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FE Power Forums => Non-FE Discussion Forum => Topic started by: cjshaker on October 08, 2015, 08:44:30 PM
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It was a nice day today so I decided to get the Mach 1 out and head over to the EMC event today. I had a great time Meeting Royce Brechler, seeing Barry and Willie again and meeting Jon Kaase, who I found to be a very nice and personable guy. I had the pleasure of speaking with him several times throughout the day.
Royce's engine looked really cool and sounded great on the dyno. They don't use ANY muffling system on the dyno, so the sound coming outside was great :) Here's a shot of Royce's engine.
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/cjshaker/IMAG2269.jpg) (http://s43.photobucket.com/user/cjshaker/media/IMAG2269.jpg.html)
Here's a shot of Barry and Willie unloading their engine, followed by a shot of the engine itself. It's a 483ci deal that should put up some pretty respectable numbers. Notice the dual fuel system. I'll let Barry explain that one if he gets a chance.
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But as usual, Kaase stole the show with his incredible Y-block entry that made 584 hp and 596 tq! He was using Mummert heads that bore VERY little resemblance to how they come delivered. Not only were they welded up solid so that new side-by-side ports could be made, he had a custom rocker system that used 2.0 & 2.2 ratio rockers! Then there was the custom internal oiling system to feed the custom stock style mushroom lifters to feed oil through the pushrods to the rockers. If you didn't know, ALL Y-blocks are solid lifter blocks, so this was a pretty neat trick. Then there was the billet crank that BARELY fit, along with the custom made main caps, topped with a custom made girdle. At 13.9:1 compression, that thing really sounded wicked standing outside the dyno room! Needless to say, he won...for the 6th time. Barry said, and I'd have to agree, Jon doesn't think outside the box....because Jon doesn't HAVE a box. Most people there thought he had used SBC heads ::), not even realizing what incredible work had been done to those Mummert heads. He took the time to speak with me about the engine once he knew that I had a decent familiarity with them and had noticed some of the unique features about it. Here's a few shots of the engine, and I think they speak for themselves. I hope you enjoy them.
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Wow! Thanks for the pictures Doug. Barry's motor looks great. That is an awesome looking y block from Kaase. That oiling system looks neat. If I didn't know any better, I'd say the inside of his motor had Glyptal. Hmmm.
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I noticed the glyptal as well. LoL.
A matter of choice I suppose.
Hummm, keep looking at the can on the shelf..
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Then I suppose I shouldn't mention the engine that had Glyptal used inside the intake ports? ;)
You can have every good argument in the world for or against something, but when somebody like Kaase does the opposite, it's sort of funny how everyone goes "hmmm, maybe...." LOL
By the way, when I asked Jon what he had planned for the engine now, he replied with "Find someone who wants it REALLY bad"..lol
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You're so right. LoL
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All I can say is OMG.
The thought that went into these engines is amazing.
I am truly not worthy.
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Doug, +1 for the great pics and story. I assume Kaase's Y-block is a Lincoln the same as Royce's? Reason being more cubes and side-by-side intake ports? Very impressive performance; it should break Hot Rod Magazine's bubble, at least for a while!
Bruce
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What were the results for Royce's engine?
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Here you go.
http://www.hotrod.com/events/1510-a-rare-lincoln-y-block-makes-463-hp-at-2015-amsoil-engine-masters-challenge/
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Doug, +1 for the great pics and story. I assume Kaase's Y-block is a Lincoln the same as Royce's? Reason being more cubes and side-by-side intake ports? Very impressive performance; it should break Hot Rod Magazine's bubble, at least for a while!
Bruce
Bruce, Kaase's engine was a standard Y-block, but stuffed with the longest stroke you could possibly get into the block by means of a billet crank. The side-by-side ports are strictly a result of Jon welding up solid the stacked ports in the Mummert heads, then making his own ports. The spacer was then made to adapt and raise the SBC tunnel ram. Like Jon said at the event, the lower end really doesn't matter, it's all in the heads, and his were a work of genius.
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What were the results for Royce's engine?
If I recall correctly, Royce's engine was making power in the 460hp range. Unfortunately I don't recall the torque numbers. I'm terrible at remembering numbers unless I write them down ::) Royce's engine did VERY well I thought, but when you're up against people with unlimited funds and time, like Kaase and the School Of Automotive Machinists, who came in 2nd, your chances are going to be pretty limited. Royce was just lucky those guys chose his class to compete in :( Royce and his "crew chief" were very nice and it was a pleasure meeting them. I hope to see his rail run some day.
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Royce and his "crew chief" were very nice and it was a pleasure meeting them. I hope to see his rail run some day.
You want to make sure you don't mention the word "Chevrolet" around that crew chief ;D ;D
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That point was established very early, and very clearly. ;D
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Doug, thanks for the "spy" photos, fun to see. I love seeing Kaase's work and his ideas, knowing a few of the Y-Block faYth-ful though, I imagine they are having a hard time with his messing with the orientation of the intake ports. Another random thought of mine, I wonder if any of the reasoning behind Kaase's painting inside the engine is to make the work stand out better in the pictures? I sure he's pretty confident his motors will get featured.
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When the heads no longer have the "High Swirl" square dance profile,it is no longer a Y block.
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Allemande Left & Allemande Right.
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LOL....You got it Kev.Do-si-do being the high swirl.
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I wonder if Kaase got the idea from the south American Y-block heads. They designed the later heads with side inlets like the sbc and kept the Y-block bottom end.
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The Argentinian Y-block head was like
a sbf head whith evenly spaced ports
not paired ports
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Who is that in your picture talking with Jon? Why didn't you speak? Joe-JDC
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Thanks to all who sent congrats and best wishes.. What a fabulous experience for a gear head to rub elbows with some of the most accomplished builders in the industry.
The Y Block contingent was well represented with Ted Eaton and his team, my team, and some additional Y block guys who showed up to observe. As far as performance, SAM and Kaase routinely pull out all the stops to tailor their engines to win the competition, and it shows by the number of wins accumulated between them. An examination of their engines reveals what is necessary to make a score that can win.. For the rest of us that cannot have unlimited budgets, we work with what we have and try to tune for the best possible score. Ted did a remarkable job, using parts that are not exotic or one off, to post a VERY competitive score. Ted's engine could be dropped into a car and raced just as it is.. Not so for the two winners. I knew my effort would be challenged because I do not have aftermarket heads that flow a lot of air. I was pleased with how my engine performed as it mirrored very closely my test scores.. UNOH dynos are known to be stingy and every competitor was down from 20 to 50 horse from what they scored on their home dynos. My numbers were off the least of any that I talked to. On my home dyno I made 480 horse and 480 torque and an EMC score of 2183. On the UNOH dyno I made 462 horse and 467 torque for a 2129 score. The trick to making a good score in EMC is to find a combination that balances low end torque with high end horsepower. In a drag race engine you shoot for high end horsepower. In race trim this engine will make 510 horse at 6500 rpm but only 400 ft lb of torque at 3000 rpm..Since I pulled this engine from my race car I had to find a way to beef up the torque at 3000 rpm without killing all the horsepower at 6000. It was a given that I had to use my existing cam since solid roller cams for Lincoln Y blocks can't be ordered from J.C. Whitney. To do this I opened up the valve lash from .016 to .028 to make the cam seem smaller to the engine.. I also switched to a dual plane intake rather that the single plane I usually run in my race car. In 3 dyno sessions, I made over 100 dyno pulls, tested 5 intakes, 4 carburetors, 3 sets of headers, and a lot of spacers to come up with my combo.
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It was a great experience. I enjoyed myself greatly. It is stressful, expensive,and hard work to prepare and run an engine in competition,, but like so may things in motorsports, it is addicting.. If the rules are favorable in 2016 I will probably be back, hopefully a little more competitive that this yr,
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Who is that in your picture talking with Jon? Why didn't you speak? Joe-JDC
Joe, the first picture of Jon has an event staff member standing with him. The second picture is just a bystander as I was. He was a Ford guy though. And I'm not sure what you meant about not speaking. If I had gotten up to speak, I'm pretty sure I would have been booted out the door :)
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Congrats Royce, and also Barry and Ted. It was fun following along all week.
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Attaboy Royce! I hope you get back in next year, it was fun following along with the build and the event.
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Congrats Royce, and also Barry and Ted. It was fun following along all week.
Actually the gray haired guy looks a little like Joe Craine... :)
No way you'd know that - he's just teasing you.
It was really cool seeing you there. The Mach looks great and sounds awesome - you had a bunch of admirers surrounding it.
I'll write up a report on my adventure sometime tomorrow...
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Just a poke at you, LOL. That is indeed me speaking with Jon, and every team member had a lanyard with their name and team on the ID. I'm older than most expect, and Barry's shorter than I expected! LOL Very cool to meet all the Ford guys and talk with them for several days. Great experience, and I would like to go back with another entry. Joe-JDC
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That was you, Joe?! Well son-of-a-biscuit, I had no idea! I wish someone would have told me that. Now I get the comment about speaking ::)
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I am NOT short!
Gravity is very high in Ohio!
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It was really cool seeing you there. The Mach looks great and sounds awesome - you had a bunch of admirers surrounding it.
Thanks, Barry. I had a good time just hanging out and talking with people. The admirers were mostly students, but I did get quite a few thumbs up cruising through Lima, which I usually try to avoid doing. I knew traffic would be light though. I'm just glad the roads dried before I headed back home. I doubt the ET Streets would have been kind on wet roads.
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I am NOT short!
Gravity is very high in Ohio!
No wonder my belt got shorter after 5 days there! LOL Great to finally meet you Barry, and I hope to see you around again for another EM challenge. I hope to see the rules much earlier than this year so I can try to throw something together that will be in a different class than Jon.