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FE Power Forums => FE Technical Forum => Topic started by: Qikbbstang on May 27, 2025, 07:03:25 AM
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Fascinating "fact's and video shots on "bottom ends" Mopar vs Big Block Chevy with massive blasphemous bias on the FE:
Chevy/Mopar who copied who on deep skirted block, cross-bolts, "crows foot webbing" and "the FE was extinct/inferior at the time"/late 60s ?......
Sadly Uncle Tony needs a FE dropped off on his toe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3I8DtIY-Zs
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I was just coming over to post this. We need to flood his comment section.
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I was just coming over to post this. We need to flood his comment section.
It's not worth it...
Just let the chebby and nopar guys have their moment.
Then go out and spank them at the track.
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Uncle Tony's timeline seems messed up on Mopar and GM block features.. Surprised me on the Mopar's cross-bolted bottom end mirrored the FE's.
Please correct me but is the FE a smaller block then the Mopar and BBC?......
Wasn't there a number of years where when Chevy big blocks were near never seen in NASCAR with/when Ford FE's and Mopar running the show?.
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FE 4.63 bore center, 426 is 4.80 bore center and BBC is 4.84 bore center ... 429-460 is 4.90 bore center, more room for cylinder wall and main saddles the further apart the centers are
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Ehhhh just ignore it. He used a bunch of my calibration info years ago and grossly misunderstood it.
He ended up using 76 jets in 2x4 550cfm carbs and his conclusion was that the FE just doesn’t make any power.
Couldn’t be more ignorant.
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Does anyone see the irony of UT's example of the 426 hemi? Has a hole in the block you can drive a small car thru. I guess that is one of the downsides of the internet, anybody and everybody can be an "expert" on any topic they want by posting videos and blathering bullsh*t into the camera. The time I wasted watching that video was valuable time I'll never get back.
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I agree he is terrible, complete waste of internet space, dumbing down any gullible viewer.
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you have to consider the source on crap like this.it seems that you tube and other social media is just about them yacking with very little content,as they just need clicks.a lot of politicians have firgured that out,the one with the most riduculous statments is played the most.427/429 fords did very well in nascar compared to gm.
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But wait, there's more! lol.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-L9Irb6fvGY&list=TLPQMDIwNjIwMjV3_zCTNUnjwQ&index=2
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You never win conversations/arguments like that, so it's best to let them just think that they are right.
There's so much false stuff floating around the internet and for some reason, it just gets forwarded and passed down for years, by a bunch of guys who think they know what they're talking about.
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You never win conversations/arguments like that, so it's best to let them just think that they are right.
There's so much false stuff floating around the internet and for some reason, it just gets forwarded and passed down for years, by a bunch of guys who think they know what they're talking about.
I tend to agree with you, Brent. What's irritating to me though is, many people who watch UTG and aren't familiar with Fords history will believe this junk.
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I like taking my little FE power Foxbody Mustang down to the track and kicking the crap out a lot of GM and Mopar powered race cars. When people come over to see what just beat them, I say its just a N/A Stroked FE. Most racer have know idea what the heck an FE is.
So I really don't care what they say about FEs it's more fun showing them what an FE can do.
Clint
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I don`t really care too much about some of the youtube sillyness, like this "Uncle Tony" rant. First he is talking about "Musclecar" engines, then switches to Nitro burning Top Fuel engines, there ain`t no factory MoPar 426 Hemi parts in a current TF engine, nor has there been for decades. Tonight, when somebody mentioned how Bob Glidden dominated with the 351C, back in the lbs per cubic inch era, and the Boss 429 based 500 cube engines, after NHRA made the switch to 500 inch engines, and Tony said that means nothing, because Glidden never ran in a blown Nitro class, or No Prep Kings! So it wasn`t just FEs, he was disrespecting all Ford engines. Maybe somebody should ask Tony what year a 426 Hemi or BB Chevy won LeMans. I guess us FE guys will never be able to compete with Tony`s fleet of slow, ugly 4 door MoPars , each with a silly name and a glove box full of excuses. Hopefully we will somehow manage to carry on !
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Maybe Uncle Tony needs to talk to Pat Austin about them B429 and why they quit racing?
Tony knows his Mopars but he is about 50 percent on other makes, he did call out the "black ghost" hemi Challenger as a phony Detroit street racer that ended up the kid made up the phony story about street racing but only admitted it after it brought big money on Barrett Jackson
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Whenever I come across "information" on a website I ALWAYS try to keep focused on what the website operator is trying to accomplish.
In most cases they are trying to garner clicks to generate income...and the rest can be figured out later.
Never forget Uncle Tony is working to generate clicks as his first and foremost intent.
His incorrect information on the site certainly does generate clicks and participation as many will participate there to either agree or set him straight...all while Tony hears the cash bell dinging as the "debate" rages.
The other thing I do is ask myself a few questions.
1) Do I have to be right on this internet site?
2) Will my correct information remove the incorrect information, or will it simply become noise in the background of this poor site?
3) Will my efforts to correct the mistakes change any minds?
In today's mentality of believe what feels good and makes me happy I don't see any minds being changed regardless of the tangible proof and evidence.
Yup, you found Uncle Tony's Garage wrong yet again...and you sort of knew it was probably going to be suspect at best, and likely wrong already, so why bother getting involved because the past has proven to garner no change in how that site operates.
The line from the song "The Boxer", by Simon and Garfunkel, comes to mind here.
"Still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest."
I think that sums up what is happening on that site (and all over for that matter) as the site generates clicks and income for Uncle Tony.
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Whenever I come across "information" on a website I ALWAYS try to keep focused on what the website operator is trying to accomplish.
In most cases they are trying to garner clicks to generate income...and the rest can be figured out later.
Never forget Uncle Tony is working to generate clicks as his first and foremost intent.
His incorrect information on the site certainly does generate clicks and participation as many will participate there to either agree or set him straight...all while Tony hears the cash bell dinging as the "debate" rages.
The other thing I do is ask myself a few questions.
1) Do I have to be right on this internet site?
2) Will my correct information remove the incorrect information, or will it simply become noise in the background of this poor site?
3) Will my efforts to correct the mistakes change any minds?
In today's mentality of believe what feels good and makes me happy I don't see any minds being changed regardless of the tangible proof and evidence.
Yup, you found Uncle Tony's Garage wrong yet again...and you sort of knew it was probably going to be suspect at best, and likely wrong already, so why bother getting involved because the past has proven to garner no change in how that site operates.
The line from the song "The Boxer", by Simon and Garfunkel, comes to mind here.
"Still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest."
I think that sums up what is happening on that site (and all over for that matter) as the site generates clicks and income for Uncle Tony.
Very well thought out response, cleandan. What I would like to see happen is, one of the knowledgeable heavy hitters in the Ford camp release a video showing UTs ignorant and sometimes outright false statements on what really transpired in Grand National and NHRA racing in the 1960s through present day. I have neither the talent nor the means to do so.
I know getting in a war of words on the internet is pretty much folly, but for whatever reason this deal just irks me.
UT is only a few years older than me so he never "lived it" , meaning was involved in the racing scene of the 1960s like some of his subscribers seem to think. He was alive then, but that's it. I don't take away his knowledge of Mopars, but it seems to me his knowledge of Ford is more what he has been told than experienced.
A parting note, he really has a lot of subs who really hate Ford and Ford guys. Many of the comments call us stupid, idiots, special etc. I really don't get the vitriol.
In the end, I just hope the truth wins out.
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410Bruce.
If some UT members are so set in their ways that they label Ford owners in such a derogatory manner it makes me wonder what it is they have experienced to make them think this way.
If the members at UT website are so against Ford, and Ford owners in general, it makes we wonder why I would want to attend a party where I am not welcome?
When I am confronted by these single minded, single make, hate filled types it gives me reason to reflect on all my car buddies, and their spouses, and their kids, who are NOT anything like that regardless of the make, model, or other.
There are simply too many good car people out there having too much car fun to be bothered much by the types who pet the cat backwards as their choice of action.
You don't like me because I drove up in a Ford?
You don't like me because I arrived in a Galaxie?
You think I'm stupid because I enjoy these cars?
You know what I just realized?...You are a jerk, and my legs still work.
If any GM, Mopar, or AMC zealots (fortunately there are not too many who are THAT over the top) get too pushy with their rhetoric I always seem to quiet them by asking one question.
How many LeMans races has (fill in the blank) won?
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410Bruce.
If some UT members are so set in their ways that they label Ford owners in such a derogatory manner it makes me wonder what it is they have experienced to make them think this way.
If the members at UT website are so against Ford, and Ford owners in general, it makes we wonder why I would want to attend a party where I am not welcome?
When I am confronted by these single minded, single make, hate filled types it gives me reason to reflect on all my car buddies, and their spouses, and their kids, who are NOT anything like that regardless of the make, model, or other.
There are simply too many good car people out there having too much car fun to be bothered much by the types who pet the cat backwards as their choice of action.
You don't like me because I drove up in a Ford?
You don't like me because I arrived in a Galaxie?
You think I'm stupid because I enjoy these cars?
You know what I just realized?...You are a jerk, and my legs still work.
If any GM, Mopar, or AMC zealots (fortunately there are not too many who are THAT over the top) get too pushy with their rhetoric I always seem to quiet them by asking one question.
How many LeMans races has (fill in the blank) won?
Right. My legs work too, and I unsubscribed earlier.
Many Ford guys commented about the Le Mans wins but it fell on deaf ears. The majority of the Mopar faithful couldn't care less.
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There’s a common saying in my house, with responses to posts. “I wonder if that was a human” in 2025, AI responds to social media, to make someone some money, or create a narrative. This FE power is literally the only interaction I have with the interweb, in terms of chatting or posting etc. I tried the Reddit but it made me want to throw things. 🤣
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i dont care much about the video or u.t. but did you guys know he used to work for a big time race program that ran sohc engines back in the day!
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i dont care much about the video or u.t. but did you guys know he used to work for a big time race program that ran sohc engines back in the day!
He did mention that. He talked about how the camshaft timing was a real pain and that the cure was the gear drive that, I think Sneaky Pete Robinson designed for it. UT tried finding that set-up while he was working on that deal but was unsuccessful.
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wasn't it Jim Barrillo he worked with ? (SP?)
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i dont care much about the video or u.t. but did you guys know he used to work for a big time race program that ran sohc engines back in the day!
Ok but what did he do, build motors or clean parts ? ;D
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Agree with clean dan.
Also have to keep in mind with very few exceptions (like Brent and Powell) the tube of you is entertainment...
Isn't UT the one that outed the car at Kiwis after he promised not to and got Kiwi in lukewarm water with his customer? Or at least that was the story.
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Yes he was and he was a real jerk about it too. UT basically said he had a right to video and to bad for Kiwi, that was the last video of his I have ever watched or will watch. Kiwi seems like a decent guy too.
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Some of those Dodge guys really need to come up for air sometimes
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I met Tony DeFeo many years ago, he was working for a Magazine group, that included "FAST Fords,and Muscle Mustangs", Super Chevy, among others. He was driving a white 5.0 Mustang, and drag racing it, but more of a MOPAR guy,he said. A "talker", but personable, back then, did photography at the tracks for various magazines. I only watched his podcast once, when someone asked ,' is Uncle Tony, the Tony DeFeo we knew" ? Yes, he sure is ! He is a refugee of the car magazine culture, that disappeared and some of them like Revin/Evan, resuscitate-ed their careers and found a home on U-Tube. Uncle Tony as someone noted, knows how too get clicks, ( which makes $$$), and I truly doubt he even believes what he says. I saw him as a "hustler " who enjoyed cars, and found he could make money doing what he liked. He also seemed too enjoy "breaking balls" !
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10 Points on whom-ever pointed out the smaller FE block dimensions then the BBC and Mopar. The yearly additions in HP to fuel engines made for the FE's extinction in Top Fuel.
Uncle Tony is sadly very poorly informed as his knowledge of the early HEMI/Mopar and especially FEs is immensely missing and tainted. But heck 50-60-70s block features are very complex to know or even research .
I'd say this Ford HEMI was a decade+ before the 1st Mopar Hemi.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6p9eyUAIcX8
I do have to admit the Mopar.s five around head bolts may have been revolutionary and a "keeper" in T/F engines. Though a quick look on webb looks like Mopar's current HEMIs use a 4'bolts-around cylinder pattern
https://www.enginebuildermag.com/2023/11/eotw-500-cid-top-fuel-hemi-engine/
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Ehhhh just ignore it. He used a bunch of my calibration info years ago and grossly misunderstood it.
He ended up using 76 jets in 2x4 550cfm carbs and his conclusion was that the FE just doesn’t make any power.
Couldn’t be more ignorant.
Agree Drew!
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You never win conversations/arguments like that, so it's best to let them just think that they are right.
There's so much false stuff floating around the internet and for some reason, it just gets forwarded and passed down for years, by a bunch of guys who think they know what they're talking about.
It’s called the hundredth monkey syndrome far as I’m concerned…. Keeps getting passed around
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FE's and SOHC's in particular obviously had their days in "fuel" racing, winning spree's of races over the end of the era. While this winning era of blown nitro marvels was rapidly advancing: Flip-Top funny cars, tube chassis, horsepower was what, you guys tell me?...... I'm thinking Nicholson, Pete Robinson, Connie Kalitta etc see vid below, would have been happy with far less then 2,000 HP. at said time. What HP was/is a factory FORD FE 427 shortblock capable of sustaining?....
I always LOL at the thought of today's 10,000-12,000HP AA/F motors and how the "tune" of those end of the SOHC era fuel motors for brief fractions of seconds could have lined up with the stars, moon and Gods Of Horsepower to build but a fraction of todays fuel motors output's for a very brief very likely terminal moment ,,,, you know what's 1,000 added HP spike do to a 1,500 HP nitro SOHC motor. There had to be times when the car went ballistic, tires burned, drivelines snapped and drivers/builders were left wondering wtf, all with no idea a V8 blown motor on nitro would make 10,000++ HP.
AI i am thinking.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cT4qke9dBMw
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i dont care much about the video or u.t. but did you guys know he used to work for a big time race program that ran sohc engines back in the day!
Ok but what did he do, build motors or clean parts ? ;D
i dont know what his job was but im just saying im surprised he was bad mouthing them after working with them years ago,every engine has its quirks,sbc-stupid dist in the back etc
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In all fairness to Unc-T the evolution of FE blocks (reinforcements/factors/features that strengthen the blocks is vague at best. From my own experience I still find the 427s essentially square cylinder wall thickness impressive for strength/stability of the cylinder walls. The 427s wall thicknes is typically sonic measured at 12:00, 3:00, 6;00...... Conversely IF bores are sonic'd at 1:30, , 4:30 , 7:30 and 10:30 wall thicknesses can be huge, so thick that if they were at 12:00, 3:00, 6;00 etc the walls would be: In the context of an internal combustion engine, "siamese bore" refers to a specific configuration where adjacent cylinder bores are directly connected by a solid metal bridge, rather than having a cooling passage between them. This means there's no coolant flow between the cylinders in that area.
Simply the support/thrust of the pistons is enhanced by these thick wall "I beams" 1:30, , 4:30 , 7:30 and 10:30 wall thicknesses
This is why a questionably thin sonic'd block should not be rejected. Is this thick wall indexing strengthening viable in other FEs or series motors ?..... I don't have a dam clue. But it dam well makes it clear FoMoCo didn't have to pay a penny more to casting.
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i dont care much about the video or u.t. but did you guys know he used to work for a big time race program that ran sohc engines back in the day!
Ok but what did he do, build motors or clean parts ? ;D
i dont know what his job was but im just saying im surprised he was bad mouthing them after working with them years ago,every engine has its quirks,sbc-stupid dist in the back etc
Agreed, but remember he'll say whatever he thinks will generate more views because the views = $$$
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I removed his channel from my feed.
I refuse to support someone that blatantly creates controversy just to generate clicks.
I’d rather watch honest creative content.
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I removed his channel from my feed.
I refuse to support someone that blatantly creates controversy just to generate clicks.
I’d rather watch honest creative content.
Well said. I unsubbed as well. Kind of a bummer because he comes across as a likeable guy. But it is what it is.
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I removed his channel from my feed.
I refuse to support someone that blatantly creates controversy just to generate clicks.
I’d rather watch honest creative content.
Same here about 6 months ago, when he just started doing verbal diarrhea videos for clicks, along with about 20 others that have gone the YouTube "popularity contest" way. The detailed content goes away. Seems it only takes a year or 2 till they start acting like celebrities.
I guess he's going to ignore the fact that the SOHC was dominating Top Fuel, by every big name driver in NHRA history at the time; Connie Kalitta, Sneaky Pete, Don the Snake, Dyno Don, Gas Ronda, Jack Chrisman, the list goes on, when parts started drying up and the engine was getting increasingly difficult to maintain in a growing race series. Now, the NHRA bans anything that ISN'T a Chrysler based Hemi design.
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How close is the time line of the SOHC FE in blown fuel racing fading away around when the AA/F motors were freshened between rounds?
I believe in the golden era of SOHC's in fuel motors typically ran the whole weekend w/o pulling heads/pan ?
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They call it the attention economy for a reason... a system where human attention is considered a scarce and valuable resource, and businesses compete to capture and hold people's attention. This is particularly relevant in the digital age, where information is abundant and easily accessible, but our ability to focus on it is limited. Companies use various strategies, especially in marketing and advertising, to attract and maintain user attention, often with the goal of driving engagement and ultimately, profitability.
Uncle Tony is good entertainment but I'm never satisfied with his tech info, and some of it is just wonky or wrong... but dude is killing it with the views and likely making a good living off it. Hard to knock the hustle when he is rocking almost 500K subscribers. The all mighty dollar seems to supersede accurate and factual information in most cases.
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Oldest "trick" in the book: Debate which car is faster, better or quicker. Sadly Tony seems to believe today's AA/F engine blocks/heads actually resemble 1950/60s HEMI blocks/heads.
Actually the Ford and Chrysler "Y" style blocks sure look like they were copying each other on main reinforcement/webbing and cross bolting.
Tony's on drugs to say/see a modern forged billet AA/F block is a Hemi block.......... Tony pulling money out of cars/Youtube is impressive. I only wonder IF Jay Brown had "YouTube'd THE GREAT FE COMPARO vs posted on Forum wrote a book.
The $$ MONEY $$ of YouTube .............. Recently watched a sharp lady YouTube'r show her YouTube compensation, had about 100k subs and looked to be making about $50,000 a year. The folks that support themselves via YouTube are talented, hard working and fortunate ...Can't imagine/comprehend:
It's difficult to pinpoint Cleetus McFarland's exact yearly income, but estimates range from the low hundreds of thousands to well over a million dollars. His income is likely derived from a combination of YouTube revenue, merchandise sales, Freedom Factory operations, and other potential business ventures.