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FE Power Forums => FE Technical Forum => Topic started by: preaction on April 13, 2017, 01:00:50 PM
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Is there any news from the posts of a year ago ?
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There is, actually. To start with, this wasn't going to be my block. A manufacturer who has done multiple engine block designs was making an FE block design and was planning to manufacture it. He contacted me about some design suggestions and I gave him several ideas on how to make the block better and more interesting to the FE community; these design suggestions included the option to machine for a spread bore spacing, and also the option to raise the cam for more stroke. His plan was to be manufacturing prototype blocks by now, and once in production I would be able to distribute them for him. See the original post for more information:
http://fepower.net/simplemachinesforum/index.php?topic=3943.0
Fast forward to now from the original post, and here is the status:
Cylinder heads and intakes: I am moving forward on these, since I have complete control on this design. I hope to release the parts as production items by the end of the year. I should have prototypes on the dyno by mid summer, and will be posting information on them at that time.
Blocks: The block manufacturer has not made a lot of progress. He has incorporated some of my suggestions into the design, but has not finished it, or gone to start machining patterns for the casting. Apparently he has been tied up with other projects. As a result I have been looking at potentially doing the block work myself, but based on his design.
I have been talking to a machine shop that is capable of doing all the machining on an FE block, and in fact is already machining blocks for another application. They have provided me with a tentative quote for getting the machining on a block done, and also doing fixtures, tooling, and programming.
About two months ago I visited two foundries about casting a block design, one for casting in aluminum and the other for casting in cast iron. After providing some information on the design, they were also able to give me a ballpark price for the castings.
Then, a couple of weeks ago I visited the block manufacturer, to see about getting the design changes I wanted made, and purchasing the design of the block. I had a very good meeting with him, and came away from it thinking it was do-able, but also with more questions for the machining outfit.
Moving towards actually going forward with the block has proven to be an iterative process, and I expect more conversations with the machine shop, foundries, and block manufacturer before I pull the trigger on the block for sure. But I'm excited about it, due to the really cool design features that can be built in. If I end up going forward with the block, I think it will be head and shoulders above any other block on the market, in terms of performance potential and flexibility.
I expect by the beginning of June I will either pull the trigger on the block project, or abandon it. If I go forward I will post a LOT more information on the design specifics of the block.
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Cool! More IS better!
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Jay, just a thought, but given the fact that you will not get rich from this, or even make any money, have you thought about doing a crowd funding campaign?
There is a reasonable community of FE fans, but it is widely distributed and not easy to get to by traditional means (land or air travel, mail) but crowd funding is effective to motivate a community.
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Just a humble suggestion Jay, but have you considered back-engineering a Cammer block? Think---"What can I leave off, if this block were to be used with a set of Cammer heads"? And then do the cutting program in such a way that an entire cam tunnel could be cut if the block were to be destined for pushrods. The lack of a cam tunnel, except in the front, would make for a stronger block. And casting the front solid instead of just separate bulkheads would strengthen the front as well if a stub cam were to be needed.
In essence, if the core of the engine were to be solid, the block would be much more rigid. But with the right machining program, the traditional accessories could still be accommodated. Paying attention to the filter mounting pad, such that the 'in' and 'out' holes are spaced so as to avoid interference would also be a plus.
KS
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Jay, just a thought, but given the fact that you will not get rich from this, or even make any money, have you thought about doing a crowd funding campaign?
There is a reasonable community of FE fans, but it is widely distributed and not easy to get to by traditional means (land or air travel, mail) but crowd funding is effective to motivate a community.
I have thought about that, but my experience with these things makes me a little reluctant to try something like that. Its not just a matter of the money. If I had a crowd funding setup and it reached the financial goal, there might still be things that would kill the project. All kinds of stuff can go wrong along the way, and even if successful the projects always take longer than expected. I just don't want to be the guy who everybody complains about because they've given money and haven't gotten anything. Its not the way I would want to be treated, and I don't want to treat anybody else that way either.
As it is, with the block, my plan would be to fund the first prototypes all the way through the machining process myself, so that I would have the complete recipe to build them. But then, due to the high cost of ordering 50 or 100 block castings, I would want to get deposits from customers before I went to the foundry with the production order. Again I feel a little reluctant taking deposits, but if I've already done a few successful blocks, there wouldn't be any doubt that I could deliver them in production, and I could probably offer a reasonably accurate time frame for delivery, so it wouldn't be one of those open-ended deals like so many of the others us FE guys have experienced in the past.
Anyway, thanks for the suggestion, but I'm going to proceed as described above unless something major changes...
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Just a humble suggestion Jay, but have you considered back-engineering a Cammer block? Think---"What can I leave off, if this block were to be used with a set of Cammer heads"? And then do the cutting program in such a way that an entire cam tunnel could be cut if the block were to be destined for pushrods. The lack of a cam tunnel, except in the front, would make for a stronger block. And casting the front solid instead of just separate bulkheads would strengthen the front as well if a stub cam were to be needed.
In essence, if the core of the engine were to be solid, the block would be much more rigid. But with the right machining program, the traditional accessories could still be accommodated. Paying attention to the filter mounting pad, such that the 'in' and 'out' holes are spaced so as to avoid interference would also be a plus.
KS
I don't know, Ken, I think that would add a lot of cost to the block in terms of machining, since the vast majority of the block would have the cam tunnel. I have thought about completely enclosing the cam tunnel in the casting, so that the cam is completely contained, but that is also difficult when considering the raised cam option I want to offer. So I think I'll probably stay conventional in that area...
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Jay, just a thought, but given the fact that you will not get rich from this, or even make any money, have you thought about doing a crowd funding campaign?
There is a reasonable community of FE fans, but it is widely distributed and not easy to get to by traditional means (land or air travel, mail) but crowd funding is effective to motivate a community.
I have thought about that, but my experience with these things makes me a little reluctant to try something like that. Its not just a matter of the money. If I had a crowd funding setup and it reached the financial goal, there might still be things that would kill the project. All kinds of stuff can go wrong along the way, and even if successful the projects always take longer than expected. I just don't want to be the guy who everybody complains about because they've given money and haven't gotten anything. Its not the way I would want to be treated, and I don't want to treat anybody else that way either.
As it is, with the block, my plan would be to fund the first prototypes all the way through the machining process myself, so that I would have the complete recipe to build them. But then, due to the high cost of ordering 50 or 100 block castings, I would want to get deposits from customers before I went to the foundry with the production order. Again I feel a little reluctant taking deposits, but if I've already done a few successful blocks, there wouldn't be any doubt that I could deliver them in production, and I could probably offer a reasonably accurate time frame for delivery, so it wouldn't be one of those open-ended deals like so many of the others us FE guys have experienced in the past.
Anyway, thanks for the suggestion, but I'm going to proceed as described above unless something major changes...
Jay,
I do very much appreciate your desire to protect your excellent reputation. Having said that, the true dynamic of a crowdfunding program is that the "sponsors" are actually making a donation. They are not buying anything, and they need to have the expectation that if the project held no risk and was not expensive and time consuming, then it wouldn't need crowd funding.
I would donate $100 to your research efforts on this, including the prototyping work, without a second thought. The role of the crowdfunding site (be it indigogo or Kickstarter) is to insulate the fund raiser from any liability to the funders.
If you make it clear that: - You believe the world needs a reasonably priced and readily available FE block with a few improvements over the previously available designs
- The cost and risk to get it to production will never be compensated by sales revenue - which is why there isn't one out there
- It is possible the project can fail at one of many places - the design is known and not radical, but to get it made involves prototyping and prototypes fail, if you do get a working block made you may not be able to get it made at a reasonable cost at adequate quality in quantities that make it feasible, and finally, there may not be a decent sized market for them when made.
You already do an excellent job of reporting on your projects, and that is what your crowdfunding audience really want, as well as the knowledge that they can get a lovely new block if they want and can afford one.
The key to funding the project is to reach a motivated audience who would like to see it succeed. "427 FEPower" stickers would be an adequate giveaway.
You have a couple of platforms available to promote the project, this forum being one of them.
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Except for families with deep medical bills from cancer or a sick child, I'm REALLY not a fan of "Fund Me" stuff. Just my opinion, but it seems like the person is saying "Give me money so that I can succeed and you'll get nothing in return". I realize the block could be a reality that way, but you'd still be paying full price for your 'investment'. It always seems like a scam to me. Like I said though, JMO. Now if we got something like 50% off the purchase price...well, that would be different ;D
I have thought about completely enclosing the cam tunnel in the casting, so that the cam is completely contained, but that is also difficult when considering the raised cam option I want to offer.
Not to mention it would probably add another 20+ lbs to an already heavy block. Aftermarket blocks already add about 50+ lbs over a stock one.
A couple questions though; would a raised cam play havoc with rocker arms? Obviously the geometry would be different, but would it create a problem where the pushrod meets the rocker, or are we only talking about a couple hundred thousandths? Would a big lobe still have clearance to the lifter bore? This would also effectively raise the lifter, so wouldn't the lifter bore have to be raised to accommodate a big lobe?
Also, how close is the top gear to the cover? I never measured to see how close it is and wonder if it would possibly hit?
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Doug, I'm with you on the crowd funding thing. Not that its a scam, but I don't like the idea of asking for donations, and I've never given any unless its been a worthy medical cause.
On my block design the cam can be raised 0.400". The lifter bores have to be raised the same amount. It would change the pushrod angle, but I think if anything it would help with pushrod to rocker interference, since this usually occurs between the pushrod and the rocker body. Raising the lifter should move the pushrod away from the rocker body. The block would be cast so that the lifter bores can be machined in either location, and the excess material cut away; should be no issue with cam lobe clearance. A factory timing cover will not work, but one of my covers with the removable plate will work, I just have to add one machining operation to the timing cover. I had that in mind when I designed those covers. Part of the master plan... ;D
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Jay, would a modern design belt drive system, ala' Pro Stock/Comp Eliminator, fit under one of your covers? Just askin' as some racers might also want to run same.
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A lot of people have a wrong view of crowdfunding. Small companies and entrepreneurs (like you Jay) find it really hard to find risk capital today. There is a reason for this and it is called Wall Street. I've worked on Wall Street and capital markets were my business. Forgive the lesson, but Glass-Stegall prevented investment banks from being owned by commercial banks.
When it was repealed it meant that the small investment banks were crushed or absorbed, and now if a deal isn't worth a billion (I'm not making up that number) you don't get any investment bank interested. Funding small companies became the exclusive domain of venture funds, and if you don't promise to become a billion dollar deal, they aren't interested.
Crowdfunding lets people like me say - "I like what you are doing and I think I'd like to see that, and I'll take some of the risk away from you".
As I said, I'd donate a $100 if it meant that a good new block at a reasonable price came on the market, and it came sooner rather than later. I think you wouldn't find it hard to find at least 100 more like me.
Sadly, unlike the SBC crowd, we can't wait for Edelbrock to decide there is enough profit in it, so we can continue to look forward to walking up to a really nice 34 Ford and seeing a cursed SBC sitting in it.
Where can I send my $100?
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Crowdfunding lets people like me say - "I like what you are doing and I think I'd like to see that, and I'll take some of the risk away from you".
Where can I send my $100?
I'm currently funding a stroker engine based on my Sideoiler Garage Block. Who wouldn't like to see that? I'll PM you my address ;D ;D
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Jay , I think you are a straight up guy and I appreciate it . thanks for all of your hard work .
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I'm currently funding a stroker engine based on my Sideoiler Garage Block. Who wouldn't like to see that? I'll PM you my address ;D ;D
Well that is the difference, one is a project that benefits the individual, one benefits the many.
I would like to see your '58 wagon. Always loved wagons. Maybe I should hotrod one when I get board with the F100.
Probably too far to drive, how about a picture. I'd pay a dollar for that.
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Would a raised cam tunnel resulting in different pushrod angles cause required grinding in the pushrod holes in the heads?
Maybe the block could be designed so a flat plate would bolt in underneath the cam tunnel.
Would the block have Cammer oil drainback holes?
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Well that is the difference, one is a project that benefits the individual, one benefits the many.
I would like to see your '58 wagon.
I'll offer a ride for anyone who donates $100 or more...lol (kidding of course, I don't want anybodies money)
Here it is in '88, when I drug it home. Flat towing it with my '77 Wagon. It's in storage right now (the '58, the '77 is long gone after going through 3 engines).
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/cjshaker/e2a67edb-be75-4380-b7e4-bfe4badb0333.jpg) (http://s43.photobucket.com/user/cjshaker/media/e2a67edb-be75-4380-b7e4-bfe4badb0333.jpg.html)
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Getting off topic, but sweet. Love wagons, especially 3 door.
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Would a raised cam tunnel resulting in different pushrod angles cause required grinding in the pushrod holes in the heads?
Maybe the block could be designed so a flat plate would bolt in underneath the cam tunnel.
Would the block have Cammer oil drainback holes?
The raised cam might require grinding the pushrod holes in the intake. A lot of times you have to do that anyway, though. Also, if you bought one of my intake adapters for the raised cam block, the holes would already be ground for you ;-)
Cammer drainback holes would also be included.
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Cylinder heads and intakes: I am moving forward on these, since I have complete control on this design. I hope to release the parts as production items by the end of the year. I should have prototypes on the dyno by mid summer, and will be posting information on them at that time.
On a scale from 1 to 10.......tell me you're making new tunnelport heads.
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1. Tunnel port heads are just not happening, for me anyway. Too many other irons in the fire, including my own heads...
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including my own heads...
;D Time frame ??????
And yippee
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including my own heads...
;D Time frame ??????
And yippee
I should have prototypes to run on the dyno this summer, and production heads by the end of this year.
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I should have prototypes to run on the dyno this summer, and production heads by the end of this year.
And this is why it's important to check fepower.net on a daily basis :o
Any idea when some port and combustion chamber info will be made to the peasants? ;)
Normally, right about now, I'd be thinking "Why another head when we need blocks...available?" But at this point, ANYTHING that becomes available, actually, physically available, seems to be a blessing. Lots of new production stuff out there, that doesn't seem to be in production >:(
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I am keeping the project under wraps for the most part but I will tell you this much. My heads will require a special FE intake adapter, and one of three special intake manifolds just for this adapter. They will also require my custom rocker arms. They are a complete departure from the standard FE head architecture, so anyone who buys my heads will have to buy the complete package. The only normal FE parts that will fit will be the valve covers, and in one version, the pistons and headers. Another version will require custom pistons and headers. Normal FE intake manifolds and rocker arms will not fit, and of course custom pushrods will be required.
The payoff, if the package works out the way I think it will, will be performance that is head and shoulders above any FE combination out there, and at a reasonable price.
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Heh heh
The block for the Fairlane is just sitting, and waiting for me to finish the mustang.
Will the gaskets need to be custom?
I know a guy ;)
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Another version will require custom pistons and headers.
I think he's making a hemi head guys.
Scale from 1 to 10, Jay
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Only normal Fe part that fit is valvecover so i dont think Hemi ???
Headers,Pistons,intake and rockers different. I have an idea what
it may be...lets se later if im right ....something "Forky" going on Jay? ;)
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What are you going to call your new heads Jay? Ultra high riser or super high riser, or??? FE Power heads, twisted power, or trunk monkey heads?? LOL. I don't think you will need a "catchy" name, but... inquiring minds want to know. Maybe we need a poll and vote on it?
I guess my "custom" HR top end will be obsolete before it is even finished? I know... what is taking me so long, right?
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I am keeping the project under wraps for the most part but I will tell you this much. My heads will require a special FE intake adapter, and one of three special intake manifolds just for this adapter. They will also require my custom rocker arms. They are a complete departure from the standard FE head architecture, so anyone who buys my heads will have to buy the complete package. The only normal FE parts that will fit will be the valve covers, and in one version, the pistons and headers. Another version will require custom pistons and headers. Normal FE intake manifolds and rocker arms will not fit, and of course custom pushrods will be required.
The payoff, if the package works out the way I think it will, will be performance that is head and shoulders above any FE combination out there, and at a reasonable price.
Sigh. haven't finished the last one yet. My wife is gonna kill me.
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What are you going to call your new heads Jay? Ultra high riser or super high riser, or??? FE Power heads, twisted power, or trunk monkey heads?? LOL. I don't think you will need a "catchy" name, but... inquiring minds want to know. Maybe we need a poll and vote on it?
I guess my "custom" HR top end will be obsolete before it is even finished? I know... what is taking me so long, right?
I vote for Super Super Cobra Jet. Or S2CJ :o
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How about "Brownies".
Nah, that's no good....LOL! ;)
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Maybe just call them 'Wonderful'?
KS
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Maybe just call them 'Wonderful'?
KS
Or "Awesome", "Frikken Eh", has to be many more, but I see your point. I am not complaining!
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My pal Royce Brechler thinks I should call them the "World Domination" heads ;D ;D ;D Cracks me up, but I just can't bring myself to do that.
NOT a hemi...
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My heads will require a special FE intake adapter, and one of three special intake manifolds just for this adapter. They will also require my custom rocker arms. They are a complete departure from the standard FE head architecture, so anyone who buys my heads will have to buy the complete package. The only normal FE parts that will fit will be the valve covers, and in one version, the pistons and headers. Another version will require custom pistons and headers. Normal FE intake manifolds and rocker arms will not fit, and of course custom pushrods will be required.
I'm guessing they will have canted valves by the sound of it? Maybe something like these?
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Nope, inline valves in the traditional fashion. Moved around a little, maybe...
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Call them "Special Js". Watch out for the Kellogg people... 8)
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True 4V heads?
as in 4 valves per pot? That be a modern twist.
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Kinda surprised and maybe a little disappointed the new heads were not high port SOHC heads. Maybe that's deep under wraps as Phase II.
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Nope, inline valves in the traditional fashion. Moved around a little, maybe...
You realize that there is only one person that can come up with an attitude-laden name for something that will stick and become a success, right?
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How about "Super Duper Cobra Jet"? ;D
Or maybe "High as a Kite Riser", or go all out with "Swat Team Interceptor". 8)
Or give it an international appeal with "Chunnel Port" :o
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Well, since we are throwing out names, good, bad, and worse; how about High Power - as in high port FE-Power.
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Kinda surprised and maybe a little disappointed the new heads were not high port SOHC heads. Maybe that's deep under wraps as Phase II.
I'm going to be working with a guy on those, but its a ways out yet...
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You realize that there is only one person that can come up with an attitude-laden name for something that will stick and become a success, right?
Of course I realize that. I'm waiting... ;D
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How about "Super Duper Cobra Jet"? ;D
Or maybe "High as a Kite Riser", or go all out with "Swat Team Interceptor". 8)
Or give it an international appeal with "Chunnel Port" :o
Slow day at the office, Hemi Joel?
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Jay, we both know what the real name will be LOL... Have your trade marked it yet?
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From a consumer stand point, I'm more curious about the cost considering the heads, intake and related parts will have to be bought as a package deal. Jay, do you have a ballpark figure in mind?
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I don't yet, I haven't gotten all the costs worked out. I am targeting it to be equivalent to a set of CNC ported heads complete, plus a rocker set and an intake manifold like a Victor that is ported to match. But I don't have the information I need yet to put a number on it.
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Jay, will the new heads drop the OEM Ford R-L-L-R exhaust port bend for straight out ports?
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There will be one version using the factory exhaust port location, and a second version with raised, straight-out ports.
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How about "Super Duper Cobra Jet"? ;D
Or maybe "High as a Kite Riser", or go all out with "Swat Team Interceptor". 8)
Or give it an international appeal with "Chunnel Port" :o
Slow day at the office, Hemi Joel?
Just trying to be helpful... :)
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Jay, it sounds like a huge project that not many would tackle or would want to especially for the FE considering the time involved and not even mentioning the costs involved, Thanks.
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I think a good name would be JBX Heads as in I just won the name contest and got my FE a new set of JBX's 8) 8).
You are doing a lot for the FE crowd so why not incorporate your name into it!
JBX may not be as cool as "World Dominators"....but sounds like the "coiner" on that may have it trade marked already HAHA! When I saw that for some reason I thought of the old cartoon Pinky and the Brain!
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You realize that there is only one person that can come up with an attitude-laden name for something that will stick and become a success, right?
Of course I realize that. I'm waiting... ;D
I'll wait for a prototype so I can channel the spirits accordingly. However, if you do not plan to inscribe said name (pending approval) into said item like someone else I know, then tell me know so I don't have a tizzy over it. I watched my personal name and a killer tag line vaporize through lack of follow-up promotion. Not doing that again.
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You realize that there is only one person that can come up with an attitude-laden name for something that will stick and become a success, right?
Of course I realize that. I'm waiting... ;D
I'll wait for a prototype so I can channel the spirits accordingly. However, if you do not plan to inscribe said name (pending approval) into said item like someone else I know, then tell me know so I don't have a tizzy over it. I watched my personal name and a killer tag line vaporize through lack of follow-up promotion. Not doing that again.
Your spirit guide is a weasel. A funny weasel, but still a weasel......
JBX Heads is the best name I've seen here, in my opinion. No, not "amazingly creative". Still, it sounds cool, has the right references to the creator and the intent, and it's easy to remember and say.
JMO,
paulie
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I think JBX-R's (or JB-XX's) would be good for the altered port head. Again, not over the top in terms of literary creativity, but it would work good.
JMO,
paulie
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I have to admit that the name for the heads is the last thing on my list to think about. Been spending a bunch of time thinking about the ports and the water jackets. In the paraphrased words of Carroll Shelby, "Let's call it the GT-350. If the car is good, the name won't matter. And if the car isn't good, the name won't matter..."
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Well there you go. The spirit of the engineer speaks. And the right attitude if I may say so If the heads are right the name doesn't matter.
As long as they're not "FErret Flow 360's".
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427 CFM would be a nice number to start with a high performance head for the serious FE. Needs to flow at least 360/250 cfm as cast to be a player, and have good port velocity. Would then be competitive with any aftermarket head for the other brands. Most heads can be ported to pick up at least 20% flow over the cast shape or size if the casting is at least .250" thick on the walls. Of course more cfm would be a bonus! Joe-JDC
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I'll wait for a prototype so I can channel the spirits accordingly. However, if you do not plan to inscribe said name (pending approval) into said item like someone else I know, then tell me know so I don't have a tizzy over it. I watched my personal name and a killer tag line vaporize through lack of follow-up promotion. Not doing that again.
Your spirit guide is a weasel. A funny weasel, but still a weasel......
C'mon, I've mentioned several times that my spirit guide is a toad named Shaman who lives in my back yard, which is located on Indian burial grounds. Try to keep up. There are many wise spirits here. With a little (or a lot of) peyote we can get quite the jam session going. Trust me, you can't just make this stuff up.
JBX Heads is the best name I've seen here, in my opinion. No, not "amazingly creative". Still, it sounds cool, has the right references to the creator and the intent, and it's easy to remember and say.
JMO,
paulie
I'm telling you, peyote will help with that senility problem. I'll send you some; you'll see.
I have to admit that the name for the heads is the last thing on my list to think about. Been spending a bunch of time thinking about the ports and the water jackets. In the paraphrased words of Carroll Shelby, "Let's call it the GT-350. If the car is good, the name won't matter. And if the car isn't good, the name won't matter..."
Been hanging around with Kenneth, what with that 60's relevance to today stuff? Because, performance guys back then would have been mucho impressed driving around in an Elantra or Accord. Of course, there was the Camaro. Whoever came up with that was obviously on Owsley Purple.
Look, I get it. Whatever you call it, make sure it flows enough to use this BBM doorstop intake I bought in October and have yet to open its box. Good luck with your endeavor.
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I'll wait for a prototype so I can channel the spirits accordingly. However, if you do not plan to inscribe said name (pending approval) into said item like someone else I know, then tell me know so I don't have a tizzy over it. I watched my personal name and a killer tag line vaporize through lack of follow-up promotion. Not doing that again.
Your spirit guide is a weasel. A funny weasel, but still a weasel......
C'mon, I've mentioned several times that my spirit guide is a toad named Shaman who lives in my back yard, which is located on Indian burial grounds. Try to keep up. There are many wise spirits here. With a little (or a lot of) peyote we can get quite the jam session going. Trust me, you can't just make this stuff up.
JBX Heads is the best name I've seen here, in my opinion. No, not "amazingly creative". Still, it sounds cool, has the right references to the creator and the intent, and it's easy to remember and say.
JMO,
paulie
I'm telling you, peyote will help with that senility problem. I'll send you some; you'll see.
I have to admit that the name for the heads is the last thing on my list to think about. Been spending a bunch of time thinking about the ports and the water jackets. In the paraphrased words of Carroll Shelby, "Let's call it the GT-350. If the car is good, the name won't matter. And if the car isn't good, the name won't matter..."
Been hanging around with Kenneth, what with that 60's relevance to today stuff? Because, performance guys back then would have been mucho impressed driving around in an Elantra or Accord. Of course, there was the Camaro. Whoever came up with that was obviously on Owsley Purple.
Look, I get it. Whatever you call it, make sure it flows enough to use this BBM doorstop intake I bought in October and have yet to open its box. Good luck with your endeavor.
I think you and Kenneth would agree that benzadrine would be better than peyote for my memory issues.
I'm just super-glad that we're talking about cylinder heads which are the heart and soul of any internal combustion engine. It's all about moving air and harvesting as much of the increasing entropy that you can. In the end we'll all be just a sea of energy and sub-atomic particles. So let's ride this wave until it hits the beach. Yeah, I know, I can move some serious air myself. wah....wah....waaaaaah......
Be thankful that your spirit guide isn't a hamster with gender identification issues. I'm doing the best I can....
Go get 'em, Jay!
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I'm thinking either T-Rex or simply Dino Power heads- the FE is of course the old dinosaur engine- proudly by its fans, derisively by the Chebbrainwashed. Love the idea of a T-Rex that will bite your Chebbie on the ass ;D Would also make for a great logo opportunity on the end of the head
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I actually like the JBX, other possibles could be FEX or FE-XE or JB-XE as the "cool" parts from back in the day had XE on them before they had an actual part number, usually associated with experimental race parts from FORD before production runs. Also you see a lot of ROX and LSX ect. not that I give two shits about those heads. Howeever, they do have some badd boys in that line that put anything we currently have available, sad but true.
A few others could be FE-R for (race..ha ha, or R code) or JB-R. Keep them coming, something may catch Jay's eye.
Someone mentioned the expense on having to buy specific rockers and intakes to go with these heads. No big deal as that is how it always is. like if you had a normal 460, versus "A" heads, and "C" heads, all three take specific rockers and intakes to match up with the heads. Look at all the different Chevy head variants, lots of different specific combos, although some series can use the same manifold etc.
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To MeanGene---
:) :) :) :) :) :) :) ;)
KS
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I'm telling you, peyote will help with that senility problem. I'll send you some; you'll see.
Meh mescaline is so 1960's..... Plus most of it comes from Trichocereus these days and not Lophophoras. it's 2017, move up to 4 acetoxy dimethyltryptamine already.
Quicker up, quicker down, 4 hours instead of 14..... who has the time for all day adventures?
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Drew---
Excellent answer. And by the way, the year-and-a-day one just thinks he talks to me. I believe that's what peyote does to you!
KS
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I'm telling you, peyote will help with that senility problem. I'll send you some; you'll see.
Meh mescaline is so 1960's..... Plus most of it comes from Trichocereus these days and not Lophophoras. it's 2017, move up to 4 acetoxy dimethyltryptamine already.
Quicker up, quicker down, 4 hours instead of 14..... who has the time for all day adventures?
All day is where it's at, man. None of that fake stuff for me. Local water company changed irrigation plans for some of the farms a couple years ago, and did something to the water table around here. Now half the neighborhood has lophy cacti patches on their properties, and most don't even know what it is. The older folks next door pulled up some, and I had to rescue them from the trash can in the middle of the night. Put some used cat litter in instead. Fair trade.
So I'm trying to wedge myself into this slot car so I can go on a really fast ride. Got my leg in so far. Should be a total gas, man. Far out.
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I'm thinking either T-Rex or simply Dino Power heads- the FE is of course the old dinosaur engine- proudly by its fans, derisively by the Chebbrainwashed. Love the idea of a T-Rex that will bite your Chebbie on the ass ;D Would also make for a great logo opportunity on the end of the head
I thought of calling them T-Rex heads, and in fact I suggested that to Barry R for his heads when he was starting out with them. For some reason he selected a different name. Some internet suggestion or something... ;D ;D
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I'm thinking either T-Rex or simply Dino Power heads- the FE is of course the old dinosaur engine- proudly by its fans, derisively by the Chebbrainwashed. Love the idea of a T-Rex that will bite your Chebbie on the ass ;D Would also make for a great logo opportunity on the end of the head
I thought of calling them T-Rex heads, and in fact I suggested that to Barry R for his heads when he was starting out with them. For some reason he selected a different name. Some internet suggestion or something... ;D ;D
Well, he has had a darn good run with the Prison Break name, and it tied into the rest pretty well, I thought. Remember the tag line? "FElony heads: Conspiracy to commit horsepower!" Oh, the sheer brilliance that is me.
Still got the chicken coop? How about "BrukBrukBruk Heads: Race at the top of the pecking order!" Perfect, huh? You don't want to lay an egg by ignoring this gem. However, if you want to cluck me over on this, so be it. Won't ruffle my feathers.
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VelociFE..........VelociRaptor
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FE-LIX Design.....was going to add "High Swirl" but that's too Y blockish.