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Title: Arkansas mile
Post by: Mbowling on May 20, 2021, 02:34:10 PM
My best friend bought an ex bad car cup car to do land speed racing with. It’s an early2000’s Ford Taurus & he bought it 8-9 yr ago.  He had intentions of letting all his gearhead buddies run it. It’s not got the latest FR9 cup motor but the previous generation of what they used.  It was built by one of the guys at Roush-Yates and has a sheeetal intake with 2 4500’s. 
So a few weeks ago at the event it was gonna be my turn in the seat. I owned & drove 410” wing sprint cars for many years but had never ran anything like this.
They restrict rookies to a 1/2 mile the first run,  3/4 the second and the full mile the third. I went a pretty easy 154 the first run and the car running after me crashed causing a 1/2 hr delay.  I went 194.8 the second run still running fairly easy.  In line to make the third run and someone a few cars ahead of me broke something and oiled the track and they ended up canceling the rest of the day.  We had to go home. He’s registered for bonneville in august and I’ll have to find out if I’m on the driver rooster! LOL!!
Title: Re: Arkansas mile
Post by: Stangman on May 20, 2021, 05:53:11 PM
Nice sounds fun. Keep us informed
Title: Re: Arkansas mile
Post by: cammerfe on May 20, 2021, 11:14:21 PM
You're doing well!! I'm very interested to see what you get out of the whole mile. Please DO let us know what happens. (Be prepared for much less traction on the salt.)

KS
Title: Re: Arkansas mile
Post by: cjshaker on May 21, 2021, 06:36:36 AM
You're doing well!! I'm very interested to see what you get out of the whole mile. Please DO let us know what happens. (Be prepared for much less traction on the salt.)

KS

Not sure how much salt there is in Arkansas ;)
Title: Re: Arkansas mile
Post by: Mbowling on May 21, 2021, 09:51:30 AM
But there is at bonneville in august.
Title: Re: Arkansas mile
Post by: Mbowling on May 21, 2021, 09:54:09 AM
You're doing well!! I'm very interested to see what you get out of the whole mile. Please DO let us know what happens. (Be prepared for much less traction on the salt.)

KS
The car has been 223 in a standing mile.... we are thinking 250 or so on the salt
Title: Re: Arkansas mile
Post by: drdano on May 21, 2021, 10:17:15 AM
Bonneville is super fun, def. a different place to race all together.  The times I've run out there I've been lucky with rock hard surface that had all the traction I could have wanted.  In fact, I had to behave with the bike because the front end wanted to come up.  The altitude, unrelenting sun and changing track conditions through the day add challenge to it. 
Title: Re: Arkansas mile
Post by: Mbowling on May 21, 2021, 12:16:04 PM
Bonneville is super fun, def. a different place to race all together.  The times I've run out there I've been lucky with rock hard surface that had all the traction I could have wanted.  In fact, I had to behave with the bike because the front end wanted to come up.  The altitude, unrelenting sun and changing track conditions through the day add challenge to it.
I’ve been out there maybe a dozen times but have never raced in it.  It should be good
Title: Re: Arkansas mile
Post by: cammerfe on May 21, 2021, 10:36:09 PM
When I was running ECTA, the racing was happening at Maxton, NC, on the airport there. Looking forward to going to Arkansas. (I still hold the E/F CC/S record from my time at Maxton.)

KS
Title: Re: Arkansas mile
Post by: winr1 on May 22, 2021, 12:00:35 AM
Friend had a 69 Camaro that used to be some sort of car built for racing on a track

We went over 160 mph on 6-10 in Houston in the early 70s

From Gulfgate to the Astrodome are a lot of overpasses

We were talking later after how it felt to hit the overpasses so quickly

After he slowed down, we were all jittery.. cant imagine 200+ mph
............................

KS.... ya have a car ya buildin ??





Ricky.
Title: Re: Arkansas mile
Post by: Mbowling on May 22, 2021, 03:34:22 PM
Friend had a 69 Camaro that used to be some sort of car built for racing on a track

We went over 160 mph on 6-10 in Houston in the early 70s

From Gulfgate to the Astrodome are a lot of overpasses

We were talking later after how it felt to hit the overpasses so quickly

After he slowed down, we were all jittery.. cant imagine 200+ mph
............................

KS.... ya have a car ya buildin ??





Ricky.

I went 195 and it was like driving down the street. One hand on the wheel.  But that’s what it was built to do,  I was still very much in its comfort zone
Title: Re: Arkansas mile
Post by: winr1 on May 22, 2021, 09:11:46 PM
Do these cars have belly pans or such and are the alignment specs different or such ??

Was curious as my 65 F100 at 100 mph sounds like its bein beat by the wind  .. ya can feel it as well




Ricky.
Title: Re: Arkansas mile
Post by: cammerfe on May 22, 2021, 11:07:31 PM
I'm planning a Cobra Daytona/FE on methanol with hairdryers & 'spray'. ;D (Yes you do have to redo the suspension. I was required to run a bellypan in E/F CC/S. Part of the class definition)

KS
Title: Re: Arkansas mile
Post by: cleandan on May 23, 2021, 05:23:23 PM
Do these cars have belly pans or such and are the alignment specs different or such ??

Was curious as my 65 F100 at 100 mph sounds like its bein beat by the wind  .. ya can feel it as well
Yes, most cars going over 150mph get fitted with some kind of air under the car mitigation system because the lift become quite noticeable.
Even a front air splitter makes a big difference because it keep a lot of air from going under the car.

I have had my 1966 Sunbeam Tiger up to a calculated 157...the speedo ends at a calibrated 140. At about 130 I notice a bit of lightness in the steering wheel but things feel pretty good.
At 140 the steering lightness becomes noticeable and is attention getting and the car starts to stand up a bit.
At 150 all of that is multiplied and all aspirations of calm and ease leave because you know you are past the limits of aerodynamic stability.
157 is all the faster I dared go on that run, and to be honest, if there was a hump/wave in the road I probably would have crashed in some manner.

This Tiger has no body modifications so there was a lot of undercar air pushing up, as well as air over the car lift going on.




Ricky.
Title: Re: Arkansas mile
Post by: Mbowling on May 24, 2021, 05:40:22 AM
Do these cars have belly pans or such and are the alignment specs different or such ??

Was curious as my 65 F100 at 100 mph sounds like its bein beat by the wind  .. ya can feel it as well




Ricky.
This car does not have a belly pan but compared to a 65 F100 it is incredibly aerodynamic
Title: Re: Arkansas mile
Post by: HarleyJack17 on May 24, 2021, 03:00:21 PM
I am still trying to wrap my head around it being a Taurus HAHAHA. Definitely sounds like something like us Arkansas boys would do...."Ah it is just an ol grocery getter....as it rolls 194 with your arm across the other seat, one hand on the wheel, coffee sitting in the console"
Title: Re: Arkansas mile
Post by: cammerfe on May 24, 2021, 09:16:33 PM
Using accepted ideas back in '64-'65, I put spring jacks in the front coils of my then-new '64 Custom. I used 'Traction Masters' in the back to control spring wrap-up. Since the car was also my daily driver, I used a 3.50 rear gear on the street and a pair of 8.20X 15 tires.

The speedo went to 120 before the needle disappeared behind the fascia---and then was briefly visible going past the little red window that said 'GEN' although the engine came with an alternator.

Since I only had a 90 day/3000 mile warranty, I pulled the speedo gear out of the trans, but I made a chart of RPMs and taped it to the dash.

The engine had enough 'beans' to pull past 6000 in 4th gear. However, with the front raised by the spring jacks, the front end started to get 'float-y' at about 130. Running against a 'vette one night on the way back from Lansing To the west side of Detroit, I kept my foot in it past 6000. I was steering with just thumb and index finger on each hand, and if the X-way hadn't been straight I'd have been in serious trouble.

By the time I quit the 'vette's headlights were far behind me. I didn't QUITE wet my pants.  ::) And 3rd gear was good to about 125 or so, which was usually enough to settle things.

KS