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Title: Why can't Ford...
Post by: FElony on May 23, 2016, 09:20:05 PM
GM for the win.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbLweooe3aM
Title: Re: Why can't Ford...
Post by: shady on May 24, 2016, 10:07:20 AM
so that's what gm did with the bailout money? Hmm. I am so unimpressed.
Title: Re: Why can't Ford...
Post by: chilly460 on May 24, 2016, 11:08:38 AM
Agreed, I'd like to see more cars in this segment.  But, when's the last time you saw one on the road? 
Title: Re: Why can't Ford...
Post by: cammerfe on May 24, 2016, 11:26:43 AM
MT is massively well known for doing 'puff' pieces. You'll note that there was high incidence of stating opinion as fact.

The last version of that same car was, very soon, a substantial yawn. Much like the Cheetah---brought out to rival the Cobra---never did much, I'll predict the same end for the SS.

KS
Title: Re: Why can't Ford...
Post by: FElony on May 24, 2016, 04:13:15 PM
IMO, this is what the Taurus SHO should have been. You know, the version nobody ever sees and is virtually indistinguishable from a rental car. Six liters, advanced suspension, and a MANUAL TRANS. Low 13-second 1/4 mile!

My viewpoint is from driving around in Crown Vic PI's. I like sleeper four doors that handle. The CV is relatively slow, though. Coyote swaps are starting to gain momentum, so...

I dragged some cash out from under a rock and did an inventory check through all the local Chevy dealers this morning. Every SS they had was an AUTOMATIC. "You are the only person that wants a manual", they said.

GM for the loss.

As for puff, are you aware of who their test driver is? Running the piss out of test cars around a track by a pro ain't puff. Cheetah/Cobra? Gotta be kidding with that analogy. Go back to your 100-proof swale, I mean swill.
Title: Re: Why can't Ford...
Post by: turbohunter on May 24, 2016, 05:17:56 PM
Agree on the Taurus.
Agree on sleepers that handle.
Wouldn't ever bother checking Louie's company.
Agree GM loss.
I'm in the business, I know what a puff piece is and that was one. The driver was paid.
3 outta 5 ain't bad.  :)
Title: Re: Why can't Ford...
Post by: FElony on May 24, 2016, 05:33:17 PM
Agree on the Taurus.
Agree on sleepers that handle.
Wouldn't ever bother checking Louie's company.
Agree GM loss.
I'm in the business, I know what a puff piece is and that was one. The driver was paid.
3 outta 5 ain't bad.  :)

So, you're saying that all the video of the car in action was rigged. Sound track, too? Any links to reviewers that don't get paid? Are we losing track of the fact that magazine reviewers have been compensated for their time (probably so they can eat) for, oh, the last 60 or 70 years?

The idea is to garner enough input to warrant a test drive. Yes, it is a Chevy, but there is nothing else in this segment and price range. Nothing.

Argh.
Title: Re: Why can't Ford...
Post by: machoneman on May 24, 2016, 05:49:23 PM
Just look at the failure of the recent GTO which was a damn good car! Specialty cars in recent years have not sold well at all (T-Bird, GTO, SS pickup and more).
Title: Re: Why can't Ford...
Post by: turbohunter on May 24, 2016, 06:17:15 PM
Just saying it was a well prepped car that I'll bet doesn't represent what's actually for sale to us peeps.
Though I wish it was.
And I'm way to jaded to believe what I see anymore.
Title: Re: Why can't Ford...
Post by: Jim Comet on May 24, 2016, 09:30:56 PM
one of the gals at my work bought one about a month ago. It is an automatic car. She let her husband run it at Rock Falls a week ago and it ran a traction limited 13.30's. She likes the car but has been driving her SS pickup lately because she missed her truck, so I am not so sure how super the SS really is. Jim
Title: Re: Why can't Ford...
Post by: Nightmist66 on May 24, 2016, 10:47:59 PM
My viewpoint is from driving around in Crown Vic PI's. I like sleeper four doors that handle. The CV is relatively slow, though. Coyote swaps are starting to gain momentum, so...

So you like Vics too? I daily drive an 03 that I have slightly modded. I added the P71 speedo, Cobra trac lok, Ford Racing 3.73 gears, 31 spline axles, Powerstop drilled/slotted rotors, painted calipers, Cobra wheels, Procomp intake, BBK 73mm throttle body, 04 P71 air box and tube w/K&N filter, Ford Racing 24lb injectors, SCT tuner. OBX long tube header and exhaust kit waiting for me to install along with a TCI deep sump trans pan. Trick Flow top end kit and 5 speed swap whenever I get the time and money.

I could post a pic if you or Jay don't mind.
Title: Re: Why can't Ford...
Post by: jayb on May 25, 2016, 07:36:32 AM
Hey, this is the non-FE discussion forum.  Go for it!
Title: Re: Why can't Ford...
Post by: shady on May 25, 2016, 08:30:44 AM
Agree on the Taurus.
Agree on sleepers that handle.
Wouldn't ever bother checking Louie's company.
Agree GM loss.
I'm in the business, I know what a puff piece is and that was one. The driver was paid.
3 outta 5 ain't bad.  :)
http://www.beaversprings.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/4-1-tru-final.jpg
Title: Re: Why can't Ford...
Post by: turbohunter on May 25, 2016, 09:13:29 AM
Impressive if it's stock.
Edit:
Just re read what Jim said about the stocker he knows of.
Ok, that's impressive for a stocker.
Title: Re: Why can't Ford...
Post by: Nightmist66 on May 25, 2016, 09:20:20 PM
Thanks Jay. Here's a pic of the daily beater.

(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a232/jaredaebly/IMG_20160525_213652_zpsutjo7hoa.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/jaredaebly/media/IMG_20160525_213652_zpsutjo7hoa.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Why can't Ford...
Post by: FElony on May 26, 2016, 06:28:54 PM
My viewpoint is from driving around in Crown Vic PI's. I like sleeper four doors that handle. The CV is relatively slow, though. Coyote swaps are starting to gain momentum, so...

So you like Vics too? I daily drive an 03 that I have slightly modded. I added the P71 speedo, Cobra trac lok, Ford Racing 3.73 gears, 31 spline axles, Powerstop drilled/slotted rotors, painted calipers, Cobra wheels, Procomp intake, BBK 73mm throttle body, 04 P71 air box and tube w/K&N filter, Ford Racing 24lb injectors, SCT tuner. OBX long tube header and exhaust kit waiting for me to install along with a TCI deep sump trans pan. Trick Flow top end kit and 5 speed swap whenever I get the time and money.

I could post a pic if you or Jay don't mind.

Looks good. Do you have any before and after ET's or dyno numbers? I've avoided altering mine because I'm constantly distracted by the idea of cars like this, which is near me.

http://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/cto/5599066223.html

My PI is an '06 that was privately owned by a Sheriff's officer buddy (also has S-code 67 Lane). That means he bought it new with the basic package, but it has never had a push bar or antennas or such. He did add cruise and the Premium Sound stereo, but it is otherwise stock. I picked it up last year with 72k on the odo and 262 hours on the idle clock. It has the std TRSD paint and steelies. Oh, the blue and reds behind the grille and rear deck and siren are still operational, so I can clear everyone outta mah friggin way if I'm late for happy hour.

If I don't get a new car, I may put an E-street Coyote in my '97 PI, just to be an asshole. Because that's how I roll. Or, more likely, I may rebuild my golf cart and move into a senior community. Whichever.
Title: Re: Why can't Ford...
Post by: Nightmist66 on May 27, 2016, 12:41:17 AM
Looks good. Do you have any before and after ET's or dyno numbers?

Thanks. Unfortunately, no on both. I plan to get the car to the track as soon as I get the exhaust on it, hopefully in two weeks. It would have been this weekend, but I decided to swap the intake on the Fairlane instead.
Title: Re: Why can't Ford...
Post by: Nightmist66 on July 06, 2016, 09:04:44 PM
Unfortunately, I still haven't got the car to the track. So many things coming up lately.  :-\

Exhaust is on though.....
Title: Re: Why can't Ford...
Post by: FElony on July 07, 2016, 02:42:04 AM
Unfortunately, I still haven't got the car to the track. So many things coming up lately.  :-\

Exhaust is on though.....

If you are fresh out of excuses, feel free to borrow one of mine. How about this oh-so-true gem... "Was gonna finish up that project, but it's been 118 to 122 degrees in my garage for the last few weeks."

I'm really really good at excuses. Just anyone. Or everyone.  8)
Title: Re: Why can't Ford...
Post by: Nightmist66 on July 07, 2016, 06:41:58 AM
My full list of excuses are in the Meltdown post. Sadly, they are true.
Title: Re: Why can't Ford...
Post by: FElony on July 07, 2016, 04:12:57 PM
My full list of excuses are in the Meltdown post. Sadly, they are true.

Just read that. Ouch. Ain't this hobby wunnerful?
Title: Re: Why can't Ford...
Post by: Qikbbstang on July 13, 2016, 08:40:20 AM
The "mag" damper's are GT350 class stuff  --- cool but when it get's 100,000 miles on it and they take a crap $$$$$.

Looks like $50,000 a copy for SS. Dam'd if I can find IF the SS's have an Independent or Solid rear axle?........................Just wondering since the Media/Magazine's blasted the crap out of Mustang's for years with solid-axles...
              That's some serious displacement and wake up Joker: Ford can't go dropping big displacement motors in anything, the do not have any 6.0 displacements -- "IMO, this is what the Taurus SHO should have been. You know, the version nobody ever sees and is virtually indistinguishable from a rental car. Six liters, advanced suspension, and a MANUAL TRANS. Low 13-second 1/4 mile!"

                           Like it or not FoMoCo has committed to high tech DOHC turbo'd motors..

IMO, this is what the Taurus SHO should have been. You know, the version nobody ever sees and is virtually indistinguishable from a rental car. Six liters, advanced suspension, and a MANUAL TRANS. Low 13-second 1/4 mile!
Title: Re: Why can't Ford...
Post by: Nightmist66 on August 23, 2016, 12:05:48 AM
Finally got the car to the track a few weeks ago. Ran Midnight Mahem with it at Cordova, IL.

A couple pics of the setup:

(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a232/jaredaebly/20160816_171635_zpsxeln3xzj.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/jaredaebly/media/20160816_171635_zpsxeln3xzj.jpg.html)

OBX long tube header and exhaust kit, all stainless
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a232/jaredaebly/20160816_171716_zpsugjute7o.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/jaredaebly/media/20160816_171716_zpsugjute7o.jpg.html)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a232/jaredaebly/20160816_171745_zpsdya4hdnp.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/jaredaebly/media/20160816_171745_zpsdya4hdnp.jpg.html)
Sorry these are fuzzy
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a232/jaredaebly/Snapchat-3166220029154639596_zpsm9kt2ggp.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/jaredaebly/media/Snapchat-3166220029154639596_zpsm9kt2ggp.jpg.html)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a232/jaredaebly/Snapchat-6380349984518177340_zpsmwpjjypr.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/jaredaebly/media/Snapchat-6380349984518177340_zpsmwpjjypr.jpg.html)

Car was very consistent. Here was my best run:
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a232/jaredaebly/20160822_234134_zpsn8oetuud.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/jaredaebly/media/20160822_234134_zpsn8oetuud.jpg.html)

Car has much better ET in it because of the converter. The calendar reaction time was due to some "modified pro-tree" ??? After the stage lights, no yellows came down, just green lit up. Everyone was sitting there.....When I took it down, the lock-up clutches in the converter were stuck and I couldn't build any stall. It would also die at a stop and switching to a drive gear. After racing all night, the clutches must've freed up, because now it's back to normal. I am going to get a stall converter soon and head back to see what I can muster. I'm hoping for low 14's. The speed is there for 13.9's :)

I figure this combo is making about 320hp at crank. I feel good picking up 100hp over stock with a few simple bolt-ons, generic 93 tune, and 117k on the clock.