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FE Power Forums => FE Technical Forum => Topic started by: Bruce R. on January 21, 2017, 05:18:42 PM
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I picked up my Streetmaster today and the guy offered me a cam new in the box, but he bought them a long time ago and didn't remember whether or not it was for solid lifters or hydraulic. The cam is a Super Stock Ind. no. 10356 . I'm trying to research it on the web but coming up empty so far. Anyone out there know this cam ???
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That cam appears to be an old store brand for Performance Automotive Warehouse (PAW) I would pass on it. It might not even be an FE cam, Lol
Nick
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What happened to PAW ? I bought a lot of parts from them
in the 80s. They was big and now they are gone.
I still have a catalogue from them somewhere was almost
the size of a Phone Catalogue
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I am almost certain that the 10356 is a copy of the big 427 cam, 324 adv, 244@.050, 114 LSA. I have no idea if lift is .600 or something else, and no idea if its on 110 ICL or something different. I just had a reference in some hand written notes as a replacement cam by SSI
BTW, they used to be reliable parts, I used a TON of them as a young guy in the mid and late 80s , they were cheap and had a ton of different cams to choose from. However, back then I was young and didn't degree anything, so who knows if they were what they said they were
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All I've been able to determine is the spec sheet with the cam calls for 1.76:1 rocker ratio which I believe is a solid lifter application. Can hydraulic lifters be used on a solid lifter cam ??? The duration is 245 degrees and 506 lift, fairly " lumpy "
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You shouldn't. but if you have a spec sheet post it LOL
It makes sense it is what I said it was with your additional info, but the cam card would have made it easier from the beginning :)
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You shouldn't. but if you have a spec sheet post it LOL
It makes sense it is what I said it was with your additional info, but the cam card would have made it easier from the beginning :)
I don't know what a cam card is, but here's the specs. I wrote them out and snapped a pic, its easier than flipping the paper back and forth.
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If my rockers are a different ratio that'd change the valve lift and make this cam act like a milder cam, right ?
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Yes, the rocker ratio will change the lift at the valve. If the ratio is smaller it will act milder, ratio larger will make it act hotter.
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Yes, the rocker ratio will change the lift at the valve. If the ratio is smaller it will act milder, ratio larger will make it act hotter.
Have you read the specs I posted ? What could I expect from this cam ?
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The pro engine builders on the forum could probably give you a really good idea if you can provide them the rest of your combination.
That being said, my back yard builder instinct says that cam will be pretty lopey at idle.
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The pro engine builders on the forum could probably give you a really good idea if you can provide them the rest of your combination.
That being said, my back yard builder instinct says that cam will be pretty lopey at idle.
Yo Eric, watched your video, cool pickup ! What's the rpm at idle with that cam ?
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Thanks Bruce! It idles at about 800RPM.
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Yo Eric, just looked at your profile, I used to live at 4502 South Fair Ln., out past Baseline in Tempe, that was back in the 70's. Decided not to use the cam mentioned above, too many unknowns and maybes. Think I'll look into Crane Cams.
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Cool Bruce, you still live in the Phoenix area, or did you have enough of the heat.
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Bruce, any other specs on that cam? Also, where did you get those numbers? Is it possible that those were the way a guy installed it, or are those what is on the box?
Looking for advertised duration, should be in the 300's, likely 324. The reason I ask is that the cam is a bit unique when you look at the valve events on the bottom of your sheet, everything else matches my numbers, but it looks like it has advance ground into it.
The numbers show a 113.5 lobe centerline, but it really should say lobe separation (how far the lobes are spread from each other), and the intake centerline (how far the cam is advanced) calculates to 102 ICL. That is not bad in any way, matter of fact it is good, but because the ICL value doesn't seem to match a stock Ford cam, I am wondering if that was the way a builder degreed it and wrote it down, or how the cam was ground
That being said, IF those numbers on the bottom are the way you install it, and IF the adv duration is 324 (as I expect it is), that cam will have a rowdy sounding idle (just like a rowdy 427 in the day), but you will need approx 11:1 compression to be happy with it on the street
However, I would not attempt to run hydraulic lifters, I would buy a set of roller rockers, or stock style adjustables with lock nuts. You'll get more tuning ability with lash, solid lifters will RPM better, and you don't have to worry about odd behavior combining a solid lifter lash ramp without lash.
In the end though, unless we resolve the advertised duration, and even if we do, the cam should be checked that it is what it is supposed to be and degreed in the block to be put at a centerline that matches the use and how you set up the engine
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Cool Bruce, you still live in the Phoenix area, or did you have enough of the heat.
Nope, left Tempe after 2yrs. Went to Bullhead City for awhile, then to New Orleans. Back in Pa. last 20 yrs. Still miss tubing down the Verde and partying at Coons Bluff.
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I'm having trouble posting replies, don't know what is wrong. Those numbers came from a manufacturer spec sheet in the box with the cam. I gave the cam back to my buddy and bought a Crane cam & lifters, 260-2 grind. Tow package cam , not stock but not too wild either.
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A lot of cams in the old days used the 1.76 hyd or soild most did not look at the fine print to see what it said.