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Title: How much material will crank journal polishing remove?
Post by: ToddK on April 04, 2017, 08:07:40 AM
Spent a few hours today checking the bearing clearances on the engine I recently bought. The mains came in a little on the tight side, at between 0.0019" to 0.0023". However, the rods are way too tight, at around 0.0009" to 0.0014".

Now, I know I could try a different set of rod bearings, but theses are on BBC rods that have been narrowed to FE width, and the bearings have been narrowed as well. What I'm thinking is it may be easier to have the rod journals polished to reduce the diameter down 0.001". Does that sound feasible? How much material, if any, is removed with polishing a journal?
Title: Re: How much material will crank journal polishing remove?
Post by: Falcon67 on April 04, 2017, 08:44:12 AM
I have the same issue on a 351C rotating assembly, where the rods are in the .001~.0015 range.  There are no + oversize anything for a crank pin that is already .010 over, and only one .0005 over for a stock crank 351C application - those are obsolete/eBay only.  I have inquired about polishing and the consensus is - good luck, not interested, can't remove that little material accurately.  It's very hard to control keeping the journal round and not tapered using a sanding belt.  You'd have to use a fairly aggressive belt to actually remove much material.  My plan - when I decide to revisit that pile of parts - is to mic the big end rod bore and probably have those honed out another .0005 or so.  The guy that used to run that machine shop put the pistons on wrong anyway, so they have to go back for rework already.  A quick check seems to indicate the rods are on the small side anyway.

I have talked with many performance people about my issue, including Cailies, SDPC RaceShop, etc.

Note, if this is a stock assembly, tight isn't such a big deal.  I plan to spin mine to 6000+, so I'd like to see at least .002 on the rods.  Mains on mine are good as-is.
Title: Re: How much material will crank journal polishing remove?
Post by: blykins on April 04, 2017, 10:53:30 AM
I wouldn't.

If it were .0001-.0002", then I could see it, but if you try to polish a thou off, you'll never get it round and straight. 

You are better off to get different bearings and just biting the bullet.  A bearing narrowing fixture and a lathe will make short work of it.
Title: Re: How much material will crank journal polishing remove?
Post by: mike7570 on April 04, 2017, 06:30:17 PM
Todd, If you are using BBC rods you had the journal turned down or off set ground to 2.20?
Why don't you sell or trade the crank and start over and have the standard journal turned down to the size you want? (if they can)
Title: Re: How much material will crank journal polishing remove?
Post by: Barry_R on April 04, 2017, 09:19:08 PM
You cannot polish that much material off.

You must grind it.
It can be done by a skilled grinder - I guarantee that because I have it done every week or two.

The geographic distance works against you...

Adney Brown at Performance Crankshaft here in Detroit regularly grinds under a thou for me and repeatedly hits the target dimension.  I have asked for as little as three tenths and he has delivered.
Title: Re: How much material will crank journal polishing remove?
Post by: ToddK on April 04, 2017, 09:36:17 PM
I bought this as a finished package that was supposedly ready to run. I have thought about starting over with a new crank and rods, as I have them. But then I would have to order new pistons, as my new crank is a 4.25" stroke. The crank that came in this engine has been offset ground to 4.00" stroke with the 2.200" rod journal.

I dropped the crank, rods and bearings off to my machinist this morning. He will double check my measurements and also check the rod big end size. He thinks he will be able to remove material from either the rods or crank to get clearance in spec. If he can't, a set of new bearings in 0.009" undersize will be in order.
Title: Re: How much material will crank journal polishing remove?
Post by: blykins on April 05, 2017, 05:10:19 AM
Do not remove material from the rods....you will lose bearing crush. 
Title: Re: How much material will crank journal polishing remove?
Post by: ToddK on April 05, 2017, 06:16:43 AM
Okay, looks like it's either the crank or new bearings.
Title: Re: How much material will crank journal polishing remove?
Post by: Falcon67 on April 05, 2017, 09:36:52 AM
Do not remove material from the rods....you will lose bearing crush.

Agree - I haven't had time to really go over my rod bores with a bore gauge yet so I'm hoping there is material there within spec.  If not, then might have to ship my crank to Barry and get his guy to fix it.  I just don't need the parts for a build right now, so it's not urgent.  That and the dragster build used up about two years of "hot rod money" in 6 months.  But it's still money tied up in engine parts that can't be used so it bugs the !@#$ out of me.
Title: Re: How much material will crank journal polishing remove?
Post by: Leny Mason on April 09, 2017, 08:38:00 AM
Hi, What part of the Country are you in Crouser Kinetics in Missoula  Montana Will do it to, One of the best and a Ford guy. Leny Mason
Title: Re: How much material will crank journal polishing remove?
Post by: XR7 on April 09, 2017, 10:09:34 AM
I think he is a long way from Missoula MT Leny! He is somewhere "down under" in Australia... that is why Barry mentioned the distance problem.
Title: Re: How much material will crank journal polishing remove?
Post by: ToddK on April 09, 2017, 10:35:28 PM
Yes, I'm on the west coast of Australia. About as far away from Michigan as you get.
Title: Re: How much material will crank journal polishing remove?
Post by: Leny Mason on April 10, 2017, 08:51:44 AM
OPS That is a long ways away I think, I have not got to go there yet so I am just guessing. Leny Mason
Title: Re: How much material will crank journal polishing remove?
Post by: stubbie on April 10, 2017, 07:17:07 PM
17,689Km's to be exact. ;D
Title: Re: How much material will crank journal polishing remove?
Post by: mbrunson427 on April 10, 2017, 09:43:19 PM
Leny, I emailed you about Montana, to avoid hijacking this thread.
Title: Re: How much material will crank journal polishing remove?
Post by: Falcon67 on April 11, 2017, 10:27:30 AM
17,689Km's to be exact. ;D

Place your crankshafts in the overhead bin and return your tray tables to the upright position as we prepare for takeoff.
Title: Re: How much material will crank journal polishing remove?
Post by: Heo on April 11, 2017, 10:36:31 AM
They were a bit cranky when i checked in my crank
on the flight home from USA
Title: Re: How much material will crank journal polishing remove?
Post by: cjshaker on April 11, 2017, 01:08:42 PM
They were a bit cranky when i checked in my crank
on the flight home from USA

LOL...Hmm, should fit perfectly in the overhead compartment 8)
Title: Re: How much material will crank journal polishing remove?
Post by: Heo on April 11, 2017, 02:05:28 PM
Hahaha those plastic compartments and a bumpy ride
a 65 lbs crank    A perfect combination for a real headace :o
Title: Re: How much material will crank journal polishing remove?
Post by: ToddK on April 12, 2017, 05:55:00 PM
Although, it wouldn't be any heavier than some of the bags I have seen people try to stuff in overhead lockers. They bring on boards bags so heavy they can't lift them up, and expect our cabin attendants to lift them up for them. Wrong answer. If they want heavy bags to travel with them, into the holds the bags go.
Title: Re: How much material will crank journal polishing remove?
Post by: Falcon67 on April 13, 2017, 10:05:14 PM
LOL, helped more that a few crew or a passenger lift a hefty bag, just trying to help.  I'm eye to eye with the bins, except on an Embraer, then I'm a hunch back.  I can see over the plane going in the door.   :o