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FE Power Forums => FE Technical Forum => Topic started by: unclewill on January 07, 2016, 02:52:43 PM
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On the GM products I have worked on in the past, the engine/trans combo was designed to be installed as a unit. Is this true with the Fords as well? I have a 427 side oiler/RUG-AJ going into a '69 Fairlane Cobra and I'm unsure if I should assemble the whole enchilada first or install the engine with clutch and bellhousing then add the trans from underneath. I'm leaving most of the peripherals off of the engine to save weight but with cast iron heads this combo isn't what I'd call light. I do have a ceiling mounted hoist at 10'. What do you think?
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If the option is there I prefer to do the whole enchilada together.
Have fun.
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Me too. Headers and all. I leave off the carb and alternator but that's about it. Helps if you jack up the rear.
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Headers too...interesting. I was planning on laying the headers in place then bolt up once the motor is in.
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What headers do you have? Not all can be installed like that, but sure saves aggrevation and skinned knuckels and special wrenches and small head header bolts and..........
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As long as the header tubes don't go around the front suspension points, you can put the engine in with at least one header side installed, usually the driver's side. Drop it into place so it is still several inches off the mounts, then put the passenger side into place from underneath and bolt it to the engine before dropping the engine the rest of the way down on the mounts.
(http://fepower.net/Photos/Posts/492instl.JPG)
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I haven't purchased the headers yet but the only ones I've found are for my application are Doug's Headers. Does anyone have experience with their products? I love the install photos BTW, soon I'll have some to add!
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Just be careful and make sure your hoist is rolling on level ground plus have a couple of helpers. That is a bunch of weight.
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One more vote here for installing as much of the engine/trans and peripherals in one piece as possible. Long iron manifolds and TL can be installed on the engine when you're working on a '63 F100.
KS
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Headers too...interesting. I was planning on laying the headers in place then bolt up once the motor is in.
Mine are probably a little different to others you have seen :D
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Mustang, but here's another "with the headers" guy if you can
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67-70 Mustangs, do you guys remove the crosssmember under the eng for installing the eng/trans combo ?
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Yes, and unbolt the idler arm from the frame and let it fall, as well as turn the wheel so the PS valve and pitman arm is outboard of the frame.
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I've always done it the other way, that is I install the engine by itself, with the transmission already bolted up. I seem to be in the minority though, so maybe I need to try it as a unit.
I lower the engine in, and if I have one piece headers, I try to lay them under the engine as it comes to rest. Then I bolt up flexplate to the convertor and after that work on the headers. With multi-piece headers I drop the engine all the way in and then snake the header tubes into place. Motor mounts are last as I remember it. You want to be able to nudge things up until the end.
I may not being dong it the best way, but it can be done this way. This is in a '67 Cougar.
paulie
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Paulie, nothing wrong with your way, except that I have been inside drinking Crown and Diet Coke hours while you are still tightening header bolts :)
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Where are most of you guys attaching your lifting chains or straps?
On the exhaust manifold bolts, intake or front of the heads. I see in a few pics it
looks like only 2 or 3 attachment points but hard to tell from the pics.
I think Ford used the exhaust manifold bolts in the factory.
I am thinking of using the exhaust manifolds with 2 on either side front and rear so I
can tilt the engine.
What you guys think?
garyv
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Any 3/8 bolt I can find
Typically front and rear of one head, but not against an longer intake manifold bolt threaded in all the way either.
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Paulie I used to do it your way for year and Ross put up those pictures and I just dropped my 485 into my 67 Stang and in half hour I was looking at it sitting in its new home, the way me and you were doing it it would take at least two and a half hours if you didn't want to scratch everything that you cleaned and painted I used to have nightmares about the bottom bolt on #7 cylinder with hooker 6114, that one bolt is almost as long as the whole install the new way. You will be very happy
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Where are most of you guys attaching your lifting chains or straps?
On the exhaust manifold bolts, intake or front of the heads. I see in a few pics it
looks like only 2 or 3 attachment points but hard to tell from the pics.
I think Ford used the exhaust manifold bolts in the factory.
I am thinking of using the exhaust manifolds with 2 on either side front and rear so I
can tilt the engine.
What you guys think?
garyv
I use the head bosses. And a tilt and leave it connected until the headers are done.
You gotta do some wiggling to get headers then the starter on a Fairlane. :P
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Paulie, nothing wrong with your way, except that I have been inside drinking Crown and Diet Coke hours while you are still tightening header bolts :)
Well, last time I took the engine out it was specifically to put it on the engine dyno so I just took the engine out by itself. I think it took me less than two hours to get it back in and bolted up. Well, that likely didn't include all 32 header bolts. I probably took a beer break before doing that. :)
So point taken. I'll likely try it as a whole unit next time, like you guys are suggesting. Bolting the flexplate to the converter IS kind of a pain when the tranny is already in.
paulie
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when i put the 428 in the 69 the first time , it went in complete water pump to scatter shield , both fpa s on and it slid right in . This time i will try it with the tremec attached , i have made my changes on the motor and it s ready , the new tremec is still in the box . I am going to trim my shock towers , similar to boss nine and put a new suspension on , then drop the whole enchilada in .. then crown n coke for sure .. Bud