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Need to quiet down our 484 FE...
« on: March 26, 2024, 07:27:47 AM »
Right now I am running REF headers, a Magnaflow X pipe, and Magnaflow Street-Series mufflers (straight thru design, not chambered).  I am considering some quieter mufflers, but I'm curious if this has any effect on the amount of perceivable header ping.  I'd really rather not have to change out those headers if I can avoid it.  It's louder at the engine bay than behind the tailpipes at idle.  Younger me wouldn't care, but older me needs something quieter so I don't feel guilty firing it up on a Saturday morning.   

I'm struggling to understand the sound dynamic difference between this and other cars I've built over the years.  I had a cammed GT500 with long tube headers and a similar exhaust setup, and the engine bay was quiet by comparison.  I imagine the wall thickness was greater on those Kooks headers than the REFs.  All of the sound was behind the car.  That's what I'd like on the Mach 1.

If I just swap out the mufflers for something quieter, do you think it'll get me what I'm looking for, or should I start looking for a different set of headers or exhaust manifolds? 

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Re: Need to quiet down our 484 FE...
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2024, 08:52:41 AM »
I have my 482 choked down pretty good.
Old Small Hookers, 2 1/2" Heavy wall steel pipe with mandrel bends and two welded Thrush chamber cans
all the way past the valance.
It's still really loud.
If you find a quite switch that you can buy I'm all in. ;D

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« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2024, 06:01:31 PM »
I wonder if wrapping the headers would change the engine bay sound enough to be more "pleasant"? I've wrapped mid-pipes on various vehicles. There's some change in sound but I couldn't classify is as more quiet. Just different.
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« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2024, 08:40:46 PM »
Coolest sounding street car I ever witnessed was a 71 Mustang with a very stout 351C.
It had long tube headers (don't know what brand etc) and full chambered "stock type" mufflers.
Full length system.

At idle with a slightly rumpity cam it sounded awesome!

You could hear the headers slightly "ring" with each exhaust pulse if you knew what to listen for,
and out back was a quiet rumble.
Not offensive at all.

A close second was my 69 Cyclone CJ with a brand new OEM replacement exhaust system.
When I got the car in the late 70's the original system was rotted out, and not knowing any better...
I ordered a complete system from the manifolds back from my local Ford dealer.
Still had the CJ exhaust manifolds on it.

The exhaust note was "just right" but minus the header noise.
Again, a quiet rumble that never got offensive even when the loud pedal was on the floor.
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Re: Need to quiet down our 484 FE...
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2024, 10:18:33 AM »
I have Hooker comps on my 427. I had flowmaster 40's and electric cut outs. It was pretty loud. My biggest issue was the cutouts would start leaking after a couple minutes after you closed them. Then you'd open and close them again and a couple of miles later they's start leaking again. I finally bought a set of Varex X Force electronic mufflers. They an outfit out of Australia. I'm pretty darn happy with them. When closed, they are quieter than the Flowmasters by about 25% (if i had to guess) and when open they are slightly louder than the flowmasters were. And of course you can either use a supplied remote control or an app on your phone which is what I use.

It's perfect for me because when I leave for the local Cars n Coffee at 7am I don't want to bother the neighbors and I feel that this is about as quiet as it could possibly be and I've had no complaints. If anything I wish it was a little louder when open. If I could find a set of electric cutouts that absolutly didn't leak I'd install those as well.  Here's a video of them closed.

https://youtu.be/v2mzYmfb0Nk?feature=shared

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Re: Need to quiet down our 484 FE...
« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2024, 12:48:40 PM »
I have Hooker comps on my 427. I had flowmaster 40's and electric cut outs. It was pretty loud. My biggest issue was the cutouts would start leaking after a couple minutes after you closed them. Then you'd open and close them again and a couple of miles later they's start leaking again. I finally bought a set of Varex X Force electronic mufflers. They an outfit out of Australia. I'm pretty darn happy with them. When closed, they are quieter than the Flowmasters by about 25% (if i had to guess) and when open they are slightly louder than the flowmasters were. And of course you can either use a supplied remote control or an app on your phone which is what I use.

It's perfect for me because when I leave for the local Cars n Coffee at 7am I don't want to bother the neighbors and I feel that this is about as quiet as it could possibly be and I've had no complaints. If anything I wish it was a little louder when open. If I could find a set of electric cutouts that absolutly didn't leak I'd install those as well.  Here's a video of them closed.

https://youtu.be/v2mzYmfb0Nk?feature=shared

Do you hear more volume from the tailpipes or the engine bay?  Our Mach 1 is ridiculously loud in the engine bay- all from the headers I suspect.  The exhaust note is minimal except under load.  I even have 2 layers of sound deadening in the cabin (including thick MLV) and it's unbearable.  This is coming from a guy who used to drive with a 5" exhaust sticking out the front bumper on another Mustang, straight dump from a 91mm turbo.  I know loud.   

I'm debating putting much quieter mufflers on, but I can't imagine that would have any effect on the engine bay.  Standing in front of the car is significantly louder than standing behind it at idle. 

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Re: Need to quiet down our 484 FE...
« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2024, 01:00:15 PM »
I wonder if wrapping the headers would change the engine bay sound enough to be more "pleasant"? I've wrapped mid-pipes on various vehicles. There's some change in sound but I couldn't classify is as more quiet. Just different.

Not sure.  I have wrapped exhausts before and didn't notice too much of a sound difference.  I can see it helping reduce the ringing noise, but it's more of the exhaust pulse expansion that I hear towards the engine bay.  Those REF headers are thin wall.

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Re: Need to quiet down our 484 FE...
« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2024, 09:14:18 PM »
Yeah, it sounds like it may be your headers? I would have never guessed such a thing. You can hear in the video I posted....I rev it to about 3000 rpm while standing over the engine, you can actually hear the fan over the sound of the motor. So no, it's def lounder at the tail pipe than at the motor.



I have Hooker comps on my 427. I had flowmaster 40's and electric cut outs. It was pretty loud. My biggest issue was the cutouts would start leaking after a couple minutes after you closed them. Then you'd open and close them again and a couple of miles later they's start leaking again. I finally bought a set of Varex X Force electronic mufflers. They an outfit out of Australia. I'm pretty darn happy with them. When closed, they are quieter than the Flowmasters by about 25% (if i had to guess) and when open they are slightly louder than the flowmasters were. And of course you can either use a supplied remote control or an app on your phone which is what I use.

It's perfect for me because when I leave for the local Cars n Coffee at 7am I don't want to bother the neighbors and I feel that this is about as quiet as it could possibly be and I've had no complaints. If anything I wish it was a little louder when open. If I could find a set of electric cutouts that absolutly didn't leak I'd install those as well.  Here's a video of them closed.

https://youtu.be/v2mzYmfb0Nk?feature=shared

Do you hear more volume from the tailpipes or the engine bay?  Our Mach 1 is ridiculously loud in the engine bay- all from the headers I suspect.  The exhaust note is minimal except under load.  I even have 2 layers of sound deadening in the cabin (including thick MLV) and it's unbearable.  This is coming from a guy who used to drive with a 5" exhaust sticking out the front bumper on another Mustang, straight dump from a 91mm turbo.  I know loud.   

I'm debating putting much quieter mufflers on, but I can't imagine that would have any effect on the engine bay.  Standing in front of the car is significantly louder than standing behind it at idle.
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Re: Need to quiet down our 484 FE...
« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2024, 10:04:46 PM »
An x-pipe adds an extra “tick”……,,

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Re: Need to quiet down our 484 FE...
« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2024, 10:18:01 AM »
I don't have any good videos, but we have the same setup on the '67 Mustang. REF's, X-pipe. It's nothing like you're describing. Definitely louder than stock, but the noise level isn't much different than when the car had FPA tri-y headers on it and an H-pipe.

I'm not certain what mufflers these are. We asked the exhaust shop to make it sound acceptable and streetable and this is what he chose.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USdS3deCBC4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWn1tm4IdtE






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Re: Need to quiet down our 484 FE...
« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2024, 11:01:54 AM »
I think I have found the noise problem. I forgot to put the mufflers back on.  ::)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbgTW8R-s08
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Re: Need to quiet down our 484 FE...
« Reply #11 on: March 28, 2024, 08:56:33 PM »
That’s funny Howie...

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Re: Need to quiet down our 484 FE...
« Reply #12 on: March 28, 2024, 09:44:42 PM »
It would be interesting to see the difference in power levels between a quiet muffler and existing headers set up, and then full flow mufflers with a "good" cast iron manifold. Just thinking out loud....
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Re: Need to quiet down our 484 FE...
« Reply #13 on: March 28, 2024, 11:43:18 PM »
Don't feel bad. I once, many years ago, did a tune-up for a friend. Chrysler product with the huge fins. Got it all back together, and it wouldn't start. I went over it for close to an hour, including removing the diz cap multiple times. Finally noticed the brand new rotor laying over on the fender. Put it in and it started right up ;D

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Re: Need to quiet down our 484 FE...
« Reply #14 on: March 29, 2024, 04:17:35 AM »
I don't have any good videos, but we have the same setup on the '67 Mustang. REF's, X-pipe. It's nothing like you're describing. Definitely louder than stock, but the noise level isn't much different than when the car had FPA tri-y headers on it and an H-pipe.

I'm not certain what mufflers these are. We asked the exhaust shop to make it sound acceptable and streetable and this is what he chose.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USdS3deCBC4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWn1tm4IdtE




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Re: Need to quiet down our 484 FE...
« Reply #15 on: March 29, 2024, 08:36:22 PM »
I run FPA headers x-pipe with flowmaster not sure what flowmasters they are it is not quiet but it dose not make your head ring sounds louder in the shed idling 800rpm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNs5J-tukZk

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Re: Need to quiet down our 484 FE...
« Reply #16 on: April 08, 2024, 07:08:09 AM »
I think I discovered part of the issue with sound.  Two primaries have a leak where they enter the slip-fit collector on the driver's side.  There is a burn pattern where exhaust gasses have jetted out and fire forward (hence the noise).  But, it's very well hidden.  This also explains why I smell like I've been riding a motorcycle after taking this thing for a quick drive up the road and back.

Short of trying to expand the primary pipes and making it a nightmare to remove and re-install, what can be done about sealing up those gaps?  Are there donut gaskets that can be used?  I have read that any paste-type sealant will eventually blow out. 

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« Reply #17 on: April 08, 2024, 12:55:54 PM »
If you know someone that has a TIG welder and they have a good understanding of what you need done, that might be an option.  Probably the most amount of work but it would definitely be a permanent solution.

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« Reply #18 on: April 08, 2024, 04:36:14 PM »
Do you have the headers coated with anything? All the sets of REF's that I have done have been Jet-Hot coated. The coating leaves a bit of white residue inside the pipes and makes them fit very tight. When I did mock-up I could slide that collector on, after coating I had to use a rubber mallet to get the collector on.
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« Reply #19 on: April 09, 2024, 06:38:58 AM »
Do you have the headers coated with anything? All the sets of REF's that I have done have been Jet-Hot coated. The coating leaves a bit of white residue inside the pipes and makes them fit very tight. When I did mock-up I could slide that collector on, after coating I had to use a rubber mallet to get the collector on.

I had mine Jet-Hot coated in 2020.  The collector pipes were very difficult to install but apparently there's just enough of a gap to jet exhaust gasses and sound.  It's a little embarrassing that I've been chasing a header leak like this for 2 years, but in my defense it doesn't sound like a typical leak.  I really thought it was just the way the headers were until I saw the tiny 0.5" scorch marks firing forwards on two primaries.  It's so minor overall that I'd guess most people would just run it and not care (especially at the track, which this is not a track car), but I need this car to be quiet and fume-free.  I took it for a 10 mile drive over the weekend and I reeked of exhaust when I got home.

I unfortunately can't weld the primaries to the collector because it would be impossible to remove the headers without destroying them and there's no way to get a torch in to weld the center areas.  Getting those REF headers installed was a puzzle I don't ever want to mess with again.

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« Reply #20 on: April 09, 2024, 07:39:31 AM »
I think what Urgefor means is you could tig a bead of weld around inside the collector or outside of the primary tubes so you get a tighter fit once the collector is fitted up tight.

If it is that bad that you smell like exhaust after driving your car sounds like the leak is pretty bad and it is getting inside the car. I would find out how those fumes are getting inside the car first that should not be happening could be firewall floor or trunk and i would think trunk or the rear of the car some place.

you could start the car on a car hoist and see if you can spot other leaks.
 

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« Reply #21 on: April 09, 2024, 07:50:39 AM »
I think what Urgefor means is you could tig a bead of weld around inside the collector or outside of the primary tubes so you get a tighter fit once the collector is fitted up tight.

If it is that bad that you smell like exhaust after driving your car sounds like the leak is pretty bad and it is getting inside the car. I would find out how those fumes are getting inside the car first that should not be happening could be firewall floor or trunk and i would think trunk or the rear of the car some place.

you could start the car on a car hoist and see if you can spot other leaks.

I'll put it on the lift next weekend and inspect all along both collectors.  I have the firewall plugged up pretty well but I'll check for any areas I might have missed.  The floor is sealed.

Regarding welding, that does make sense and I hadn't considered that approach- basically weld a tight bead around the inside and grind it to fit, just adding a few thou when done.  I can try that, might be really tough because it's over-locating everything and was a nightmare to install as-is.   

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« Reply #22 on: April 09, 2024, 08:03:04 AM »
Welding would be a good fix but to really do it properly you should remove it you could get it fitting up nice and tight then we all know that is a huge pain and most cars to remove any fe exhaust headers.

You could try aluminium tape as well could be hard to make that work at the collector but there is Aluminium tape you can buy for small slip joint leaks could be a cheap thing to try fist see if that stops the fumes.

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« Reply #23 on: April 09, 2024, 08:15:58 AM »
Welding would be a good fix but to really do it properly you should remove it you could get it fitting up nice and tight then we all know that is a huge pain and most cars to remove any fe exhaust headers.

You could try aluminium tape as well could be hard to make that work at the collector but there is Aluminium tape you can buy for small slip joint leaks could be a cheap thing to try fist see if that stops the fumes.

I can try that.  I have shim stock down to 0.002" too.  I read that some people have success with ultracopper permatex but others say it blows out.  Given how small of a gap this must be, I might give that a try too.  No clue how hard it'll be to remove the collectors someday though.  I might have to make a jig with a draw bar. 

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« Reply #24 on: April 09, 2024, 12:28:56 PM »
You may be able to fit a small band clamp on the joints, the can be effective.

Also, ceramic coating can change the sound, and in theory build a little on the pipe, also not sure I'd call it a leak fix

Finally, the most quiet performance mufflers I have found are Jones Full Boar.  I run them on my 461 F100, they bark at full throttle but very quiet when driving easy, even with a full 3 inch exhaust
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« Reply #25 on: April 09, 2024, 01:14:35 PM »
None of this makes sense to me. I've had slip joint headers that showed the black marks from exhaust exiting between the joints....never smelled anything, or heard leaks. IF there was anything to hear, it was only at full throttle, where I couldn't hear it anyway over the carb and/or exhaust note. I most definitely never smelled like exhaust from driving, or smelled it at all for that matter.

Not counting a really REALLY bad leak at the head or collector, the only way I've smelled exhaust in the car (also a Mach 1), was when my exhaust terminated at the rear axle, OR when the exhaust didn't protrude past the rear valance, where it gets trapped under the car and makes its way back into the trunk, or back to the side windows. That is definitely an issue. I just don't believe a small joint leak could produce enough fumes to smell inside, let alone cover the driver. Almost 40 years of driving my Mach, with different engines, different headers, different mufflers...or no exhaust at all, that is my experience.

Sound can be a funny thing. Certain frequencies can trigger really annoying reactions, especially as a person ages and their hearing changes. It may be the case here, where a certain frequency from those particular thin wall headers is just not playing well with your hearing. But in fairness, I've never ran REF headers, so can't say whether or not they are worse, or just different, than others.
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Re: Need to quiet down our 484 FE...
« Reply #26 on: April 09, 2024, 04:41:05 PM »
Can you post some photo's of your exhaust system CV355?

I agree with CJ I think something else is going on as far as the fumes go.

As for the sound that tricky to say how to make it better.

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« Reply #27 on: April 09, 2024, 06:57:43 PM »
Smelly eh.
It has to be in good tune and the headers flanges at the heads have to be leak free.
No leaking oil on to the headers.
If you have an open scoop or a big hole in the hood that will let the smell out.
The back of the hood must seal to the gasket.
I have a Youtube video of Bucky burning one. ::)
It does nothing though if you have an open hood.
What type of PCV system are you using? That is the smell extractor.
I have two big holes in my hood so the smell leaves the engine bay and goes to the cowl.
But, I have the cowl blocked so it can't get in. ;D

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« Reply #28 on: April 09, 2024, 07:36:27 PM »
I can get my headers in and out of the car bolted to the engine.
I just took the 482 out with the headers bolted up. All 32 bolts and no leaks
after years and years of service.
That's why I love those old Hookers.
They are just so easy to get into and out of.
Love Hookers.

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« Reply #29 on: April 10, 2024, 01:27:46 AM »
That's why I love those old Hookers.
They are just so easy to get into and out of.
Love Hookers.

Too much information!!!   :o

I can't lie though.  I have a couple old Hookers in my car as well.  8)
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« Reply #30 on: April 10, 2024, 02:50:40 AM »
There is a very interesting thread going on at ST, regarding exhaust noise:

https://www.speed-talk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=68357

It is something that should help in a street engine, too. Might be worth a try.
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« Reply #31 on: April 10, 2024, 07:13:42 AM »
None of this makes sense to me. I've had slip joint headers that showed the black marks from exhaust exiting between the joints....never smelled anything, or heard leaks. IF there was anything to hear, it was only at full throttle, where I couldn't hear it anyway over the carb and/or exhaust note. I most definitely never smelled like exhaust from driving, or smelled it at all for that matter.

Not counting a really REALLY bad leak at the head or collector, the only way I've smelled exhaust in the car (also a Mach 1), was when my exhaust terminated at the rear axle, OR when the exhaust didn't protrude past the rear valance, where it gets trapped under the car and makes its way back into the trunk, or back to the side windows. That is definitely an issue. I just don't believe a small joint leak could produce enough fumes to smell inside, let alone cover the driver. Almost 40 years of driving my Mach, with different engines, different headers, different mufflers...or no exhaust at all, that is my experience.

Sound can be a funny thing. Certain frequencies can trigger really annoying reactions, especially as a person ages and their hearing changes. It may be the case here, where a certain frequency from those particular thin wall headers is just not playing well with your hearing. But in fairness, I've never ran REF headers, so can't say whether or not they are worse, or just different, than others.

I'm putting the car up on the lift this weekend, checking every connection and re-torquing all of the exhaust flange bolts just to be safe.  I see no smoke, there are no oil leaks anywhere.  I do have electric cutouts but they are sealed well and it's all welded from the collector flange back to the mufflers.

Here's an example of the noise level in front of the car vs behind at the tailpipes. 
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« Reply #32 on: April 10, 2024, 07:23:22 AM »
Sounds great to me!

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« Reply #33 on: April 10, 2024, 08:13:34 AM »
sounds good to me too
The cut outs I would think that is your fume problem

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« Reply #34 on: April 10, 2024, 08:33:43 AM »
Awesome car.
Sounds like exhaust under the hood.
Open the hood and do a sound check.

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« Reply #35 on: April 10, 2024, 09:03:43 AM »
None of this makes sense to me. I've had slip joint headers that showed the black marks from exhaust exiting between the joints....never smelled anything, or heard leaks. IF there was anything to hear, it was only at full throttle, where I couldn't hear it anyway over the carb and/or exhaust note. I most definitely never smelled like exhaust from driving, or smelled it at all for that matter.

I agree as it doesn't make any sense to me either. Something under the car must be missing, like a shifter boot, or holes in the floor pan are allowing the smell in. Maybe firewall gaps yet airflow should not allow it. Maybe test the cowl by using some blue painter's tape to seal it off 100% as see if that makes any difference.
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« Reply #36 on: April 11, 2024, 07:09:26 AM »
My sound check.
Both my FE's running. 428 with Hookers and 482 with Hookers.
If either one of mine was making that much noise under the hood I be changing something.
My Bro even said exhaust. The 482 pop just once and then 15 mins later shut down on the pass.
Pertronix let me down.

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« Reply #37 on: April 11, 2024, 02:16:10 PM »
My sound check.
Both my FE's running. 428 with Hookers and 482 with Hookers.
If either one of mine was making that much noise under the hood I be changing something.
My Bro even said exhaust. The 482 pop just once and then 15 mins later shut down on the pass.
Pertronix let me down.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Rb1R_2wkHvk

Yours sounds excellent.  It looks like everyone is in agreement that the sound I'm experiencing is not typical header ping and there's a leak somewhere.  I'll re-torque everything and try again.  I'd love to get this resolved without having to change out exhaust components.

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« Reply #38 on: April 11, 2024, 04:25:28 PM »
Just my opinion but I don't think a header leak is your problem a header leak sounds more like a tick
the ring problem could be from your headers i could see that if they are made out of really thin or even stainless can can make it sound tinny.

I would delete the cut-outs first or make them removeable every one I have ever know who has used them has never had good luck and have problems with them not sealing and leaking over time
after they have been deleted test and if it changes anything it may fix sound and smell problem it one hit they are the biggest potential leak area.

Just my opinion but that is what I would try first I hope you get it sorted.   

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« Reply #39 on: April 11, 2024, 09:00:57 PM »
I would delete the cut-outs first or make them removeable every one I have ever know who has used them has never had good luck and have problems with them not sealing and leaking over time

Agreed. My Fairlane had Granatelli electric cut outs on it from the previous owner. Took me a minute but I eventually noticed that they always seemed to be leaking. I'd close them, sounded good. But a few mins later.....leaking loud enough to bother me. I eventually yanked em and installed electronic mufflers. Pretty quiet when closed and noticeably louder when open. Way better than the cut outs and Flowmaster 40's that were on there.

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« Reply #40 on: April 16, 2024, 08:06:38 AM »
I went through and made sure every header bolt was torqued, nothing had loosened and there was no evidence of a leak at the heads.  I think the issue is at the collectors, and it directs the noise towards the front of the car.  I crawled under while the engine was running and there is no leak anywhere near the cutouts.  There is no room for a clamp, short of me removing the collectors, slotting each primary tube and welding on draw tabs.  I may try the permatex method and hope it doesn't blow out.

I did find the main culprit for the exhaust stench.  The hood scoop blinker harness had pulled forward (CVF hinges open higher, so I needed a larger strain relief) and the grommets were no longer sealed up by the cowl.  That was an easy fix.  Every other area was sealed properly on the firewall and under the car.

Overall it is running great and I have worked out every other major issue.  Drives are getting more enjoyable and less nerve-wracking. 

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« Reply #41 on: April 16, 2024, 09:54:24 AM »
Glad to hear your getting it sorted out