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FE Power Forums => FE Technical Forum => Topic started by: jayb on January 18, 2014, 10:11:09 AM
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John Baechtel at Hot Rod Engine Tech is starting an FE build based on a 390 block. He is looking for suggestions on the build. He is pretty much wide open at this point. The story is on his main page, and there is also a post on his message board under the Traditional Hot Rod Engines section. A link to the Hot Rod Engine Tech web site is below:
http://hotrodenginetech.com/
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What rocker system is that on the first Weber equipped engine? Looks like a T&D shaft system, but those aren't T&D rockers....unless they've been redesigned. Those rockers look pretty darn strong!
Edit: On closer looking, they don't look like Webers, just an injection system of some sort.
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I think its a TWM injection. Those are possibly Jesels - or something unique. Mike from MiTech is one of the original engine builder guys from Shelby that were responsible for bringing their block into production.
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The rockers are available direct from Shelby; see the link below. They look like Precision Oil Pumps stands, and probably their shafts, and some other rocker arm that I can't identify. If I recall correctly I read somewhere that they were steel rockers. At $900 for the set including shafts and stands, I doubt that they are Jesels or T&Ds. Maybe Rocker Arm Specialist?
http://www.shelbyengines.com/collections/misc-parts
EDIT: Oops, I take that back, the rockers in the picture look different than the Shelby rockers. Hmmmm...
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Looks like a high end Jesel "Mohawk" rocker arm - but using the four OE mounting studs to retain things. Odd combination there.
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It's an Inglese induction system.
Yes, after looking around, they appear to be a higher end Jesel design rocker. Can't quite figure out that shaft system though. They seem to use some sort of split shaft design, but sitting on some sort of "cradle". It also appears to have Blue Thunder heads, and I don't believe they have the original style 4 bolt mounting set-up, although the cradle seems to have it. It would be interesting to know more about them.
Edit: They are a Jesel Pro J2K series system. Found here....
http://www.race-mart.com/Pro-J2K-Series-Shaft-Rockers_c_702.html
http://www.jesel.com/valvetrain/index.php/rockers/pro-series (sorry for the links to business websights. Only for reference)
And they must be Edelbrock heads. Still can't find anything on the cradle system though. They don't show it on Jesels websight. Very interesting set-up.
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I agree looks like the Jesel Mohawk rockers, mounted to a single stand, each pair of rockers with there own shaft secured @ 3 Points, the center one a stud at the OE rocker shaft mounting points which secures the rocker stand, all of which I think is a one off setup some one had Jesel do for them. The thing about this setup is it requires rocker oiling thru the lifters & push rods, instead of the OE shaft oiling. This rocker setup is along the lines of T&D's Race setup, including the rocker oiling.
If I had the funds, I would rather go T&D's Steel Rocker setup, or I would even like to try Del West's Raptor Steel Rockers.
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I wouldnt mind trying out the Shelby Rocker set ups.... You dont hear much about them. I wonder if they are forgot about.
I also wonder about the rest of these and who has used them?
http://www.cranecams.com/uploads/instructions/560e_.pdf
http://www.jomarperformance.com/FE-Rocker-Info.php
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I wouldnt mind trying out the Shelby Rocker set ups.... You dont hear much about them. I wonder if they are forgot about.
I don't think they're forgot about, just to darned expensive for most people considering they don't improve over the original design like the T&D Race set-up, Jomars or Jesels. I'm sure they're more popular in the Shelby crowd where a lot of guys want the Shelby name on as many parts as they can.
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John Baechtel at Hot Rod Engine Tech is starting an FE build based on a 390 block. He is looking for suggestions on the build. He is pretty much wide open at this point. The story is on his main page, and there is also a post on his message board under the Traditional Hot Rod Engines section. A link to the Hot Rod Engine Tech web site is below:
http://hotrodenginetech.com/
Hi Jay
I registered over there several days ago and my account still has not been activated. I tried to contact them thru the "CONTACT US" at the bottom of their main page repeatedly, but it comes back with an error saying "That CAPTCHA Code: * was incorrect Try Again". I wonder if I am the only one having problems or are there others ?
Maybe you could give them a heads up on their site issues, since I have no way to contact them, not that I any longer have any interest to post over there anyways.
Thanks
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Yup, looks like Jesels. The problem with Jesels is that they still use the original four 3/8" mounting holes in the head. One good thing is that like the good T+D setup, you can take off two rockers at a time with no load on them. I think I'd stick to the good T+D though with the much stronger mount to the head.
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John Baechtel at Hot Rod Engine Tech is starting an FE build based on a 390 block. He is looking for suggestions on the build. He is pretty much wide open at this point. The story is on his main page, and there is also a post on his message board under the Traditional Hot Rod Engines section. A link to the Hot Rod Engine Tech web site is below:
http://hotrodenginetech.com/
Hi Jay
I registered over there several days ago and my account still has not been activated. I tried to contact them thru the "CONTACT US" at the bottom of their main page repeatedly, but it comes back with an error saying "That CAPTCHA Code: * was incorrect Try Again". I wonder if I am the only one having problems or are there others ?
Maybe you could give them a heads up on their site issues, since I have no way to contact them, not that I any longer have any interest to post over there anyways.
Thanks
I'm having the same issue as well.
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I sent John an email with a heads up on this problem - Jay
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John Baechtel at Hot Rod Engine Tech is starting an FE build based on a 390 block. He is looking for suggestions on the build. He is pretty much wide open at this point. The story is on his main page, and there is also a post on his message board under the Traditional Hot Rod Engines section. A link to the Hot Rod Engine Tech web site is below:
http://hotrodenginetech.com/
Hi Jay
I registered over there several days ago and my account still has not been activated. I tried to contact them thru the "CONTACT US" at the bottom of their main page repeatedly, but it comes back with an error saying "That CAPTCHA Code: * was incorrect Try Again". I wonder if I am the only one having problems or are there others ?
Maybe you could give them a heads up on their site issues, since I have no way to contact them, not that I any longer have any interest to post over there anyways.
Thanks
I'm having the same issue as well.
Me too as well! No email as of yet....
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same issue here as well
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hmmm, now it is saying my 2011 HP laptop has an unsupported Internet Explorer, 6 no less
http://hotrodenginetech.com/what-fe-combination-would-you-build/
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hmmm, now it is saying my 2011 HP laptop has an unsupported Internet Explorer, 6 no less
http://hotrodenginetech.com/what-fe-combination-would-you-build/
It did that to me too. If you get to the homepage, and click directly on the forum button at the top, then click on traditional hot rod engines, you can get there. I still can't seem to register though.
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So I've been waiting since the 18th for an email to show up confirming my registration. I went to the login page and entered my email address and password. And checked the box "resend confirmation email." My confimation email came instantly. :)
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hmmm, now it is saying my 2011 HP laptop has an unsupported Internet Explorer, 6 no less
http://hotrodenginetech.com/what-fe-combination-would-you-build/
Still having that same problem and my Chrome is up to date. I can click on all the stories except the FE! Same crap comes up....
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That's weird. I emailed John about this but haven't heard back. Maybe problems like this are why there isn't a lot of action on his forum...
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That's weird. I emailed John about this but haven't heard back. Maybe problems like this are why there isn't a lot of action on his forum...
Thats part of the problem for sure Jay! LOL
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After waiting since this thread appeared here, I decided to push things today. I messed with it for a while and although I haven't gotten a 'welcoming' email to this moment, the site started recognizing me. So all is good, I guess.
KS
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Ok, I finally got on and posted my thoughts on an engine build up, would everybody post their thoughts on mine
Mine is a little different and here is why, I have a 76 F250 with a 390 4V and C6. I am an aircraft mech and sometimes gypsy around following the contracts. I need a truck that is dead-nuts reliable and starts every time with a tool box and other necessary sundries loaded in the bed or trailer or both up to 4 or 5 tons. It has to be powerful enough to cross country and efficient enough I wont have to work three or four months just to pay the gas bills. My thoughts start with a mirror 105 block and a possibly a 428 crank for 410 ci (I am thinking a 445 stroker inhaling 445 ci of air uses more fuel than a 416ci inhaling 416 ci of air, even at cruise). Using an Al head with modern combustion chamber characteristics for efficiency ( the FElony head sounds like it fits the bill) and a hyd roller cam with all necessary machine work on block and oiling sys as required. Compression ratio will need to match with induction choices as follows, a properly sized turbo blowing through an intercooler (the '99 era Powerstroke Diesel intercooler seems to fit the dentside radiator support according to members of the FTE Forum) into a bread box type upper (like the old Cartech) on a dual 4V manifold or Jay Browns 351C adapter with a tunnel ram under the bread box. Fuel to be supplied by injection using a 5.0 computer with a reprogramed MAF and supplied using the Edelbrock 3605 - Edelbrock E-Street EFI Systems (if compatible). To maintain streetability on street gas, use a Snow Performance water/meth injection kit If all of this plays well together, then I would slide an E4OD tranny behind that with a tank for the water/meth solution in a 7 or 8 gallon tank mounted behind the spare tire in the bed.
what do you think?
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That sounds like a really cool build to me. Would you be limiting the boost to something around 7-8 psi, or going all out? I think if you limited the boost you could probably run without the Snow Performance setup. Those things can go through a lot of the water/methanol mixture. I had one on the supercharged engine in my Mach 1, and I ended up just disconnecting it and backing off the timing a little, to avoid continuously adding the "boost juice".
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I think limiting the boost would be a good idea with the snow setup providing that little extra bit of protection at the upper ranges of the throttle position to boost ratio (if that sounds logical) when the truck is all loaded up
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at a seat of the pants WAG, which intake setup do you think would provide a greater torque curve, the longer runners of the tunnel ram, or the dual 4V with maybe a phenolic spacer for the length? I do not know the size of the runners in either manifold to guess the velocity difference between the two
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I just checked the thread over there to see if anyone from here or anywhere else has posted any more thoughts for a combo. Still not a whole lot of traffic, apparently.
Also, I just finished reading to current on Jay's adapter and did not realize that Trick Flow has the 5.0 F.I. type intake for the Cleveland. All those choices........WHAT NOW!?! :o