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FE Power Forums => Non-FE Discussion Forum => Topic started by: blykins on July 15, 2021, 08:34:20 AM
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.....going from yard to yard, checking the car doors of all the cars that were sitting outside.
The neighbor at the end of our cul-de-sac texted and said she had video of one guy using a slim-jim on my truck's doors. They didn't get anything.
This absolutely infuriates me and there's nothing I can do about it. No one got clear enough video to make an identification. We have the Ring on our front door and our rear deck, but it didn't pick anything up. We ordered another remote camera that we can center out in the driveway.
Just venting. I work hard to take care of my family and these low-lives are too lazy to work, so they steal. I'd hate to catch them out there. I wouldn't be able to shoot them, so I've been thinking about what I would do. Paintball gun? OC spray?
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You would end up in a different sort of jackpot if you took action. Sorry to hear of this.
Ask for a patrol and get them to tell you the frequency of it.
Sucks
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Gnarly dogs at the pound looking for someone to protect :o
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We've had similar issues, fortunately they are rare. We have a Ring on the door and a Ring flood on the shop drive. The flood is really sensitive and triggers when you are easy 20+ feet from anything. I also have motion lights on the shop and the house floods are on wifi switches. We can light the place up by app or by voice command.
Lived many years on the east side of Fort Worth - lots of less than upstanding people wandering around. External night lights and motion floods kept things untouched.
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If you have a Sams Club close by they have security systems with up to 16 cameras for a good price.
Four camera systems for as low as $299.00.
I install them around my area for business customers and they work good.
One of my customers had me install an 16 camarea unit at his salvage yard.
Last year he had a couple of guys in the yard steeling cats.
We pulled up the recording and followed the guy from the rear of the yard to his truck.
We noticed that he droped something about half way to the road.
The police officer and I went out and found his wallet with his ID and money in it.
He got 8 years in the pen.
So far we have caught 8 different thieves and put them away in a 6 year tome span.
Greg
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Just venting. I work hard to take care of my family and these low-lives are too lazy to work, so they steal. I'd hate to catch them out there. I wouldn't be able to shoot them, so I've been thinking about what I would do. Paintball gun? OC spray?
And "venting" is all you can do, as if you act, the police, when and if they ever do appear, will arrest you! :o
Last year he had a couple of guys in the yard steeling cats.
We pulled up the recording and followed the guy from the rear of the yard to his truck.
We noticed that he droped something about half way to the road.
The police officer and I went out and found his wallet with his ID and money in it.
He got 8 years in the pen.
So far we have caught 8 different thieves and put them away in a 6 year tome span.
Greg
Well Greg, be glad for the law enforcement available to you; but as for here in central Florida,............well we have cameras, the thief left his backpack at the scene, with his I.D., and even his appointment notice to appear before his parole officer, result,.................nothing! :-\
In another instance, I witnessed the crime being committed (ran his arse off!), supplied vehicle description with license plate numbers, identified the hoodlum in a photo line-up (how did the police already have his photo?) and,...............nothing! ???
In another instance, a hoodlum breaks into my house, steals stuff, the neighbor's camera catches a fine video of him ridding off on his bicycle with a small trailer in tow with my stuff, the officers upon viewing the video call out this perpetrators name (they knew him by name on sight?)...............nothing! :(
In another instance, a purse snatcher comes running down the middle of street with a hoard of do-gooders (and perhaps a few vigilantes mixed in), hot on his tail, he runs into our shop holding the entry doors closed to separate himself from the good citizens, I come up behind him and with one rack of my Winchester 12GA. pump, his eyes the size of tangerines looking at me, decides to chance it with the crowd! They manage to tackle this crook in the middle of the street, stopping all vehicular traffic, applying a liberal dose of punishment, what turned out to be an unmarked police car in the traffic jam stopped just say ten feet from me, standing by with my 12ga. just in case the perpetrator should break free, rolls their window down three inches and inquires as to what was going on. After explaining to them the situation, they rolled their window back up, and drove off! :o
Then, there was the time when our four wheel drive club had the shoot-out (and I hadn't brought along enough ammo!) with the Outlaws Motorcycle Club! Well..................., nothing other than some bullet holes in vehicles shared by both parties................ otherwise..............nothing from law enforcement, heck, they wouldn't even get out of their vehicles at the scene! >:(
And then there was the time..................well. I think you get the point! :)
Heck, when the alarm goes off at our shop in the middle of the night I will respond, upon appearing at the premises (most often before the police have!), they will generally send me in to sweep the buildings (yep, with an "arresting" devise in hand! ;) ), they wait outside for the 'all's clear' signal! But at least, should it be, they don't generally give me the "False Alarm Notice" with my participation. ::)
I went to court over one perpetrator who had stolen stuff, in my testimony I referred to him as a "thief", well that judge interrupted me saying he's not going to have any name calling in his court room, and warned me that I was in contempt of court and risk the repercussions if I did it again and said sit down! Then the "defendant" (thief) says I was wrong as to my stated value of the property he had stolen, and produces from his pocket the pawn shop ticket for the 'stuff' saying it was prof of that! :o Of course, restitution,...............nothin'!
Then there was the time we dragged (we said it was their choice: them or the media) law enforcement to the known scene of the crime of the theft of our race car. We arrived, no one was present, we all witnessed the perp. leaving the scene, in hast, they assembled in the shade provided by a race car trailer in the parking lot and said there was nothing they could do, as the door to the warehouse was locked, there was no evidence of any illegal activity, so we're leaving! As the law enforcement officers were informing me of the situation, leaning against this trailer, my eyes wandered noticing that the welded-on I.D. plate had been removed from the trailer tung? Finding that curious I said well that might just be a stolen trailer, isn't that evidence of illegal activity? Their response was it would be if one could prove it was stolen, but with no I.D. tag there was no possible way to determine such! So I then proceeded to point out that the trailer had had vinyl lettering on the sides now removed, which had preserved the paint from oxidation, and provided a readable telephone number; which I proceeded to dial, and the party who answered said that the trailer had been stolen three weeks ago! I handed my phone to the officer.
Now they were able to search the premise, but I was not permitted to enter the warehouse and participate in the search for my property as I wasn't law enforcement. After a period they emerged stating they found no evidence, we're leaving. I said, can I at least use the 'head' before we leave? In my limited access, I realized that the wall paneling in the rest room didn't fit well, a little tug and out fell parts to our car! 8)
O.K., I'll stop!
Scott.
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Sorry to hear Brent. Up here in CT that sort of activity is rampant and unfortunately is fueled by the lack of consequences here for juveniles entering the cars and stealing them. But, as a Police Officer, I will point out that all of the ideas mentioned above can aid the situation. The motion lights, security cameras(which are pretty reasonable priced nowadays and user friendly), dogs barking usually turn people away…But, on the other hand, I would really research your state statutes pertaining to use of force in defending yourself and your property, as they vary from state to state. In your case, with a successful business and everything else you have worked for, I wouldn’t want to risk it for some losers looking to steal property. Also, what we’re seeing now is many of these people doing this are armed with guns stolen from vehicles they get into, and have been shooting at homeowners who confront them. Just two weeks ago a friend of my wife’s who lives in town confronted a couple youths in her driveway at 2 in the morning and they fired two rounds at her, striking the front door frame of the house and the other one also narrowly missing her and striking the wall in the foyer. Sorry for the long winded rant, but just be very careful. Not telling you not to defend yourself, just make sure you don’t put yourself in a shitty situation. And don’t be afraid to be that guy who calls in the suspicious vehicles or noises or what have you. Often times it leads to a response which can locate these types of suspects, and/or generate more police presence in the area to dissuade would be thieves. Again, I apologize for the long winded response. If you want to talk even further, feel free to shoot me a PM and we can connect.
Tony
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Some kids came through and did that recently, I never lock my '96 GMC because the truck is worth maybe $500, but still runs/drives great. Anyway, kids were idiots as they just took change but left a pair of RayBans in the visor, and some pretty decent micrometers that were sitting on the seat. I know, dumb by me, but I'd never had an issue and got careless.
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Justice for me. I have a storage building behind my shop with some tires, wheels and an El Camino in it. One day I go back there and notice the lock was missing off the door. Reviewing the security video, some big dude comes out of the dark wearing a mask at 2 am. He gets the lock off ( maybe I didn't have it latched?) and sticks it in his pocket, steps inside and looks around. Takes nothing but the lock. Viewing the video, PD immediately knows who it is, confronts him and the dumb shit admits to it. So for taking the lock he got charged with prowling and loitering at night, breaking and entering, theft of property and receiving stolen merchandise. That got him 2 years added to his other 5 years of jail time. I am still waiting for my $15 restitution for the lock, but I'll get it. Now I have an old inoperative shotgun hanging from the ceiling with a sting tied to the trigger. Kinda works like those fake cameras. I do have a sign stating that the property is under video surveillance and booby trapped. Yeah, dumbass looked right at it.
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When I was in my early teens someone decided they needed something of my father's more than he did.
He posted a sign that read " Nothing on this property is worth your life - KEEP OUT"
People would probably have a fit if you posted something like that today.
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Last winter I put up day/night motion activated cameras at my place and at my dad's partly to have a recording of funny business and partly so I can see who's out there without going outside. The cameras are pretty good, even in the dark. Spider webs or rain/snow can activate them though.
Guessing you've already done it but build relationships with the neighbors for extra eyes.
We are living in a bizzaro time where media and politicians are celebrating bad guys and throwing cops in front of the bus. Jobs are available but people don't want to work. Seemed like your (blykins) neighborhood is pretty nice and I wouldn't expect to have crap heads around places like that.
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I'm thinking a large speaker, waterproof amp with a a low growl recording of a pit bull triggered by a motion detector. Searching the internet as you read this. Chuck
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I purchased a Lorex NVR system 2yrs ago for my residence. I selected it so I only had to run one cat5 cable for each camera and it uses their top cameras. Pretty impressive system, it automatically rewrites over the oldest recordings. I had to relocate the cameras farther out on the eaves , to the edge, because the soffit would refract light. I don't upload anything to the cloud just let it rewrite.
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I’m interested in this Lorex system. I pre-wired the shop with cat5 at 4 corners 12 feet off the ground. The tools look simple, ends are cheap. Our local law enforcement has their hands tied so tight now, the cameras are really just to see what critters come through to get to the creek. I’ve found the only thing that works for anything is prayer. When I tell people the hole is dug, the excavator is idling, and there’s a round chambered they get a strange expression. We have great relationships with our neighbors. I rarely work the same hours 2 days in a row, which eases my mind, I can see what’s up any hour. I figure worrying is an irresponsible waste of imagination, but it’s difficult when there’s kids in my house, I’m trying to make good humans out of.
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Our local law enforcement has their hands tied so tight now, the cameras are really just to see what critters come through to get to the creek. I’ve found the only thing that works for anything is prayer.
Lorex is the system we have with sixteen cameras, and the police are always appreciative of the photography for their files, but unfortunately as stated, the cameras just give one something for posterity rather than actually providing true crime solution. Heck, the criminals don't even care anymore if you have cameras, and just go about their activities without concern for them. >:(
When I tell people the hole is dug, the excavator is idling, and there’s a round chambered .................
This is what needs to take place (unfortunately), within reason of course, as it truly is only the citizenry in the society that can be proactive and will make it successful or not; not an agency of government, who are only reactionary to the events of the failed society. ;)
Scott.
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pbf777
Really sorry to hear how bad your judical system is where you live.
Here we have concelled carry and open carry, we also have the castle doctrin law.
If some one comes on to your property your have the right to defend yourself and your property.
If someone shows hostile action or threatens you in any way you have the right to use deadly force.
There are storys in the news every week of some one defending their life or property and the DA's in Oklahoma will not bring charges againest the home or business owner.
We still have the ambulance chasers who claim you have no right to defend yourself but they can't go anywhere with their opinions here.
It still doesn't seem to matter to the meth heads as they are so messed in the brain it just doesn't matter to them so a lot are gotton rid of every year.
If they do survive then they get to spend some time in the state pen.
Greg
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Unfortunately things are getting worse in a hurry. I just finished watching a bunch of videos from various Walgreens stores in the San Francisco area. Theirve walk in while the store is open with huge empty bags and raid the shelves and walk out with the bags full. The security can only watch.
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I don’t understand where folks think this is acceptable behavior, or where they ultimately think things will eventually wind up.
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Does your truck not have an alarm system where you can double click on the lock, and it sets an alarm? I don't see how they could open the door without setting the alarm off. Just a question. This seems to be becoming a world wide issue, not just a USA issue. Joe-JDC
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Suggestions as to what to do to respond physically should not be mentioned in public because it might be used against you, so I'll keep my own counsel. On the other hand, many years ago I had a group of kids who thought it funny to throw snowballs at my picture window and then run. About the third time it happened, they broke the window. I went out the back door and over the fence and ran one of them down after a bit of hustle. I told him that he and I were now partners. His part of the partnership was to see that my house would, from that moment on, not be bothered, and I'd let him go this one time. But if anything happened, I'd not report him to his parents or the police---I'd pick my time and put him in the hospital. And I'd have a whole host of my friends who'd swear that I was in their company and twenty miles away at the time it happened.
Some variation of this approach might be a solution to what is reported above.
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I still vote for the very grateful, very protective pound puppy
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I still vote for the very grateful, very protective pound puppy
Yes, BIG pound puppy.
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rumors in my neighborhood lot of cheap used single shot 12 ga and buckshot in out buldings(everyone) loaded guns in most rooms in houses several days a week you can hear practice at early evening - neighbors watchful -security systems-old vets say life in prison doesnt mean much -so old car guys here no problems -will aid keeping same rumors alive !! support the 2nd amendment when you can !!
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Working where "rogue groups" have tended to go out and buy "Sams Club' video security systems, I'd say unless the cams are at least 1080P they will not do you much good. We've had a lot of lossage captured on consumer quality systems that resulted in useless video of like a male subject carrying off a nice 60" TV. So evaluate any system carefully. We bought Ring and have other individual cams. We bought an 8 cam system from Sams and I returned it quickly as the interface sucked huge. As far as work, most of our stuff now is high end, networked type cams with massive amounts of cloud storage. Still, unless the fool walks right up to the cam and looks at it, most of your video can be "well, I think it was a girl because of the hair" LOL. And for the Ring, it may capture the event - and it may not. We had a "police action" in the neighborhood and they all walked right by the house and the door cam and marched the perp back to the cars the same way. Of about 5 minutes of street action, the cam captured maybe 30 seconds of video. We knew within a few days of when someone backed into our brick mailbox and chipped the brick - nope, nothing on the Ring. But we could see every mail delivery and the trash pickup. It easy captures everything coming and going at the end of the driveway. So don't assume you catch everything as you don't know what you don't record.
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The way the world is at the moment backhoe or community backhoe seem to be in great need jmho.
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Catch a big rattlesnake ..... each night- smack it around a bit to get it nice and pissed off.- dump on the front seat of the truck and close the door.... Problem solved :)
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All you with trailers paint your name and number on the roof its a good way to get it back.Some times small airplanes can spot it in lot or on the road.Just go to your local airport and ask
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My recent stories;
Wife and I went on a long weekend vacation to the Denver area a few weeks back to visit her relatives and just get out of town for a while.
Last night we were staying at a very nice motel in a ritzy small town up in the mountains on the eastern slope.
We got out things loaded up and put our bags in my truck, then we decided to just grab some lunch at the hotels bar/restaurant.
What I don’t know, is if I locked the truck, I’m 90% sure I did, it’s just a habit.
Anyway when we got in the truck to leave, something that was normally stored in my center console was in the passengers seat, I thought that odd but figured I must have taken it out. Anyway, we get all the way home before I realize out luggage is gone.
Stole our luggage ! F-ing bastards. Luckily most of it could be replaced, probly $1500-$2000 worth of stuff, mostly clothes, iPad and a few other things.
But that pales in comparison to what happened to my brother a few weeks prior.
He “had” a really nice 4 door long bed GMC 3/4 ton truck, diesel 4wd, High Country edition, think it was a 2019. Really nice truck, and he was super proud of it.
Unlike me, he had all kinds of goodies inside, $1500 Swarovski binoculars, about $1600 cash, a Kimber .45 pistol, brand new iPad Pro… lots of stuff, can’t remember all of it, the truck was his office.
Well you’ve guessed what happened, thieves stole it.
Well, he call the police, and they were able to see where it was from the on-star. So they headed out after it, out in the dessert. Well the guys saw the cop car coming down the road and promptly turned off the road. Guess the police are not allowed to give chance off road in the dessert, so they just turned around and went back to town.
So my brother got pro active, he did a search for his iPad, ended up he went out and found his truck, stuck in a wash, the thieves tried to drive through, but the truck was so long it got hung up on the front bumper and the trailer hitch other than a bent up front bumper the truck looked to be in pretty good shape. But the a$$holes had tore the dash all apart and ripped the mirror off trying to disable the on star.
Well, between my brothers iPad, and his banker helping out, they ( my brother, his girlfriend and his banker )were able to do all the footwork within a day and led the police to 3 of the 4 “complete waists of skin “ involved, and the police were able to get the 4th guy soon after.
Evidently it was a crime ring that the police had been terrorizing the town for some time.
There was a recent arrest of a pawn shop owner as well, not sure if he was involved, but he was arrested for peddling stolen property, so it wouldn’t surprise me.
Anyway, he was able to recover some of his property, the cash was long gone, but he did get some of his stuff back. Of course, getting another truck now in post Covid apocalypse is impossible. But another bit of good news, since his truck was a special order ( 4 door long bed ) the insurance company actually ponied up a very nice settlement. Won’t buy a new truck but covers a lot of what a new one would cost.
Think it’s time to bring back some old school punishments for such things…..
Joe
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I am in the minority and my friends think I am a nut case but I believe after the third felony the lowlife should be executed with in 30 days. No new trial etc.
If they havn't quit after 2 felonys they arn't going to so get rid of them.
Greg
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I am in the minority and my friends think I am a nut case but I believe after the third felony the lowlife should be executed with in 30 days. No new trial etc.
If they havn't quit after 2 felonys they arn't going to so get rid of them.
Greg
Any menace to society does not deserve to be part of society and should not be a burden on society.
I'm with you, you are not alone on this by a long shot.
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+1 for minority group.
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Evidently it was a crime ring that the police had been terrorizing the town for some time.
Anyway, he was able to recover some of his property,
Let me guess, the gun was not recovered? Sorry to say this, but if that's the case, it was stupid of him to leave a gun in an unattended vehicle. IF that's the case, he is now responsible for a loose gun floating around in society. I hope I'm wrong about that.
At least the police were pro-active. Here, a local small used truck seller had a couple of trucks stolen last year. Local sheriff would not do anything about it (they had "bigger problems"). Police in a neighboring state found one of the trucks, being sold by someone that was a known thief/scammer. They wouldn't prosecute, and neither would our local sheriff or DA. Guy got off scott free. Complete BS if you ask me. It just burns my ass that thieves get caught, then let out to repeat, with no consequences. What the hell do they think is going to happen? Next time I hope it's THEIR junk that gets stolen!
Horse thieves used to be jailed or hung. It used to be a serious matter.
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A couple weeks ago there was a fuss on local social media about a teenager on a bright green skateboard nabbing packages, and a Ring picture was taken, but the mask... I opined that he maybe watching for the Amazon trucks and pouncing, as a couple packages had been hidden behind bushes but quickly disappeared- turns out he was. He was recognized by the green skateboard by a neighbor, and his mom got a visit from da fuzz. Gotta credit mom, they found the latest package he nabbed, and moms made him take it back and hand it over :'( He had a media account where he was selling the stuff he was stealing
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. Let me guess, the gun was not recovered? Sorry to say this, but if that's the case, it was stupid of him to leave a gun in an unattended vehicle. IF that's the case, he is now responsible for a loose gun floating around in society. I hope I'm wrong about that.
I honestly don’t remember, I’ll have to ask him, but you are correct, it was irresponsible of him to leave the gun in there. We live i. A fairly small town, this sort of thing is a lot more common that most people want to believe around here.
I reread my post, and think I shed the local PD in a bad light. My brother said they were absolutely great to deal with and were Johny on the spot when it came to showing up ASAP and catching the crooks.
I should have elaborated, I can’t remember the details exactly, one of the guys tried to cash a check, my brother bank manager got an alert about it, immediately called my brother to verify it was him, when it wasn’t, the cops were called and they got to the place before the bad guy left. Another guy got nabbed at a pawn shop, I think that one was from his iPad popping up on the “find my “ app, again, cops got there quick and made another arrest or two.
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I reread my post, and think I shed the local PD in a bad light. My brother said they were absolutely great to deal with and were Johny on the spot when it came to showing up ASAP and catching the crooks.
By pro-active, I mean they actually did their job, unlike the ones in my area. Sounds like they did a good job, too. I really hope that gun gets recovered.
I live near a small town community also, and theft is much higher than people would think. Heroin is a bad problem in a couple of nearby larger towns, which bleeds down to some of the smaller communities, and it all leads to thefts to support their habits. Tis the world we live in today. :(
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Wth do you want him to do with his gun then, you can't keep them on you everywhere ::)
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Any menace to society does not deserve to be part of society and should not be a burden on society.
I'm with you, you are not alone on this by a long shot.
Organ donors, they should become organ donors.....immediately.