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FE Power Forums => Member Projects => Topic started by: ToddK on December 19, 2014, 07:26:28 AM
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I may have mentioned in the past that I have been building a drag race car for the last few years. It's still not finished, but is getting close. I thought I would post some pictures here detailing the build so far. The car is 1964 Fairlane 2 door sedan that I want to look externally like a Thunderbolt. I don't have any restrictions regarding suspension in the class I will be racing in, so it has a 4 link rear with 3/4 chassis and modified front suspension using coil over shocks. This also allowed the inner fenders and shock towers to be removed.
Here are some pictures of the car returning back to my workshop after the body was painted. The rest of the body panels are all fiberglass from Crites.
(http://i400.photobucket.com/albums/pp89/toddkeen/4April1411.jpg)
(http://i400.photobucket.com/albums/pp89/toddkeen/4April1412.jpg)
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In this picture, you can see the modified front suspension and engine bay. I'm using the original lower control arms, tubular upper arms and coil overs. The steering is all original. Brakes are Wilwood all round.
(http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t111/1970galaxie/DSCF1241Custom_zps861d7fa8.jpg)
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Me fitting up the rear brake lines
(http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t111/1970galaxie/DSCF1437Custom_zpsa9e2c042.jpg)
Interior shot showing the shifter, delay box, and lots of spaghetti. When I first started the car, the plan was to use a Jerico 4 speed. I have the Jerico and it was fitted to the car. However, I decided to use a C4 to get the car going, licensed and sorted. In the future, I will swap back to the Jerico.
(http://i400.photobucket.com/albums/pp89/toddkeen/Wiring20Oct2014.jpg)
Now, to the FE part.
(http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t111/1970galaxie/DSCF1690Custom_zpsa062f3d9.jpg)
The engine is 482 cubes and consists of an alloy Pond block, billet crank, Oliver rods, 13.8 to 1 comp, Blue Thunder High Riser heads that flowed 388/242cfm at 0.800", big solid roller cam, T&D race rockers, as well as other goodies.
Here's a picture of the headers I will be using, dummied up on a spare 390 in my workshop. They are 2" primaries that step to 2 1/8" about 2" out from the port.
(http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t111/1970galaxie/DSCF1694Custom_zps27a7bc71.jpg)
Right side header fitted in the car.
(http://i400.photobucket.com/albums/pp89/toddkeen/Rightheaderside.jpg)
The intake I planned to use was a Dove tunnel wedge. However, the manifold I have has been modified to the point where it needs so much work to make it useable that I am reluctant to spend any more money on it. So, at this stage, unless I can find another tunnel wedge with the Paquet ports, I will wait for Jay to produce the High Riser intake adapter and then have a sheet metal manifold made to suit.
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Looking good Todd.
I hope someone can turn up with Dove tunnel wedge intake you are requiring, so that the project can move along.
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Todd,
Awesome machine, should be pretty fast as well! A buddy of mine here in Texas is building a Mickey Thompson tribute Thunderbolt, also vintage burgundy. As you may recall Mickey's had a 427 with his specially designed hemi heads and cross-ram manifold:
http://www.hotrod.com/how-to/engine/hrdp-1008-mickey-thompsons-427-ford-hemi-engine/
However my friend's will have a Cammer instead; I guess they're a little easier to come by!
Good luck with the project, keep us posted on results.
Bruce
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Todd,
Your car really looks great, can't wait to see it finished and hear how it performs. I really like to see these kind of builds.....Al
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Wow! Very cool car. You can never go wrong with a thunderbolt. We can definitely see the quality of the workmanship, very very nice....
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Thanks for the positive comments, I'll post more updates as progress is made.
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That is going to sound awesome. Would almost make the trip out west just to hear that thing run.
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Nice Hot Rod!
I would have still broke it in with the clutch pedal. ::)
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The way I plan to have the car set up, it will not be a huge job to swap from auto to manual trans. I just think to start with, I will have a big enough job getting my head around setting up the 4 link rear, without having to worry about the clutch set up too. Once I get the rest of the car sorted, I'd love to put the Jerico back in it.
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GREAT looking car, Todd. I like the way you built the front end. Lots of good parts there and those headers are really nice.
The only drawback when you switch to the Jerico is you will be back to square one with the 4-link.
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Got a bit more work done today, just minor fiddly, but time consuming jobs. Here are a few more pictures of things to date.
Trunk is nearly complete. Fuel cell, fuel pump, two 16V batteries, and the black coiled cable is the chute release cable which has not yet been cut to size.
(http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t111/1970galaxie/DSCF1702Custom_zpsfa590560.jpg)
A couple of pictures of the interior, including one through the rear window. My chassis builder went a bit overboard with the roll cage, but one thing's for sure - this car won't twist.
(http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t111/1970galaxie/DSCF1708Custom_zps1aa1c0cf.jpg)
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Hope to finish off the fitting out early next year, then get the body back to the painters to finish off the panel fit.
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I agree with Doug that the car will be a completely different machine with the clutch.
I guessing a soft loc ?
Sorry Todd the wheel is not doing it for me. Just a bit to tuner fart canish.
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The clutch I have is an Advanced 7" twin plate. It does behave like a soft lock in that it allows a limited amount of slip until the centrifugal weights lock it up.
(http://i400.photobucket.com/albums/pp89/toddkeen/P1010041.jpg) (http://s400.photobucket.com/user/toddkeen/media/P1010041.jpg.html)
The steering wheel is more a practical item than what I would prefer to run. I do have an original wheel for the car, although in need of a lot of TLC. With the cage, it's a bit tight getting in and out with the original wheel, hence the ricer removable wheel. Again, when I get the car going, I may change back to the original.
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Todd it looks like you are using a starter solonoid for a cut off for power. If so it will not hold up. You need a continuous duty solonoid for that type of use. Very nice work.
Kirk
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Hi Kirk, the power cut off switch is just behind the aluminium push/pull rod that extends to the rear panel, next to the battery. The starter solenoid is just in front of the switch, also mounted on the chassis rail. The switch is a heavy duty one, rated at over 250amps. Cheers.
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You obviously won't be doing much street cruising with that micro-fuel cell...lol
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Yes, only planning on "cruising" a 1/4 mile at a time. ;D
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Very nice work Todd!
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That looks great, nice work. Have you left room for clutch linkage with those fancy headers?
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No, I don't think a factory linkage will work with the headers, and also the engine has been moved slightly rear. I was planning on using a hydraulic throw out bearing.
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Dove Tunnelwedge just posted on FE Forum, don't know on Paquet ports, although the owner will!......Al
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It's really too bad that you have to make use of all those second-rate parts and the 'shade-tree' fabricating.
On a serious note---VERY PRETTY!!!
KS
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Progress has again come to a halt as I wait for parts and a spot to become available in the paint shop I use. Pretty much all the fitting and fabricating has been done, brakes connected and working and wiring just about finished.
With the hope that either my tunnel wedge intake will be finished, or an alternative become available, I dummied up my carbs on a MR 2x4 intake I had at home so I could mount the fuel pressure regulator and fuel lines. Good excuse for some photos.
(http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t111/1970galaxie/DSCF1857%20Custom_zps6y4lofgo.jpg)
Carbs are a pair of modified 660 centre squirters.
(http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t111/1970galaxie/DSCF1859%20Custom_zpsg1rvxey5.jpg)
Thought we'd take a shot with the ram air box on.
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A bit more progress.
It's starting to look a bit more like a car.
(http://i400.photobucket.com/albums/pp89/toddkeen/12%20Aug%2015.jpg)
(http://i400.photobucket.com/albums/pp89/toddkeen/12%20Aug%2015%20a.jpg)
(http://i400.photobucket.com/albums/pp89/toddkeen/12%20Aug%2015%20b.jpg)
Also, on the engine front, I've decided to give up on my leaking tunnel wedge and took the plunge on one of these:
(http://www.hogansracingmanifolds.com/images/buynow/16604__4_.JPG)
The manifold should be finished and on it's way to me next week.
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That is a beautiful intake! :) Are you still planning on running the 660's or maybe a pair of 750's? Very nice work, keep it up!
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I have a pair of QF 850 carbs set up to run on a tunnel ram, I will use them on that intake. They should give the engine enough to breathe with.
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I like it Todd, good choice over another tunnel wedge. It will be exciting to see the mail get delivered that day. Nice to see the project coming along so nice, keep up the good work I also like the black rims out back very period correct in my book..........Al
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My car has finally finished in the paint shop and is now back in my workshop. Need to get a few small jobs done, have the LH side headers modified to clear the steering rack, and then just wait for the engine. I can't believe how great it looks, big change from the rusty shell I bought over 8 years ago.
(http://i400.photobucket.com/albums/pp89/toddkeen/15%20Oct%202015%201.jpg) (http://s400.photobucket.com/user/toddkeen/media/15%20Oct%202015%201.jpg.html)
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Looks beautiful! :D
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Very nice! Kudos to you for doing so down under. Hard enough here in the USA but it had to be a stone bitch to source all the parts sooooo far from here. Heck, you even got the TASCA emblem on the trunk!
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Thanks Bob, yes it has been a long and hard journey so far, and still yet finished.
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Very very nice car. You can never go wrong with a 64 fairlane imo. Whole car looks flawless, can't wait to see it up and running.
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Looking great Todd!
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Beautiful car.
Congrats.
Now let's hear that bad boy. :)
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Very impressive! Looking forward to the performance report.
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Very Impressive Build Todd, it must of been super seeing it so close to done on that trailer. Look forward to a completed and shook down Hot Rod, your car should really Rock.........................Al
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GREATTTTTT Looking Car
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That's a good looking car.
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Very nice car. I think some nice old style sign writing would really set it off. ;)
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It looks like it's haulin' ass just sitting on the trailer. I'm diggin' it! 8) Are you building the motor or having it built?
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The motor is mostly built, but still waiting on a few parts. When it is finished and dynoed, it will post the details and results.
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I love the look of those Hoosier Back rubbers!!! I wonder if I could get a set for the Saleen LOL complete the nostalgic look!
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Very nice car. I think some nice old style sign writing would really set it off. ;)
Got the car booked in for late November to get some sign writing done. It will all paint and brushed on, as it would have been done back in the early '60s.
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Did some dummying up with the intake today to check alignment and fit.
(http://i400.photobucket.com/albums/pp89/toddkeen/IMG_0126.jpg) (http://s400.photobucket.com/user/toddkeen/media/IMG_0126.jpg.html)
It all looks pretty good, make only need a few thou taken off the valve cover rails. The port alignment looks almost spot on.
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Also, finished all the sign writing on the car. It's all painted on, no decals.
(http://i400.photobucket.com/albums/pp89/toddkeen/image_9.jpeg) (http://s400.photobucket.com/user/toddkeen/media/image_9.jpeg.html)
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Wow, just wow. The lettering makes it really pop. Very very nice.
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Wow! There are no words!
Awesome? Nope, doesn't do it justice. Wow is the only thing that comes to mind! :)
Are those BT heads? The port alignment looks like they were made for each other. Also, are you planning on drilling holes in the head to circulate water? Those Hogan manifolds are a work of art.
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Speechless!................
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Yes, they are BT HR heads. I made up a template of the port face and sent that to Hogan's to match, which they did pretty well. And yes, I plan on running water pick ups from each head corner to a 4 into 1 Wilson water manifold.
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How does it work with the pushrods and offset rockers?
Do they line up perfectly, and is there enough clearance in the pushrod tubes?
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Haven't got that far in the build yet.
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Looks real nice Todd, your Intake and Lettering! Your car is amazingly nice...................Al
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Hey Todd, your car looks outstanding it will be a heap of fun with the jerico in it that's for sure. Next time I am in perth I would love to come over with Graeme and have a closer look.
Once again great job.
Wayne ( Graeme's brother)
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Sounds good Wayne, let me know when you and Graeme are in town.
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Really cool build. Have you got any more updates? I am interested in the manifold and how that turned out for you. If you have any questions on T&D rockers and offsets available, let me know. I have a similar build starting and have various rocker offsets and lifters combos I'm playing with etc. along with BT HR heads.
I also think it is cool you have a stick shift set-up for the future, once you get it sorted out. Really nice parts and effort everywhere, good job!
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No big updates, unfortunately. I had to make up a couple of brackets to mount the throttle linkage and the fuel pressure regulator, all done now. Also need to make up the fuel lines from the reg to the carbs, but the local supplier was out of stock due to a big car show happening the weekend. Should get them done this coming week.
Also, I am having the valve seats in the heads replaced from the iron ones the heads came with to a bronze alloy material that is more compatible with the titanium valves I am using. Hopefully, that should be done shortly, then the engine can go back together.
I ended up getting a set of the T&D rockers with 0.250" intake and 0.080" exhaust offset. These, along with the offset seat lifters look like they will work well with the heads and intake. But I won't know for sure until I actually do a trial fit with the heads and intake back on. Once I have an answer on that, I will post an update.
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So, it's been over 12 months without an update, but progress has been made.
I still don't have the race engine ready. The guy who was going to do a quick change of the valve seats to match the titanium valves still has the engine. It's only taken him over 18 months now. Don't ask.........
In the mean time, since I had the 462 out of my '63 Galaxie sitting on the workshop floor, I decided to put it in the Fairlane to get it going. Here's a pic of it in the engine bay.
(https://xr8ute.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/image1.jpeg?w=700&h=&crop=1)
In that pic, I have a pair of 660's on it, but they had a heap of leaks so I just went with the pair of 750 vac sec carbs I was previously using on that engine.
Engine bay finished.
(https://xr8ute.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/dscf1311-custom.jpg?w=700&h=&crop=1)
(https://xr8ute.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/dscf1323-custom.jpg?w=700&h=&crop=1)
So now, after 10 years of taking it from a rusty body shell, my car has finally passed tech inspection and is ready to hit the track for some licensing passes.
(https://xr8ute.files.wordpress.com/2017/02/dscf1400-custom.jpg?w=529)
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Here's a short YouTube clip of me idling it in my yard. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVcD0nIlnIQ&feature=em-upload_owner
I now have to wait until the next test and tune meet at my local track to do a couple of licensing passes, and if all goes well I am good to start having fun in it. Even with the 462, I'm expecting the car to run mid 10's, as it only weighs 2980lbs with me in it.
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Nice car indeed! Good luck with the current engine and I'm sure we all hope you get the #1 race engine back and soon!
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Todd, car looks immaculate! The 462 looks just right in there. Let us know once you're able to get it on track. A buddy of mine just finished a T-Bolt tribute also, painted Vintage Burgundy like yours. He put a Cammer in his but made it streetable! Beautiful car. Bruce
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Beautiful Todd ... do you have any front end suspension pictures ?? ..... fabulous car , I'm jealous of your cars weight
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Beautiful Job Todd, sounds and looks good rolling.....best of luck on your shakedown passes, it will make it nice for when you get your race engine having shakedown out of the way.......also nice job getting it under 3000 with you on board...Al
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The front suspension uses the original lower control arms, strut rods, spindles and frame mounting points. The modified parts are tubular upper control arms that have the same dimensions as the original upper arms, use the original ball joint and mount to the frame at the original points. The springs and shocks have been replaced with coil overs that attach to the upper control arms and the forward section of the roll bars that run forward through the firewall and down to the front section of the frame rails.
(http://i400.photobucket.com/albums/pp89/toddkeen/Rightheaderside.jpg) (http://s400.photobucket.com/user/toddkeen/media/Rightheaderside.jpg.html)
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Absolutely LOVE this car......
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I like how you did the front end !! ...... the way shock towers should be !!
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Todd are your headers custom built? And are you running stick or auto? Got a shot of the left side linkage and header area if its a stick car?
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I'll just drive by and throw my congrats in also.
Absolutely beautiful.
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The car was originally set up to use a stick shift, but the fabricator I used thought I should use a hydraulic clutch set up. I have a Jerico DR4-4 to use in the car, but I can not find a hydraulic throw out bearing to fit on the input shaft. I could try and use a slave cylinder to activate the clutch lever, but haven't gone that far yet. I could also try and make a custom linkage, but it's pretty tight in there with the mid plate, even though I'm using rack and pinion streeting.
The car currently uses a C4 built by Dynamic Racing. It will help me to get the car sorted by not having to worry about clutch adjustment while I'm getting everything else sorted. I have it set up with a delay box, as they are legal in the class I race in and help me be competitive. I would like to eventually go back to using the Jerico, as I think it would better suit the nature of the car.
Below is a picture of the LH side headers before I changed the steering set up. This is probably part of the reason the car has taken me so long to build, I keep changing my mind about things.
(http://i400.photobucket.com/albums/pp89/toddkeen/Headers02-1.jpg) (http://s400.photobucket.com/user/toddkeen/media/Headers02-1.jpg.html)
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Yesterday, we finally got the car to the track to do my licensing at a test and tune session. The licensing involved doing a 3 passes. First was just a burnout and stage, then drive it down the track at "street" speed. Second was a launch and half track pass, and last involved a full power pass and deploy the parachute. Managed to get them all done to the stewards satisfaction, so now I can race the car.
I haven't done any tuning to the engine since it came out of my Galaxie, but it ran okay on the street. On the track, I noticed it seemed to stop accelerating in top gear at about 6000rpm. I know the ignition system is okay, as I shifted at 6500rpm. So I think it is running out of fuel. I know my fuel system is okay, it uses an Aeromotive A2000 pump feeding a -8AN line to an Aeromotive dead head regulator, then -6AN lines to the 750's. Fuel pressure is set at 6.5psi. I know I haven't check the float levels in the carbs since it's been in this car, so maybe the float levels are too low, causing it to run out of fuel? It was such a long, hot day yesterday, that once I had passed licensing and got a time slip, we called it a day. I plan to check the float levels and tune up before it hits the track again. But our race season is coming to a close soon. Maybe by the time I can race again, the race engine will be finished and I can get that installed and running.
The end result for the day was a 10.736sec at 123.8mph. 60' time was 1.64sec. I only brought the engine up to 3000rpm on the trans brake, and the tires on it are at least 4 years old. 660' time was 6.840sec at 103.5mph. Going by the 660' mph, I reckon it should have ran about a 10.4sec 1/4 mile time, which is what I figured this engine would do. But the car drove straight and braked well, and I didn't brake anything.
Here are a couple of pictures from the day.
(https://xr8ute.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/dscf1696-custom.jpg?w=1070)
(https://xr8ute.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/dscf1690-custom.jpg?w=1070)
So I am pretty happy to finally get the car down the track. It still needs a fair bit of sorting and I need a fair bit more practice to get used to driving it. But it looked and sounded great. I can't wait to race it again.
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Congratulations
That's gotta feel great.
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Cool!
Best to check actual fuel pressure right after launch through the traps to see if it drops off down track. Go-Pro or a similar video recorder here is your pal. In our drag cars, we'd often set idling fuel pressure at say 7.5 lbs or even a tad higher until fuel just started dripping past the needle seat assmebly and then back off as little as possible. Never had a 1,000 ft.+ leanout after that.
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That's good news Todd, Super glad for you and hope you can get your other engine back and done soon. Your cars looks fantastic on the track........Al
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Took the car out again last Saturday for the last meet of the race season. I wanted to get a bit more practice launching the car on the transbrake, and see if I had the top end fuel issue sorted.
I was having issues with the transbrake not releasing consistently, my reaction times were between 2.5 and 0.9 seconds. But despite this, I still managed to win 2 rounds of eliminations. I was launching with the throttle floored and the 2 step holding the engine at 4100rpm. This allowed the car to launch wheels up and a best 60' time of 1.50sec.
(https://xr8ute.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/dscf2318-2-custom.jpg?w=529)
However, the top end power loss issue was still present. I had check the fuel pressure was correct, set at 7.5psi, and float levels we correct. But the engine would still not rev past 5800rpm in top gear, hitting the wall at about the 1000' mark. If I was to race this engine again, I would swap the 750 vac sec carbs, for a pair of 660's I have. But hopefully I will have my race engine in the car before it is raced again. Even so, I managed a pb of 10.58 at 123.6mph. Not bad for the street engine out of my '63 Galaxie.
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Great report!
-Did the engine dyno well past 5,800 rpms?
-Any whiteness (lean) to the plugs after a clean shutoff after a run?
-Any report on what the fuel pressure gauge reads down-track?
-Properly vented fuel cell/tank? After a run and shutdown, crack the cap. Any 'whoosh' means bad news as to venting.
-Any misfire when the engine noses over?
-Any rpm chip/limiter present?
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Hi Bob, in answer to your questions,
1. The engine was dynoed and hp peaked at 6300rpm. I shift 1-2 and 2-3 at 6500rpm.
2. Checked the plugs, definitely not lean. I'm running Sunoco 260GT, and the plugs had a brown all over colour with no signs of erosion.
3. Unfortunately, I have no idea what the fuel pressure is doing down track, as my gauge is under hood. I plan to install a data logger this coming winter, which will be able to monitor fuel and oil pressure.
4. The fuel cell has a new roll over vent that is free to vent.
5. The is no misfire, then engine just stops accelerating in top gear at 5800rpm.
6. I am using a MSD 7AL-3 ignition. It has overall limit chip of 6900rpm, burnout limit of 6700rpm and launch stage limit of 4100rpm. I'm not using any of the timers or start or high speed timing retard.
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a 750 vac sec , sounds awful small
I run a 850 track warrior on a 302
stock short block, Trick flow 11r 205 heads
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5. The is no misfire, then engine just stops accelerating in top gear at 5800rpm.
If you can hit 6,500 rpm before top gear and it flattens out at 5,800 thereafter, I'd strongly suspect fuel pressure (or fuel flow but that seems unlikely). The only other thought is to bybass the chip altogether, for one run, to see if the rpms rise.
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a 750 vac sec , sounds awful small
I take is a pair of 750 vac secs on a Blue Thunder 2x4 MR manifold.
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The guy that did my heads have a brand X car with a 600 something cuin engine
He chased the same problem for awhile and found out that the fuelhose from the tank had
collapsed inside.
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I'll make sure to check the lines during the off season, thanks Heo.