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FE Power Forums => FE Technical Forum => Topic started by: BigBlockFE on July 24, 2015, 09:50:16 PM
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anybody use weber carbs on a big inch fe, 482, are they hard to tune compared to a regular carb, I like the look and im able to get a weber setup for a great price...
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I assume you are getting the 48 IDAs? My book has data on the Weber setup, with the 390 stroker engine (446"), the 427 sideoiler, and the 427 stroker (492"). I've only tuned them on the dyno, but it wasn't that tough; only problem is if you want to change jets, or air bleeds, you need 8 of everthing. Those 48 IDA carbs will limit your power production, though. If you are shooting for 600 HP or higher, they are not a good choice; they just can't flow the air the engine will need. They are well matched on a 500-550 HP engine, and will make more average power than anything else in an engine like that, but if you exceed that power level, they will hold you back.
If there was some way you could run 58 IDAs instead of 48 IDAs, it might be a much different story...
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I can get any size, Berg has the 58 ida's, I may need to angle them to fit, I drive a lot of allitude changes on the weekends in the mountains, im wondering how they react to that compared to a 4 barrel quick fuel for example, im either using that carb with a turkey pan or getting the webers, they looks so damn cool...
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Does Berg have these??? In recent years they were offered but not available. I tried for several years to buy a set to no avail. JayCee (spelling?) might be a better provider for large bore Weber carbs
I can get any size, Berg has the 58 ida's, I may need to angle them to fit, I drive a lot of allitude changes on the weekends in the mountains, im wondering how they react to that compared to a 4 barrel quick fuel for example, im either using that carb with a turkey pan or getting the webers, they looks so damn cool...
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Berg has 58 and even 60 IDA's Didn't know they came that big, yet the price just about stopped my heart! Hah!
http://www.geneberg.com/cat.php?cPath=8_240_2841
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Berg has 58 and even 60 IDA's Didn't know they came that big, yet the price just about stopped my heart! Hah!
http://www.geneberg.com/cat.php?cPath=8_240_2841
Come on, Bob. You only need FOUR of them :o :o
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No, I need 6 for my V-12 Lambo................Not! ;)
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I would be very surprised if you can get them. The JayCee I mentioned has bigger throats than the Bergs, not sure they can be bought anymore either, but the odds are better.
Berg has 58 and even 60 IDA's Didn't know they came that big, yet the price just about stopped my heart! Hah!
http://www.geneberg.com/cat.php?cPath=8_240_2841
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If I could guarantee the performance would be the same and it would behave like a 4 barrel I would do it, I really love the look and sound of them, I know if I was just racing or showing the car I could get away with it, I do a lot of altitude driving where I start at low altitude and drive to high, I live in the flats and drive to the mountains, I love the EFI system that is 8 stack, but would rather stay period correct with carbs...I will probably just use the 4 barrel with a turkey pan, I think in the end it will be better for driving and budget...
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Does Berg have these??? In recent years they were offered but not available. I tried for several years to buy a set to no avail. JayCee (spelling?) might be a better provider for large bore Weber carbs
thanks for the info, his stuff looks great, all billet and good prices...
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How about an adapter that would raise the IDA' s up, leaving space below to mount 4 DCOE' s.
That combo should provide enough airflow. Angling everything inward would probably help with clearance issues, and who knows, 4 IDA' s plus 4 DCOE' s might end up being cheaper than 4 of anything from Berg.
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If I could guarantee the performance would be the same and it would behave like a 4 barrel I would do it, I really love the look and sound of them, I know if I was just racing or showing the car I could get away with it, I do a lot of altitude driving where I start at low altitude and drive to high, I live in the flats and drive to the mountains, I love the EFI system that is 8 stack, but would rather stay period correct with carbs...I will probably just use the 4 barrel with a turkey pan, I think in the end it will be better for driving and budget...
Have you considered this? http://www.fuelairspark.com/fas/efi-systems/ez-efi-2-0-self-tuning-fuel-injection/ The efi would be great for constant/drastic altitude changes. Plus this one looks similar to a carb and you would'nt tell much under an air cleaner. Just food for thought. Please excuse the make in the second pic, it is for general idea only. I do not condone it! I couldn't find a lot of pics of Fords with this setup.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a232/jaredaebly/Mobile%20Uploads/514_bbf_efi_3_zpsqqmsa4tj.jpeg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/jaredaebly/media/Mobile%20Uploads/514_bbf_efi_3_zpsqqmsa4tj.jpeg.html)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a232/jaredaebly/Mobile%20Uploads/maxresdefault_zpsrebu91x2.jpeg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/jaredaebly/media/Mobile%20Uploads/maxresdefault_zpsrebu91x2.jpeg.html)
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everyone I talked to about the self learning efi systems says to just use a carb, I think that is what the fast system is you have pictured, there are many companies with the self learning efi and some love it, most engine builders I have talked to say just use the carb, but you are right it would help with altitude, the 8 stack efi is sweet but at $6000 I would rather have a quick fuel and spend the extra cash on fuel... I just love the weber look with the gold polished trumpets...
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no doubt about it, for just the COOL factor the Weber type set up looks awesome.
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You can always do the fuel injected Weber lookalike deal & get the best of both worlds. Of course the cost once running would be enough to stop your heart....
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I know, I figured just go holley carb and use the savings on fuel, lol, damn money, lol... how do you feel about the self learning efi systems, I have seen a couple fe with them...
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Have not used a carburetor on anything for some years. I'm a GIANT fan of EFI. That being said, I had wonderful experiences with DCOE side draughts long ago. Great power and looks, glorious sounds, and even good fuel mileage, all considered.
KS
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Here's another option like Barry was talking about. http://www.borlainduction.com/200073-v8-kit-ford-427-fe-35mm-air-horn.html Not sure what all is included for installation but for sure the intake, 58mm throttle bodies, air horns, fuel rails, and some sensors.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a232/jaredaebly/IMG_4417_zpsldntryie.jpeg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/jaredaebly/media/IMG_4417_zpsldntryie.jpeg.html)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a232/jaredaebly/Borla-Induction_zpsvwkipkkg.jpeg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/jaredaebly/media/Borla-Induction_zpsvwkipkkg.jpeg.html)
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I cant justify $6000 for an induction system, im able to get a weber set up for a discount or just run a quick fuel with a turkey pan, for now I'm going turkey pan and 4 barrel route, I would love to know how much it costs to produce a $6000 efi system at cost...
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Can't blame you there. Thought I would throw another option out there. I would probably go the carb route too, but the efi would be the best of both worlds.
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If it was a daily driver I would, but a weekend a nighttime warrior im just going carb, I really can do both, each induction is period correct for my build, I have a turkey pan already and I like a quick fuel carb or there alike, if I can somehow get a weber set up it would have to be with the 58 ida I may, the self learning efi are really neat, I just never hear good things about them in the big inch motors...they are priced cheap enough to consider...
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Are you looking for a Quick Fuel? If so, check you're PM. ;)
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replied, thanks