smog inspections. How does the PCM deal with no cats?
Also, I have heard if you push these engines past 450hp, the powdered metal rods can turn back into a powder...I'm guessing rear wheel hp, I dunno.
Shouldn't there be x amount of experience with this situation in the forum?
No inspection for me. Pretty rural northern IL. Easy for the PCM. I used the SCT tuner and just turned off the rear O2's. I also turned off EGR and capped off the header. I was going to block off the EGR at the intake, but turns out there is a redundant MAP sensor integrated with it. If you remove/unplug it, the CEL comes on. So, for now the valve is there, just turned off. Speed limiter- off, raise rev limiter- check, shift firmness- check, 4.10 gear- check.
I don't have the x amount experience with that, yet........Car sees 6k on a almost daily basis. Never a problem. It's my winter beater too. Always leave it on the 93 tune. I just haven't pushed it that far yet to see a failure, so I'm relying on the everely honest internet to go by(minor sarcasm). Like some people scared of stock 390 rods. I ran them to 7k, no polished beams, and stock(original) bolts too.
I guess I need to spend some time in the CV forum and get some feedback from guys who have to stay smog legal. I'm not sure how much of what you have programmed will get discovered at inspection. I do have 4.10's in a box.
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I was thinking real hard about a new Bullitt Mustwang. Really hard. And now I see that the MT-82 trans and clutch are still substandard pieces of shit. Back to thinking about a T/A Challenger with a 6.4. Cuz moar low-end torque.
I wouldn't let a few ding dongs with delusions of grandeur of being the next Ronnie Sox sway you away from a new mustang. I remember back in 5.0 fox body days that some guy's could run in the 11's with a stock T5 with no problems and others couldn't run under 14 seconds without breaking theirs. Is the MT-82 The best manual trans? No. Should Ford have put the Tremec from the GT350 in all the mustangs? Probably, or at least made it an option. As far as I know the new Mustangs have the same twin disc clutch as the GT350's. If you haven't driven a new Mustang yet you need to. They are down on torque compared to the other two but having sat in all three the Mustang was the best choice. If I didn't already have a GT350 a 2019 Bullitt with magna ride and active exhaust would be on order.
As to the Crown Vic. Any version of the 4.6 is outdated technology. I have a 4.6 in my 61 f100 and would like it to make more power but keep coming back to the fact that the dollar per return just isn't there with a 2v 4.6l. If you want more power do a Coyote swap or even better a 6.2l Raptor swap.
I wasn't aware that Ford put a 3v in the CV.
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I was thinking real hard about a new Bullitt Mustwang. Really hard. And now I see that the MT-82 trans and clutch are still substandard pieces of shit. Back to thinking about a T/A Challenger with a 6.4. Cuz moar low-end torque.
I wouldn't let a few ding dongs with delusions of grandeur of being the next Ronnie Sox sway you away from a new mustang. I remember back in 5.0 fox body days that some guy's could run in the 11's with a stock T5 with no problems and others couldn't run under 14 seconds without breaking theirs. Is the MT-82 The best manual trans? No. Should Ford have put the Tremec from the GT350 in all the mustangs? Probably, or at least made it an option. As far as I know the new Mustangs have the same twin disc clutch as the GT350's. If you haven't driven a new Mustang yet you need to. They are down on torque compared to the other two but having sat in all three the Mustang was the best choice. If I didn't already have a GT350 a 2019 Bullitt with magna ride and active exhaust would be on order.
As to the Crown Vic. Any version of the 4.6 is outdated technology. I have a 4.6 in my 61 f100 and would like it to make more power but keep coming back to the fact that the dollar per return just isn't there with a 2v 4.6l. If you want more power do a Coyote swap or even better a 6.2l Raptor swap.
I wasn't aware that Ford put a 3v in the CV.
I think all the 2V's morphed into VVT 3V's during 2004. My F-150 is a 2005 with a 5.4 3V. I still have my '97 CV with a 2V. The '06 is noticeably faster. Both have 3.27 gears. Option C or D or F ( ::) ) is to put a 393W into the '97 and just swap license plates from the '06 when I want to bomb around. I have alloy heads and an Adney Brown crank; just need a cam.
Visually, to me, the Challenger T/A wins hands down in looks, as it is the closest to its classic counterpart of any of the present pony cars. I kinda don't think I'll wind up with anything new, though. It would look like I'm trying to gain some respectability, and nobody that knows me is gonna buy that for a dollar.
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As to the Crown Vic. Any version of the 4.6 is outdated technology. I have a 4.6 in my 61 f100 and would like it to make more power but keep coming back to the fact that the dollar per return just isn't there with a 2v 4.6l. If you want more power do a Coyote swap or even better a 6.2l Raptor swap.
I wasn't aware that Ford put a 3v in the CV.
I don't know about ANY. the 4.6 Terminator from '03-04 Cobras will compete easily with a Coyote with the same type of budget on parts. They were overbuilt from the factory. Nice forged cranks, Manley rods, etc. They can easily handle 900-1000hp on the stock bottom end. The Coyote you have to worry about oil pump gears grenading. I will agree there is much room for improvement on a 2V. Having said that, I am a big fan of Coyotes. I have driven a couple new GT350's. Very impressive in stock form. I have driven a tuned Boss 302, and was also impressed.
They didn't put a 3V in a Crown Vic.
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As to the Crown Vic. Any version of the 4.6 is outdated technology. I have a 4.6 in my 61 f100 and would like it to make more power but keep coming back to the fact that the dollar per return just isn't there with a 2v 4.6l. If you want more power do a Coyote swap or even better a 6.2l Raptor swap.
I wasn't aware that Ford put a 3v in the CV.
I don't know about ANY. the 4.6 Terminator from '03-04 Cobras will compete easily with a Coyote with the same type of budget on parts. They were overbuilt from the factory. Nice forged cranks, Manley rods, etc. They can easily handle 900-1000hp on the stock bottom end. The Coyote you have to worry about oil pump gears grenading. I will agree there is much room for improvement on a 2V. Having said that, I am a big fan of Coyotes. I have driven a couple new GT350's. Very impressive in stock form. I have driven a tuned Boss 302, and was also impressed.
They didn't put a 3V in a Crown Vic.
Then why does the OBX header application stop at 2004? I'm gonna go outside and look at both engines side-by-side.
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I don't think the 3V was a change for everything. I have an 05 Triton 6.8 V10 3V but the new F550's still use a 2V V10.
The 3V looks quite different from a 2V so it should be easy to tell.
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I don't think the 3V was a change for everything. I have an 05 Triton 6.8 V10 3V but the new F550's still use a 2V V10.
The 3V looks quite different from a 2V so it should be easy to tell.
With all the crap around them, I can't really tell. The valve covers are a little different, but my observation is inconclusive. I did do some homework, though, and Jared's claim that there aren't any factory 3V Vics appears to be correct. Oddly, I did find some posts from other people thinking as I, so at least I feel a little better wallowing in my ignorant douchebaggedness.
Unfortunately, dumping a ton of money into this Vic's engine via a supercharger is just not too attractive to me now. Thousands to wind up where a warmed-over 390 can be. Where the mods shine is at the level that Cleetus is at: great flowing heads and 20 lbs of boost. It seems that an Aluminator crate with the 9.5 compression with a top-notch blower would be a killer setup, but I'm guessing you'd be in the 25k neighborhood at least with all the necessary bumper-to-bumper upgrades.
I emailed OBX about that year application thing, but nothing back yet. It appears that is an incomplete system, anyway.
Maybe we are not in the wrong hobby after all. I dunno. I'm so confused. I need a drink. Several drinks. And a lobotomy. Yep.