FE Power Forums
FE Power Forums => Non-FE Discussion Forum => Topic started by: Royce on August 16, 2014, 09:39:46 AM
-
Come on Jay We are just crying for you to get on board and make us some new parts. We are still stuck with flat tapped cams. dual plane intakes or hand fabbed single plane. With your help 2hp/cu is possible Think of all the scrubs we could annihilate.
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/y-block-dyno-day.938305/ (http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/y-block-dyno-day.938305/)
-
With the cast manifold, the hp/ci is 1.55, and Ted's 375ci that made 585hp comes in at 1.56 hp/ci, it is the manifold that makes a difference. If we had had Jerry's sheetmetal, I think we could have possible been over 600 hp with the 375. Joe-JDC.
-
Joe, my engine specs out very close to Mummert's except with a point less compression. Jerry's manifold made 430 lb ft of torque at 5200 but flattened out at about 6400.. I want him to make one with slightly bigger and shorter runners so it will hold on past 7000. I would like to know the diam of the tubing Mummert used.
-
Just looking at the picture and comparing the manifold to the headers, I would guesstimate the intake runners to be at least 2" tapered/welded size. You could take different tubing and squeeze the ends in a vice to a rectangular shape and come up with a port dimension fairly easy, to determine the size used for an intake. John has a new intake gasket that he has made for sale that is a universal fit--L/R, that is larger than the Fel-Pro, and if you used that as a pattern for an intake dimension, I think you would be close to optimum tubing size for a high rpm intake. Joe-JDC
-
Joe, on my motor Jerry's intake was 30 ft/lb better than the Mummert 2 plane. and equal to the hilborn injection. His runners are tapered also
-
Conventional wisdom says that a rectangular port should be at least 88% of the valve diameter in cross-sectional area, and 80% for a round port. If the valve is 1.940", then the area of the intake runner should be at least 1 3/4" minimum, and for higher rpm, I think bigger would be better. A taper is always a good idea in the intake manifold port to the head. A small amount of taper is all that is necessary, as long as there is a continuous taper, and not an area for reversion. That plenum looks small on John's intake, so the spacer must be making up the difference for it to work that well. Joe-JDC.
-
Come on Jay We are just crying for you to get on board and make us some new parts. We are still stuck with flat tapped cams. dual plane intakes or hand fabbed single plane. With your help 2hp/cu is possible Think of all the scrubs we could annihilate.
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/y-block-dyno-day.938305/ (http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/y-block-dyno-day.938305/)
LMAO on the "scrubs we could annihilate" Royce! 1.6 HP/cube is pretty damned impressive for the old Y-block. What should I build for you guys? A 500" capable block? Tunnel port heads? Just let me know, and I'll get going on it right away ;D ;D
-
What should I build for you guys?
A magic box that I can bolt on and gives me a 1000 streetable hp, tells me I'm always right and won't talk back ;D.
-
And maybe the most important thing, NEVER breaks down!!
-
Royce,
Did I see Mummert on those heads? Is that Dick Mummert or an offspring / relative? My Dad was a career Ford man and spoke of him in the early 60s... Are those heads generally available? Hope this performance can spur some renewed interest in the old Y block.
Bruce
-
Jay Since you asked, I think a tunnel port head would be a sterling idea!! Imagine those babies in the magic over under configuration.
A fancy adapter to put on a High rise single plane intake would be nice too...
-
Bruce, you did indeed see Mummert on the heads. I am not sure if he is any relation to the fellow you mention.. He is from El Cajon Ca., and is the leading developer of Y Block speed goodies. http://www.ford-y-block.com/ (http://www.ford-y-block.com/)
There has been a groundswell of interest in Y blocks in the last 5 yr. The availability of good intakes and heads has nearly doubled the output.. When I first got interested in them a guy who had a honest 300 horse 312 was a major hitter. Now 600 hp is just on the horizon and will be reached soon..
A little know fact is that Jay may be a closet Y Blocker.. I know he can recite from memory the outstanding features and accomplishments of the Y Block design as they have been related to him by his friend J.C.
-
A little know fact is that Jay may be a closet Y Blocker.. I know he can recite from memory the outstanding features and accomplishments of the Y Block design as they have been related to him by his friend J.C.
Yes, those attributes have been drilled into my head for almost 30 years. Y-blocks are known for:
- The torque of a locomotive!
- The RPM of a die grinder!
- Factory mushroom lifters (Banned by Engine Masters)
- Every one's a sideoiler!
I could go on and on... ;D
-
Hey the y blockers are talking a bit. Since the Y block forum is setup in such a way that half of the users cant get on and reply there anymore we get to talk and share information everywhere else.
Dick Mummert is a relative, still kickin' at 84 years old.
There is a lot going on in El Cajon. Put your seat belts on boys 600hp is gonna come and go and we'll be talking about 700hp in the next 2 years.
-
Im a closet y-blocker too ;D ;D and got a stach of them put away
and one 292 in a hotrod
So if Jay can cast some copies of Weslake heads i will bee happy ;) ;)
-
Welcome John
You helped me with some parts and info on my 292 a couple years back.
Congrats on the great numbers.
-
Geee...... maybe it is time for a Y Block page on the FE Power Forum ;D ;D
-
I might actually consider that, if I could get my friend JC to buy a computer and get online. It would be fun to publicly torment him ;D
Isn't there a Y-Block forum somewhere Royce?
-
I may have found the forum.
(http://i704.photobucket.com/albums/ww45/mason427/yblockforum.jpg) (http://s704.photobucket.com/user/mason427/media/yblockforum.jpg.html)
-
Ohhh that hurts lol. But a grain of truth... Not that the FE crowd is much better... Maybe walkers instead of wheel chairs...
I am 60. Last Y Block left Ford while I was in 4th grade. Last FE in a car when I was a sophmore.. Maybe I should start an assisted living facility for Ford-O-Philes.. Instead of shuffleboard we could have a drag strip
-
Yes, there is a Y block Forum, but as John (Geoff?) says it is problematic for some to access.. http://forums.y-blocksforever.com/default.aspx
(http://forums.y-blocksforever.com/default.aspx)
Maybe we combine Lincoln Y, MEL, and Y Block on one page.. That should add about a dozen viewers to you site lol.
-
I would be amiss if I did not mention that unlike the FE crowd. Y Blockers have their own magazine!
This was lifted from the National Trails flyer for the All Ford Expo event labor day weekend.
The Ford Expo has developed strong editorial relationships with major media outlets that reach over a hundred thousand qualified muscle car motorsport enthusiasts.
Race Pages 75,000Readers/Issue
Modified Mustangs & Fords 25,000 Circulation
Y-Block Magazine 10,000 Circulation
NMRAdigital.com 100,000+ Visitors/Year
-
Did not know that.
Thanks Royce.
-
I built my first Y-block in 1962, a 292 in my '56 Fairlane Victoria 2dr hardtop. Now after having owned new Fords since 1966, I am back into a '55 Thunderbird with 292. I have the new aluminum heads, intake, BT intake, Edelbrock 255 8V, and am gathering parts for a stroker for the '55 T-bird. I am surprised at how the '55 T-bird will pull away in 3rd gear from a low speed. It does have a lot of torque, and hopefully soon I will have some fun with a new 5speed conversion. There are several neat articles in the Y-block magazines over the last several years. Good reading. Joe-JDC.
-
Impressive enough naturally aspirated, now lets add some boost.
Love the music too lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGU-A0vtQWc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGU-A0vtQWc)
-
That's cool stuff there!
-
Impressive enough naturally aspirated, now lets add some boost.
Love the music too lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGU-A0vtQWc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGU-A0vtQWc)
Very impressive! The builder really knows how to carefully pick the right parts and fab-up the connections to make this work. Would be cooler only if the engine was in a LSR car topping 250 mph!
-
Well, it may not be 250 mph but considering this y-blocker choose a F-100 to make his LSR runs, near 150 is pretty impressive from 304 c.i.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4zGRCP5ylE
-
Wow, all this Y-block talk is really taking me back. My Dad had a '56 or '57 Merc with a 312 in it, then a '61 Galaxy or Fairlane (or something - I was only 7 at the time) with a 292. When he had the '56 (or '57), his company car was a '57 Chevy with a 265. He got into a race with my Uncle (Dad in the Chevy, my Uncle was in the Merc), and the Merc waxed the Chevy pretty good. I remember them talking about the race many times over the years.
Then, I remember my older brother and I playing in Dad's Chevy, somehow one of us knocked it out of gear, and it coasted down over a hill in the front yard and into a stone wall. We both got wailed on pretty good for that one. :( Ahh, fond memories.. ;D
-
All this Y block talk got me off my ass to go go up and pick up and store a 292 that I had started a deal on a couple years ago.
A friend from another forum was taking it out of a truck to install a newer engine.
We made a deal that when he got it out I would come up and pick it up. We both understood we were not in a hurry.
Took him about a year to get to it and took me about a year to get the time/initiative to go get it (it was half way up the state).
I went and picked it up and got to meet another Ford lover face to face. Nice guy.
I hauled it the rest of the way up to my ranch in NorCal and put it on a pallet under a tarp.
Could not believe how complete it is. It has every piece with it to run and looks to be in great shape.
I'm thinking of a 30s or 40s truck for it.
So the parts collecting starts again.
I wonder if I have enough projects yet. ::)
(http://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd447/turbohunter1/Image5-2.jpg)
-
Wow!! We now have a sub group of Y Blockers on the FE Power Forum! Maybe after all Jay's frustration with Cammers he will focus his considerable skills on this engine ;D Turbohunter, Congrats on getting motivated to pick up that 292.. A few simple mods will make that thing run great..
If you believe the scrub lovers, They owned the 50's with their Satan's triplets 55-57 . Not true.. Do you really think a stock 265 had a prayer against a 312 or even a 292? A lot of revisionist history there.. It was not until 327's came along and got transplanted into tri 5s that they started making noise on the street .
I just got back from Ford Expo where we have a Y Block gathering and racing. Our 19th year. Of 20 racers The fastest car this year is Ted Eaton's little Atered running 8.90s All motor.. My Lincoln Y block powered Altered dipped into the 9s with a 9.92 . Harry Hutton who pulled a 60 Mercury 2dr sedan out of a junk yard about 10 yr ago, and has run it since on the stock motor. He started at 20 sec. ET. Through the years with a lot of chassis and engine tuning but hardly any engine upgrades he had it in the 14.90's but deadly consistent. He won a lot of bracket races.
This year he stepped up to a new engine, a few more cubes, Mummert heads and intake, but not anything radical.. He dropped his ET to 12.90's You can imagine the grin on his face.
-
Satan's triplets 55-57
LOL
I'm gonna use that one. 8)