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FE Power Forums => Member Projects => Topic started by: Nightmist66 on August 30, 2015, 09:48:12 PM
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While I am in the process of swapping out my old gas tank for a new replacement, I decided to go with Holley's new Hydramat. My old tank is slightly dented on the bottom, trapping a little fuel in the front corners away from the pickup. I have the RobbMc 1/2" sending unit with home made AN adaptation. When the fuel gets below a quarter tank, it starves and fuel pressure becomes erratic(w/electric fuel pump), and sometimes it even stalls. Well, if something is worth doing, it's worth over-doing, right? Enter the Holley Hydramat. I was just about literally drooling over this at PRI. I knew I had to have it. It is a fuel absorbant mat that easily wicks fuel from any part of the mat, no matter how low the fuel level is, it still pulls fuel through until the supply is depleted. It doesn't create any problems with fuel pressure until the supply is basically down to absolutely nothing. Here is a video of it. https://youtu.be/4rG97UuVgmQ
I just ordered the 15×15" X shape.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a232/jaredaebly/Mobile%20Uploads/_1-1_zps0izlzmrv.jpeg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/jaredaebly/media/Mobile%20Uploads/_1-1_zps0izlzmrv.jpeg.html)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a232/jaredaebly/Mobile%20Uploads/_1_zpsprdea4g5.jpeg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/jaredaebly/media/Mobile%20Uploads/_1_zpsprdea4g5.jpeg.html)
Has anyone else used this yet, or am I the guinea pig? I will post updates when it arrives and show installation.
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That is cool, look forward to hearing how it works for you.
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I haven't seen that before, it does look cool. I was wondering which robbmc pickup you used, I didn't see a fairlane pickup listed. I made mine from 1/2" tubing but the gauge doesn't work. I'd like to buy a complete unit with an fittings and get my fuel gauge working. Thanks.
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Was thinking about that for mine.
Love to hear how it works.
The PRI demos were awesome.
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I haven't seen that before, it does look cool. I was wondering which robbmc pickup you used, I didn't see a fairlane pickup listed. I made mine from 1/2" tubing but the gauge doesn't work. I'd like to buy a complete unit with an fittings and get my fuel gauge working. Thanks.
He used to show one for the Fairlane, which I believe is the same exact one listed currently for the Mustang. The gauge did read incorrectly at first. I remedied that with a resistor in parallel with the float and slightly bending the arm. I think the resistor was a 160 or 180ohm from radio shack, I would have to check. It seems dead accurate now. I took out the two stub pieces of 1/2" aluminum tubing on the outside and put in two other pieces of 1/2" aluminum tubing stock that didn't have a seal bead rolled into it for a hose. I used good 'ol JB Weld to seal them. Then, I used two of the Summit Racing 1/2" hard tube to AN adapters to go on the new lines. Part #SUM-2200078 It uses a compression fitting. Works well, I have those two, plus two more connecting my Moroso 1/2" tubing to Aeroquip Socketless hose. No leaks.
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Thanks for the information. I'll check with Robbmc for fitment details. I drilled out my stock plate then tig welded 1/2" steel line bent in the same dimension as the stock tube. The hardline -8an fitting was ordered friday and should be here Wednesday. Had the same problem last year with my fairlane running out of fuel.
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Just an update on the project today. I finally started to work on it today. I would like to say it was smooth sailing, but let's just say it isn't quite done yet. ::) How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time. This is a long post, so you better be sitting down. There are lots of pictures though. :D
Here's the Hydramat
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(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a232/jaredaebly/20150906_113554_zpsiktpdwin.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/jaredaebly/media/20150906_113554_zpsiktpdwin.jpg.html)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a232/jaredaebly/20150906_113607_zpsjzhghdek.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/jaredaebly/media/20150906_113607_zpsjzhghdek.jpg.html)
There is a nice color booklet too...
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Fastback427, here are some pics of my AN setup
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(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a232/jaredaebly/Mobile%20Uploads/20150907_111257_zps3hzlgjzn.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/jaredaebly/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20150907_111257_zps3hzlgjzn.jpg.html)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a232/jaredaebly/Mobile%20Uploads/20150907_111210_zpszt54tcdk.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/jaredaebly/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20150907_111210_zpszt54tcdk.jpg.html)
Here is the resistor I used to correct the fuel gauge. Note the resistor is installed in parallel with the float.
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I decided to shed some light on the matter, so I made a window in the old tank to make mockup easier.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a232/jaredaebly/Mobile%20Uploads/20150907_120348_zpsptno6icy.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/jaredaebly/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20150907_120348_zpsptno6icy.jpg.html)
I thought I had all the fittings I should need.(straight npt to AN adpater not pictured)
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Holley says not to use any sealer on the fittings, OK ;)
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I found out why I had a starvation problem...
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Over half an inch! Plus the tank was dented...
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Starting to mock things up...
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I saw this tube was going to be in the way, and since it does nothing past the float housing, off it came.
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Talk about a square peg in a round hole!
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I will have to put it in another way, but it WILL just barely go.
Well, as much as I wanted to go the full AN route, it was clear it was never going to go into the tank that way or come out, so I decided to go the way they show in the booklet. ::) Luckily I had most of the fittings already, so I wasn't really out much.
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I cut almost exactly 1 3/4" off the tube and bent it up like this
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Now it looks like it may work...
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They also want the return to spray back on the Hydramat. I wanted to use a 3/8" tube and bend it the way I needed, but I found out the hole was already 7/16" and now I had to try for 1/2" tubing and hope it fits. It didn't.
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So now, my next step was to use a 1/4" NPT fitting to 3/8" hose. The fitting fit nicely in the 1/2" hole. I also added a spring inside the hose to keep it from collapsing on the tight bend. Here is a mockup pic.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a232/jaredaebly/Mobile%20Uploads/20150907_165922_zps5ietu1ln.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/jaredaebly/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20150907_165922_zps5ietu1ln.jpg.html)
Now that I added that hose, I have to loosen the set screw for the float tube and pull it out of the pickup and wiggle it in after I start the hose going to the hydramat in the tank hole.Nothing is easy. >:(
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On to fixing the return hose fitting to stay and seal into the pickup. I rely on trusty JB Weld.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a232/jaredaebly/Mobile%20Uploads/20150907_181834_zpslqa4tzqf.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/jaredaebly/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20150907_181834_zpslqa4tzqf.jpg.html)
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End scene for today, hope you enjoyed.(cuz I know I didn't ;D)
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I'm getting the idea I should have just gotten a fuel cell. :P
But then I wouldn't have a working fuel gauge.....
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I'm getting the idea I should have just gotten a fuel cell. :P
But then I wouldn't have a working fuel gauge.....
Jared, anybody can do it the easy way. ;) Nice write up, tanks for posting. Will continue to follow.
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Thanks, now I just need to build up the motivation to go back and finish it. ::)
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Jared, look good and neat parts!
Keep it going, should work out nice. Pretty wild how many versions they have, I wouldn't have thought there was that much of a market.
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Looks great so far, Jared! Thanks for taking the time to take all those pictures and post the information; anybody else who wants to use that product will find it very helpful - Jay
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Thanks for the compliments guys, I'll keep after it.
I also decided to go with Holley's new HP150 pump and billet regulator. The regulator is installed. Still need to mount the pump. I bought a nice billet bracket a year ago for my old Holley pump, and wouldn't ya know, the new pump is quite a bit bigger. I'll have to use the one supplied. Well, it'll make a nice shelf ornament I guess....
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Gonna do this when I get to the mustang Jared, so find all the problems will yah? ;)
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So far they have been finding me! So, yeah ;)
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Update:
I decided to try a final mockup attempt at installing it in the old tank.
Make sure you use duct tape around the opening
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It has to go in this way(won't go in any other way)
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The new RockAuto special:
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When I tried to remove the drain plug it came with, it wouldn't budge. So, I resorted to heat, but all that did was loosen the soldered joint at the drain fitting and drop into the tank. >:( Has anyone else had this problem? Well, now I decided to do things my way, so I ordered a 6AN bung and had it tigged on.
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Next, I washed the tank out with soap and water and let it dry out in the sun while I ran into town for paint on the exterior. When I got back it was nice and dry and I started mixing this to seal the inside of the tank. I used this on the old one, works very well.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a232/jaredaebly/20150913_121641_zpsnxvs0nhk.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/jaredaebly/media/20150913_121641_zpsnxvs0nhk.jpg.html)
From the last time I did it, I made this little seal plate out of sheet metal and rough cut it into a circle and filed it smooth. I used an old tank seal and lock ring to complete it.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a232/jaredaebly/Mobile%20Uploads/20150913_122718_zps5yvc0ash.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/jaredaebly/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20150913_122718_zps5yvc0ash.jpg.html)
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After that was done, I was ready to paint the outside of the tank. This is what I used-
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Here it is after the aluminum. Still need to apply the clear coat.
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So, still need to clear the tank as I mentioned, mount the new pump, and install the Hydramat in new tank. One thing I'm still not sure on is the Hydramat sitting in the bottom of the tank. In the instructions, they show using magnets on each leg to make it stay on the bottom of the tank. I don't see how it would work to put it into the tank, because the legs are smashed togther on install, which means the magnets would want to stick to each other and then figure out some way to separate them once inside the tank. ??? Not to mention if they want to stick to the roof of the tank on install. I am using Aeroquip socketless hose between the pickup and the Hydramat. The hose is very stiff. I don't think the Hydramat will lift off the bottom of the tank with that. Also, I was wondering if the fuel saturation will be enough to weigh down the legs and keep them from moving. Hmmmm, I'll have to think on that one.
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Jared, Have you made a dry run on the install to the old tank to see if the magnets will go in and stick to the bottom of the tank then slide into position? Have you put the Hydramat into the test tank with gasoline to see if the legs would float? Food for thought looking in from the outside.
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The small magnets I used during mockup to hold it still in the tank, I'm sure will stick to each other and/or the roof of the tank on install by watching the Hydramat go in. I guess I didn't think to try the fuel test in the old tank but probably will now. I have a few gallons of the Cam2 I drained out. I better not spill it, there goes $7.50/gallon. :o It looks like grape Kool Aid though. :P I will see if it wants to float and/or move around with a little agitation to the tank. Thanks for the suggestion.
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I have a stupid question, from also having a couple cars with caved tanks. Couldn't you just pressurized the tank and pop it out again?
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I may have been able to, but it was the original tank as far as I know. It really did need to be replaced anyway.
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Last update for install:
Today I finished the install. Last weekend I didn't have a whole lotta time, but I got the new Fuel pump mounted.
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I have been thinking long and hard about a way to keep the Hydramat on the bottom of the tank. Well, I think I finally got it. I saw there was a flat triangular shape on the end of each leg with a small hole in it where they want you to mount their magnets. Well, I decided I may be able to cut some 1/4" flat stock steel in that shape and drill a hole and use a button head allen screw from the bottom with a nylon insert lock nut on top. That's what I did. The screws were 8-32 thread.
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Here's the install procedure: I started by using masking tape around the opening this time to save the new paint.
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Remember to have the float assy. disconnected from the pickup and start it
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As soon as it's in, I stuck the rod back in the pickup and tightened the set screw. I also removed the tape around the opening at this time. It's a very tight squeeze, but it just barely goes.
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At this point I realized my o ring seal was laying next to me on the ground. :o No sweat, it easily slips over the outside lip of the pickup assy., whew!
Just like that it's in. ::)
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Here's the modified tank drain.
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All hooked up-
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Time to dump the grape Kool-Aid back in :P
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No leaks! :D The new pump is whisper quiet, no joke. I had exactly three gallons to dump back in and the fuel gauge read dead on. Plus! Fuel pressure stayed constant at about 6psi. Started it, warmed it up and took it around the block real quick, seems fine so far. I will get more fuel in it do a little fine tuning, and run it low on fuel when I feel comfortable to see how well the Hydramat really works.
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Impressive effort and all, but I think I saw above that your new tank came from Rockauto, in Illinois?
I had a new stainless tank, with baffled sump and pump installed, made by them. Including the pump, price totalled $500. I had to provide them with an old Fairlane tank to take measurements from. They should have those templates still on record. Apparently I got a discount for providing them with their first Fairlane tank to measure.
How many hours, fittings, paint, chemicals, and miscellaneous parts and supplies do you have into this project? The stainless tank dropped right in, no problem, and no issues with fuel starvation.
{Edit} my bad, Rock VALLEY in Stillman, Illinois made my tank. Sorry. They did do a quality job though. Carry on...
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Impressive effort and all, but I think I saw above that your new tank came from Rockauto, in Illinois?
I had a new stainless tank, with baffled sump and pump installed, made by them. Including the pump, price totalled $500. I had to provide them with an old Fairlane tank to take measurements from. They should have those templates still on record. Apparently I got a discount for providing them with their first Fairlane tank to measure.
How many hours, fittings, paint, chemicals, and miscellaneous parts and supplies do you have into this project? The stainless tank dropped right in, no problem, and no issues with fuel starvation.
{Edit} my bad, Rock VALLEY in Stillman, Illinois made my tank. Sorry. They did do a quality job though. Carry on...
The tank was $160, the Hydramat was (cough) $300, and $30-$40 in misc. items. I had almost all fittings and clamps to begin with. I have more hours than I care to think about. I wasn't aware of that place you mentioned at the time and I wanted this Hydramat so bad after seeing it at PRI. Yes, I am in Illinois, pretty far north. Are you also from IL?
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I may have been able to, but it was the original tank as far as I know. It really did need to be replaced anyway.
OK, I gotcha. Anyway, nice work. I wish I could do nice work.
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I may have been able to, but it was the original tank as far as I know. It really did need to be replaced anyway.
OK, I gotcha. Anyway, nice work. I wish I could do nice work.
Thank you, I appreciate it. I just fumble along, really. ;)
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The tank was $160, the Hydramat was (cough) $300, and $30-$40 in misc. items. I had almost all fittings and clamps to begin with. I have more hours than I care to think about. I wasn't aware of that place you mentioned at the time and I wanted this Hydramat so bad after seeing it at PRI. Yes, I am in Illinois, pretty far north. Are you also from IL?
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Great write-up and super clean job, Jared. Nicely done! That Valspar really looks nice, almost like a ceramic coating.
You mentioned that the Holley pump was whisper quiet. Did you mount it on rubber bushings or is it solid? I hate noisey electric pumps and a friend has a REALLY noisey older Holley pump in a Jeep that he'd like to replace, so I'd be interested in trying one if it really is quiet.
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Great write-up and super clean job, Jared. Nicely done! That Valspar really looks nice, almost like a ceramic coating.
You mentioned that the Holley pump was whisper quiet. Did you mount it on rubber bushings or is it solid? I hate noisey electric pumps and a friend has a REALLY noisey older Holley pump in a Jeep that he'd like to replace, so I'd be interested in trying one if it really is quiet.
Thanks Doug!
I am not happy with the way the Valspar clear coat came out, there are blotches in it and not as smooth as I would like.The new pump is mounted the same as the old one. It is solid mountd to an aluminum bracket I made which is also solid mounted to the chassis. The pump I replaced was one of the old Holley blue pumps from the 70s I think. We modified it by putting it in a Bridgeport with a ball end mill and bored it to 1/2" and installed a Moroso 19lb spring. It is essentially a "black" pump now. That thing was noisy, that's for sure! This new pump is really quiet. Also, the new HP 150 pump uses a gerotor design instead of the traditional vane and rotor. I took it apart just to see what kind of guts it had. Surprisingly small internals for the output of the pump. It also has a very nice "thimble" shaped mesh screen on the inlet. Very nice piece. I hope it has longevity besides the quiet sound. I will see if I can get comparison videos made for the two pumps(sound).
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Here are two short clips of the pumps running(engine off).
Don't mind the first half of the first video, I was playing with the features of the new electric water temp gauge after finishing install.
Old blue pump
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New HP150 pump
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Wow, Jared, thanks for those clips. That thing really is quiet!
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Hopefully this helps out anyone else who is aslo considering upgrading from the "swarm of angry bees" pump.
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Just a quick little update. I got the car out today and put a few miles on it. I had about 3/4 of a tank and did anywhere from mild to 3/4 throttle acceleration.(took it easy breaking in the new clutch) The fuel pressure stayed costant at 5.5-6psi, no leaks, and all seems fine on the install. Hopefully I will get it out again soon and drive it low on fuel to see how it really does.
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Quick update: Got the car out again yesterday and today. Ran it until under a quarter tank. No problems on normal driving. Got to about an 1/8 tank and decided the new clutch had enough break-in and tried a couple hole shots. Left at 3k and ran through the gears. No problem the first time, so I tried again. Same thing, fuel pressure stayed constant between 5.5-6psi. Looks like it's working so far. :D