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Calliope Engine Project
« on: December 21, 2023, 03:36:48 PM »
Here's a couple pictures of one of the coolest engines Ford ever built:





For those who don't know anything about this engine, here's a little background.  After winning LeMans in 1966 and 1967 in GT-40s with FE 427 engines, Ford was planning to go back to LeMans in 1968 with a new engine.  This engine was very loosely based on the new for '68 385 series engine, but had dramatic engineering changes compared to the production engine.  The engine had 2 intake valves and one exhaust valve per cylinder, and the valves were pushrod actuated with two different camshafts in the block, one cam with 16 lobes in the normal position to run the 16 intake rockers, and a second cam in the block above the first which ran the 8 exhaust rockers.  The exhaust pushrods ran horizontally from the cam to the exhaust rockers.   

Built into the cylinder heads were the injector stacks, so that no traditional intake manifold would be required.  The presence of the stacks apparently reminded Ford engineers of a calliope pipe organ, which is how the engine got it's nickname.  The bundle of snakes headers shown in the pictures were designed to fit the Ford GT-40 Mk IV chassis.  The engine also featured a dry sump system incorporated in the pan, which was claimed to provide crankcase vacuum in addition to oil pressure and control. 

The engine was 427 cubic inches in order to meet LeMans rules, but prior to the 1968 LeMans race, the sanctioning body outlawed 7 liter engines, making smaller engines mandatory.  As a result the project was stillborn after the rule change, and Ford corporate bailed on racing at LeMans (although independent teams won again with GT-40s in 1968 and 1969, running small blocks).  The Calliope engine itself disappeared from view for many years.  Apparently only two of the engines were produced, and only one is still existing, at the Ford museum in Dearborn.  Dyno testing by Ford back in the day showed the engine delivered 630 HP, which would have been a big step up in the LeMans cars compared to the FE engine.

My friend Dan Schoneck learned about the Calliope engine a few years ago and after asking a bunch of questions of various contacts, found out that the original foundry tooling for the engine was still in existence.  From what I understand the tooling originally went to Holman and Moody, and then was sold to a well known parts manufacturer on the west coast in the 1980s.  I don't have permission to reveal who had the tooling, but most of us would know his company.  In any case, Dan finally found out who had the tooling, and arranged to buy it all; he came back with it this past summer. 

Over the last 12 years I've developed a lot of foundry experience and tooling contacts, and this was one project I was very interested in getting involved in.  So after getting a look at the tooling Dan brought back, and figuring out what we had, I volunteered to bring it to my foundry's attention and see if they would be interested in casting it.  This was a bit of a sales job, because the volumes of this project were not going to be high, and working with tooling from the 1960s would certainly be a little risky, but I put together a presentation for the foundry and they were interested enough to give us the go ahead for casting the cylinder heads.  I also got my local pattern shop involved, because I know the owner there very well and he loves doing this kind of stuff.  The owner has years of experience designing the feed system which channels aluminum into the mold properly.  This is a critical part of any aluminum casting and was going to be required because the tooling was prototype tooling from Ford, and did not have sprues, risers, gating, or any feed system that normal foundry tooling has.  This meant that Ford originally cut all these features into the sand cores by hand.  My pattern guy has the experience to do the same thing, so he is an important part of the project.

Dan delivered the tooling to the foundry a couple weeks ago, and yesterday we got started on trying to pour a cylinder head.  The Ford tooling is super cool; most of it is hand made from mahogany, and each tooling box is labeled with a Ford XE number.  Apparently the XE number for the Ford Calliope cylinder head is XE-139612.  See the tags on the cylinder head end core box below.



Pictures of some of the sand molds are below.  This is the drag, which is the bottom of the mold:




The intake port cores are individual, and look like this:




The exhaust ports cores are all molded in a single piece.  It's interesting to see how the port widens out into an oval shape as it exits the head:




There are also cores for each end of the cylinder head, and the bottom of the intake runners.  We assembled all these parts on the drag to get a look at how it all fits together:






The core below closes over the top of the previous mold:




Then the cope, which is the top of the mold, is installed and the mold is ready for pouring.  Unfortunately, we ran into a problem with the Ford tooling when it came to the water jacket core.  This is a very complex set of three cores, with sand thicknesses down to around 0.100".  The foundry guys had trouble getting the sand packed into these molds by hand; our guess is that Ford had a machine to do that, which the foundry doesn't have.  Also, even if the mold got completely filled, there was difficulty getting the cores out of the molds without breaking them.  Pictures of the core box for the lower water jacket core is below, the second one showing the sand after the box was split back apart after filling.  In the second picture we are using glue to hold the sand core together after it broke coming out of the mold.






There are three water jacket cores like this, that need to be glued together and then set into the mold.  After spending hours just trying to get a good one, I suggested that we go to a 3D printed version, and make it a single core.  We are lucky that Dan has the masters for these cores (the masters are what the 3 finished cores are supposed to look like).  Dan is going to get them 3D scanned so that we have a file showing what the completed water jacket core is supposed to look like, and then we can get them printed in sand so that we don't have to fight with getting decent cores out of the Ford tooling.

Due to the issues with the water jacket we didn't get to pour a head yet.  Hopefully in a month we will be back at the foundry with water jacket cores so we can get some of these poured.  Of course, getting good castings is just the beginning of the work.  Next they need to be machined, which means machining fixtures will have to be made, and there will be some guessing on the where all the surfaces and holes need to be, because we don't have blueprints for the engine.  However, Dan has arranged with the Ford museum to be there and get a detailed look at the engine that they do have, so hopefully that will point us in the right direction.

The block is also going to be an issue, because a standard 429/460 block is nowhere near close to working.  The Calliope engine used Cooper rings for sealing the head to the block, and has no provision for water passages from the block to the head; instead, the water from the dual water pumps flows through the block to the back, makes a U-turn into the head at the back via an external fitting, and flows out of the front of the head.  Also, the head bolt locations are completely different; there are actually 8 bolts around each cylinder on the Calliope engine, and none of them are in the normal head bolt position in the block.  On top of all that, Dan is missing some tooling for the block, and we will have to go to a different foundry for the block because the foundry we are using can't pour a part as large as an engine block.  So, basically this is the beginning of a fairly long project, but Dan is committed to getting it done.  For my part, I just want to see one of these things running on the dyno ;-)

I will post updates on this project as they happen - Jay
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« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2023, 03:58:13 PM »
WOW! Super cool project!

Wishing you best of luck on getting this to the dyno.
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« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2023, 06:35:13 PM »
All I can say is what you guys are doing is amazing.   

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« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2023, 07:29:56 PM »
The Calliope that I saw was in the lobby of the Ford Dyno Building when I worked there back in the late 80's.  That one didn't have injector stacks.  Instead it had a brace of original 58mm Webers on top  :o There's no doubt that it was a Calliope because of the big placard describing it.

It's amazing the stuff they had lying around back then.  The poor engine had old coffee cups lying on it...  Right across the lobby was a 1963 pushrod Indy small block.  Somebody finally got smart around 1990 and scooped up those two engines for Ford's collection.

Great project Jay!  "Ambition" should be your middle name...
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« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2023, 08:44:26 PM »
Yes, ambition is rampant in Jay's garage! Wow, never thought anyone would revitalize this engine after all this time. IIRC, it did make good power although a tad heavy compared to all-aluminum BBC's (497's, Can-Am). One very cool project! All we need now is a McLaren, Lola T-70 or GT-40 based chassis. 
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« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2023, 10:07:44 PM »
Wow, a very neat project.  Lots of little parts will have to be made to complete it.

We should start a betting pool for the date the engine makes its first complete dyno pull. 

This engine also gives a very different meaning to twin cams. 

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« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2023, 10:24:54 PM »
Somewhere upstairs I still have the magazine with the coverage (Car & Driver IIRC) of the Calliope, the G7-A and the Honker II (named after John Holman). Really great old articles with color cutaways and breakdowns of the engine and the cars like they used to do. The Can-Am Series was going big on engines then, like the 494, and they toyed with the Calliope

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« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2023, 02:52:06 AM »


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« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2023, 04:35:15 AM »
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« Reply #9 on: December 27, 2023, 08:31:45 AM »
Drag week 2027.. Dr Browm mops up the NA big block class.. Freiburger loses his mind
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« Reply #10 on: December 27, 2023, 09:27:21 AM »
Drag week 2027.. Dr Browm mops up the NA big block class.. Freiburger loses his mind

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« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2023, 03:13:53 AM »
That is a cool project.
If the block is even close to the 460 style you may be able to get one made or semi-finished by an existing supplier. Glen May had blocks cast for his Boss 429 ProMod using Cleveland main bearings, no water jackets and other non-production things. I think Carroll Carter but there are others.

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« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2023, 02:33:45 PM »
are you going to need that caliope block for the heads?personally,i would like to see a boss 429 heads configured to an fe block.now that theres godd blocks around for the extra hp!
they already have them for sbf

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« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2023, 05:18:15 PM »
The Calliope block has two cams in it so yes, the block will be required.
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« Reply #14 on: December 31, 2023, 03:12:16 PM »
The two cam thing will probably not work with any cast block anyone makes. A billet block will add a huge challenge and expense.

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« Reply #15 on: January 01, 2024, 09:34:36 AM »
Make a saddle that lives in the block valley for the second cam.  drive it off the regular cam.. A guy who designs heads and intake from scratch could handle that!
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« Reply #16 on: January 01, 2024, 11:17:19 AM »
It would be nice if it was that easy.  But the head bolts are in different positions, and there are tabs on the Calliope block where the inside and outside head bolts go.  Plus there are no water jacket holes in the Calliope block.  I might be able to take a standard block and mock it up with the heads, but I don't think you could run it...
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« Reply #17 on: January 01, 2024, 02:15:17 PM »
The Calliope was pretty much a "clean sheet" deal, lots of lessons learned from older designs. If only...

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« Reply #18 on: January 03, 2024, 03:24:24 AM »
Where there is a will there is a way ! Check the videos of the Aardema V12 . Welding tabs an aluminum 460 block would easier.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gP5213NlQog


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« Reply #19 on: January 03, 2024, 10:44:34 AM »
I am with Tom on this one...  Maybe obtain an un-machined Ford Motorsports 460 block?
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« Reply #20 on: January 04, 2024, 11:22:19 PM »
There is a place here in Metro Detroit that has the ability and willingness to create any sort of billet block you might want. They're a bit pricey but with enough money, anything is possible. (How about 385 blocks and heads with five inch bore centers and machined-in external water jackets. A 4.675 bore requires a 3.6 stroke to produce 494 CID.) ;)

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« Reply #21 on: January 05, 2024, 05:33:00 PM »
   Jay, on one of several visits to my (late) friend Rick Kirk's place in Oklahoma (mid-late '80s) he related to me that he was once literally minutes away from acquiring one of the Calliope engines from one of his well connected Ford contacts.  According to Rick the gentleman got cold feet at the last minute but Rick did leave with a collection of Calliope engineering drawings, which he showed me.
   My hat is off to you guys for what you are doing - too bad Rick is no longer with us to help you in your efforts.   Randy M

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« Reply #22 on: January 09, 2024, 07:22:10 PM »
Found a FB link about the Calliope. Hope this opens.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1597674397277203/?hoisted_section_header_type=recently_seen&multi_permalinks=2056882364689735

Jay, perhaps you could contact this fellow. Who knows, he may have spare parts or more.

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« Reply #23 on: January 09, 2024, 10:47:06 PM »
Found a FB link about the Calliope. Hope this opens.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1597674397277203/?hoisted_section_header_type=recently_seen&multi_permalinks=2056882364689735

Jay, perhaps you could contact this fellow. Who knows, he may have spare parts or more.

The person who originally posted that - Dan Schoneck - is who acquired the tooling and is doing the project

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« Reply #24 on: January 10, 2024, 10:07:18 AM »
Ah, didn't know that!
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« Reply #25 on: January 11, 2024, 05:07:03 PM »
Quite cool Jay

As if you don't have enough ingots in the fire, lol.
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« Reply #26 on: January 12, 2024, 11:17:15 PM »
Very cool, Jay!
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« Reply #27 on: January 13, 2024, 03:16:05 PM »
Very cool to get to see that engine in person.

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« Reply #28 on: February 23, 2024, 03:59:41 PM »
Nice article in Hot Rod about the Calliope project.  We are currently waiting for a slot to open up at the foundry so we can cast the heads.  3D printed water jacket cores are done...

https://www.motortrend.com/news/experimental-ford-lemans-v8-calliope-big-block-discovered/
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« Reply #29 on: February 23, 2024, 04:27:58 PM »
Nice article in Hot Rod about the Calliope project.  We are currently waiting for a slot to open up at the foundry so we can cast the heads.  3D printed water jacket cores are done...

https://www.motortrend.com/news/experimental-ford-lemans-v8-calliope-big-block-discovered/

Cool article, and some nice rarely seen Calliope pictures. Too bad Motortrend made the common mistake of mis-identifying the early Boss 429 engine by calling it a 427 SOHC, in the bottom right of their own Hot Rod magazine cover photo. It sure would be nice if these media outlets would ask someone to proofread their stuff  ;)
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« Reply #30 on: February 26, 2024, 03:19:08 PM »
Yes, notices that and it makes me wonder when the picture was taken that they have a Boss 429 by then?

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« Reply #31 on: March 11, 2024, 01:32:05 PM »
It's been a pretty exciting few days on this project.  Our first stab at building the mold for the Calliope heads ended when we were not able to make up a good water jacket core from the Ford tooling; we figure that Ford had a machine that blew the sand into these cores, and the foundry we are at didn't have an equivalent machine.  Starting in January Dan and his brother Derek worked to pour some plastic resin into the Ford molds, to make plastic models of the water jacket cores.  These were then glued together into a model of the complete water jacket.  After this model was test fit into one of the drag molds that we made at the foundry, the model was 3D scanned and a file was created electronically.  This electronic model was then provided to the 3D sand printing place, and after a couple weeks Dan had some one piece, 3D printed sand water jacket cores. 

We were able to get into the foundry last Friday.  The water jacket core fit perfectly.  We also had the pattern guy at the foundry, because he was needed to cut the gating and the risers in the correct position so that the head would pour properly.  This was a bit of a shot in the dark, and we figured we had a 50/50 chance to get good castings out of the first pours, but even if the first ones were no good we would be able to modify the gating and riser system to make corrections.

The two pictures below show the drag mold with the gating cut into it, and also with the 3D printed water jacket core installed:






Here's a couple shots of the completed mold before the top was installed:






Starting at the foundry at 5 AM, it took us almost until noon to get the gating cut in the sand, the molds assembled, and two of the heads poured.  It took about 7 ladles of aluminum to fill the mold, which is a lot, but the foundry guys got it done and the pour went smoothly.  We left the foundry on Friday feeling hopeful about the results.

This morning was breakout.  Each mold probably used close to 1000 pounds of sand, and the sand is like a rock, so sledge hammers and impact hammers were needed to clear all the sand away from the castings.  Took probably 30 minutes or more to do the first one, but when we got the sand off initial inspection of the castings looked good!  Pictures of the raw castings are below:












Normally the foundry trims the gating and risers off the raw casting, to leave the "trimmed" casting, but Dan couldn't wait LOL!  He ran off to Menards to get a Sawzall and an electric impact and cut the gating and risers off himself.  This also gave us access to clear all the sand out of the ports and do a detailed inspection of the inside of the ports.  I was worried about this part because the port walls aren't that thick near the water jacket, and if the pour hadn't gone just right, we could see some casting voids in this area.  But to my surprise and relief, both castings looked excellent.  One of the castings had a minor porosity issue in the valve cover area, that can easily be welded; other than that, they are beautiful!  Here are some pictures of one of the trimmed castings:














The trimmed castings weigh 67 pounds!  I guess heads get a little heavy when the intake manifold is included in the head.  I think it is just super cool that no one has seen a casting like this since the Ford foundry guys in 1967!

Next steps on these castings are to have the foundry deburr and heat treat them to T6; then it's time for machining them.  It will be a while on this because we will need to design and build fixtures, then write the CNC programs and start the machining operations.  We have a strategy on this already, but still need to settle on valve seats, valve guides, etc.  Dan has found the guy with all the blueprints for this engine and has purchased them, so hopefully soon we will have blueprints to guide our CNC programming.  We are still a long ways away from having a running engine, but with the heads in process we have a pretty good start.  I will update this thread with new information as it becomes available - Jay
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« Reply #32 on: March 11, 2024, 01:54:39 PM »
To say that this undertaking, and the abilities necessary to execute it, are impressive is a dramatic understatement. This is the stuff of "car guy heaven".
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Re: Calliope Engine Project
« Reply #33 on: March 11, 2024, 03:25:08 PM »
That casting looks really clean. The foundry must have some experienced guys for it to turn out that good on the first pour.
Using a CNC on those would make me a nervous wreck. One error in the coding would result in an expensive paper weight on an otherwise very nice part.
Good luck to Dan, Derek and you guys on this project.
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Re: Calliope Engine Project
« Reply #34 on: March 11, 2024, 04:36:18 PM »
You're right Doug, a machining error can happen on the first casting.  Happened on my RE and SE heads, happened on my first tunnel port head, and will probably happen on one of these.  Just the cost of getting a good program ironed out.  The good news is that very rarely will you make a paperweight out of one of these things.  Often mistakes can be welded or plugged, and if nothing else the head can be sectioned to make sure that the wall thickness of the ports is where we want it.  On my first tunnel port head I cut one half up in sections to check all those dimensions, then had seats and guides put in on the remaining half so that a valve job and flow testing could be done.  I would envision the same sort of thing with these heads, if there is some error in the machining program that makes them unusable on the engine.  Plus, more of these heads are coming...

The foundry does have some pretty experienced people, and they are all jacked up about this project.  So that is a help.  But the guy who cut the runners, gates, risers, designed the sprue, etc., is probably the guy who deserves the most credit.  There's a lot that goes into that, and his 40+ years of experience designing casting architecture really helps.
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Re: Calliope Engine Project
« Reply #35 on: March 11, 2024, 11:15:06 PM »
Super cool!  Glad it's working out so well  ;D
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Re: Calliope Engine Project
« Reply #36 on: March 12, 2024, 07:17:22 AM »
I said this over on Fb, but congrats to both you guys for getting together and making this happen. It isnt like this is any small task , this is a huge undertaking and not for the faint of heart!

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« Reply #37 on: March 12, 2024, 07:42:07 AM »
Spectacular

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Re: Calliope Engine Project
« Reply #38 on: March 12, 2024, 09:56:08 AM »
We were able to get into the foundry last Friday.........This morning was breakout.

Must have been a long weekend in waiting. Been there.

Normally the foundry trims the gating and risers off the raw casting, to leave the "trimmed" casting, but Dan couldn't wait LOL!  He ran off to Menards to get a Sawzall and an electric impact and cut the gating and risers off himself....... other than that, they are beautiful!

No more waiting.....I can relate!

The trimmed castings weigh 67 pounds!  I guess heads get a little heavy when the intake manifold is included in the head.


Not too bad considering the physical size of the head. I bet there were quite a few additional pounds in the feed/gating/risering system as well.

Next steps on these castings are to have the foundry deburr and heat treat them to T6; then it's time for machining them.  It will be a while on this because we will need to design and build fixtures, then write the CNC programs and start the machining operations.  We have a strategy on this already, but still need to settle on valve seats, valve guides, etc.

Fixturing for three or multi-axis machining?

Dan has found the guy with all the blueprints for this engine and has purchased them, so hopefully soon we will have blueprints to guide our CNC programming.  We are still a long ways away from having a running engine, but with the heads in process we have a pretty good start.  I will update this thread with new information as it becomes available - Jay

Having the source drawings is huge compared to what it would take to reverse engineer all the features and uncertainties that come along with it. Hopefully they were the final revision. -What a find.

Congrats on results and looking forward to future updates.

Best,
Kelly

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Re: Calliope Engine Project
« Reply #39 on: March 12, 2024, 12:49:08 PM »
Kelly, I will be using a 4 axis CNC machine on these heads.  There will be at least two setups required, maybe three depending on the spark plug angle...
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Re: Calliope Engine Project
« Reply #40 on: March 12, 2024, 03:29:44 PM »
AMAZING WORK JAY! so are these 3 valve or 4 valve heads?

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Re: Calliope Engine Project
« Reply #41 on: March 12, 2024, 04:39:53 PM »
They are 3 valve heads, the spark plug is positioned where the second exhaust valve would be.
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Re: Calliope Engine Project
« Reply #42 on: March 13, 2024, 09:41:57 AM »
A very cool project and I feel fortunate to be on this list where I get to observe the progress and technical details.   

I wonder when - not if for sure - we'll get to the level where we could 3D print cylinder heads in aluminum, then heat treat to the required level, then off to machining.  The equipment cost is going to preclude that for a while I'm sure.  My work has a small 3D metal printer with a build envelop of 125mm ^ 3 and the est. cost is around $500,000.   Could maybe print a cylinder head for a 110CC quad  ;D

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« Reply #43 on: March 13, 2024, 10:05:41 AM »
A very cool project and I feel fortunate to be on this list where I get to observe the progress and technical details.   

I wonder when - not if for sure - we'll get to the level where we could 3D print cylinder heads in aluminum, then heat treat to the required level, then off to machining.  The equipment cost is going to preclude that for a while I'm sure.  My work has a small 3D metal printer with a build envelop of 125mm ^ 3 and the est. cost is around $500,000.   Could maybe print a cylinder head for a 110CC quad  ;D

Maybe heads for model airplane engines? R/C boat engines? LOL, but man this new technology ain't cheap now is it?
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« Reply #44 on: March 13, 2024, 04:04:16 PM »
This is the magazine that I have upstairs somewhere, articles on the G7-A, Honker II, Calliope etc. with great cutaways. I was lucky enough to start going to Watkins Glen in '65 with the USRRC, production and sedan races that morphed into the Can-Am and.Trans-Am, and went to Mosport for the Can-AM in 67, with the first orange McLaren M6As. Also still have the race programs that prove what cars ran where with who driving, including the Glen 6-Hour Enduro with the Howmet Turbines and such. Neither the G7-A or the Honker II did very well, the G7-A was grossly overweight for that class car, being made from a MKIV endurance car
Site would not let me upload the magazine cover with the G7-A

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Re: Calliope Engine Project
« Reply #45 on: March 14, 2024, 12:50:40 PM »
Kelly, I will be using a 4 axis CNC machine on these heads.  There will be at least two setups required, maybe three depending on the spark plug angle...

Does the 4th come in the form of a rotating pallet? It's probably the least of your machining worries but line boring the throttle shafts (from each end?) may take some reach! I'm sure you've got a plan of attack.

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Kelly

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Re: Calliope Engine Project
« Reply #46 on: March 14, 2024, 02:03:53 PM »
Kelly, I will be using a 4 axis CNC machine on these heads.  There will be at least two setups required, maybe three depending on the spark plug angle...

Does the 4th come in the form of a rotating pallet? It's probably the least of your machining worries but line boring the throttle shafts (from each end?) may take some reach! I'm sure you've got a plan of attack.

Best,
Kelly

Maybe forget the throttle shafts and mount dual in-line Autolite carbs :)

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Re: Calliope Engine Project
« Reply #47 on: March 14, 2024, 02:43:01 PM »
Kelly, I will be using a 4 axis CNC machine on these heads.  There will be at least two setups required, maybe three depending on the spark plug angle...

Does the 4th come in the form of a rotating pallet? It's probably the least of your machining worries but line boring the throttle shafts (from each end?) may take some reach! I'm sure you've got a plan of attack.

Best,
Kelly

The 4th is actually a trunnion table, with one side bolting to an upright 4th axis and the other side on a pivot.  The CNC machine has 36" from the spindle nose to the table, so with a long drill I can drill at least through two of the throttle bores.  Not sure if I can get three, or all four in one drilling operation, so if I can't, it will be drill two, rotate 180 degrees, and then drill the other two.
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- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
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Re: Calliope Engine Project
« Reply #48 on: March 14, 2024, 03:15:35 PM »
You could do it on a Bridgeport, with a 90° head.

Slide throttles, would be another option.
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Re: Calliope Engine Project
« Reply #49 on: March 15, 2024, 08:30:16 AM »
.......The 4th is actually a trunnion table, with one side bolting to an upright 4th axis and the other side on a pivot.

That's how my fourth is set up. The post processor makes my head hurt. I built a universal intake machining fixture for manual machining that has a sled/table with one end mounted in a rotary table and the other in pivot.......but all manual. Serves well for one-offs but wouldn't be the end of the world to manually reposition the 4th between ops on a 3-axis machine.

The CNC machine has 36" from the spindle nose to the table,

......I'm envious....that's a real machine.

.....so with a long drill I can drill at least through two of the throttle bores.  Not sure if I can get three, or all four in one drilling operation, so if I can't, it will be drill two, rotate 180 degrees, and then drill the other two.

FWIW, coming from someone who has made many inline throttle bodies, other than set up reduction and convenience, I'd tell you not to go out of your way to drill them in one op. Trying to gun drill shaft holes of such a small diameter and length without very specialized machines, tooling, and fixturing, can be a very unrewarding exercise.

Even if they are machined to perfection through all bores as far as position and alignment, with throttle plates that are suitable fit to the bores, the throttle shafts will still be prone to binding due to thermal growth of the head versus shaft, mounting forces, and just how much things tend to move around on their own over time. I don't know how the original was set up, but I think I'd just plan to install a zero backlash coupling that can tolerate small misalignment and axial displacement between each bore, and call it a day.

All said, I'm certain much bigger machining challenges await with the block and other components. Definitely a man's sized job.

Best,
Kelly
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« Reply #50 on: March 15, 2024, 10:08:57 AM »
They had some really cool machinery at Ford's EMDO (Engine Manufacturing Development Operations) Building, where most of that original stuff was made.  Gun drilling stuff like that was a breeze for those guys. 

When I was there they were experimenting with super high speed gun drilling of 5.0 block oil galleries.  The ceramic drills had 5,000 psi coolant coming out the tips, and they would run the length of the block in under three seconds  :o  It was exciting when things went pear-shaped though.  The room walls and ceiling looked like someone had been tossing grenades in there.
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Re: Calliope Engine Project
« Reply #51 on: March 16, 2024, 02:06:54 PM »
Wow, Professor, this is an amazing project. How many copies are you going to make? I would think at least a dozen would easily sell for big $$.

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« Reply #52 on: March 16, 2024, 02:18:37 PM »




...Even if they are machined to perfection through all bores as far as position and alignment, with throttle plates that are suitable fit to the bores, the throttle shafts will still be prone to binding due to thermal growth of the head versus shaft, mounting forces, and just how much things tend to move around on their own over time. I don't know how the original was set up, but I think I'd just plan to install a zero backlash coupling that can tolerate small misalignment and axial displacement between each bore, and call it a day...



Kinsler makes those:

https://kinsler.com/Shop/product/right-hand-plain-38-dia-shaft-no-arm/


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Re: Calliope Engine Project
« Reply #53 on: March 16, 2024, 08:30:32 PM »
AND---They certainly are proud of them, too. But then, they're proud of anything that comes within several blocks of them.

I've seen misalignment links made with two counter-wound springs ,one inside the other, with attachment sleeves on the ends that'd also work. I believe they were intended to connect two side-by-side DCOE Weber carbs. I think they make links made from flat spring wire that has been corrugated in the middle and has attachment sleeves on the ends as well.

KS
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« Reply #54 on: March 16, 2024, 08:47:45 PM »
For small misalignments, beam couplings are really good.  They have no backlash and they're quite stiff in torsion:

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Re: Calliope Engine Project
« Reply #55 on: March 18, 2024, 12:26:59 PM »
     Note that the Kinsler product is intended to not only allow for shaft misalignment but also permits adjustment for the rotational shaft/butterfly timing position.   :)

     Scott.

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« Reply #56 on: March 20, 2024, 09:21:48 AM »
Picked up the Calliope heads from the foundry yesterday, along with the tunnel port heads.  Here are a bunch of pictures.  One thing that I did not realize before I picked them up is that the throttle shaft is not open between the runners; the casting is solid all the way across.  So there is no chance to use any of the flex type couplings in the middle.  We may have to either machine the castings to open these areas up, or have the throttle bores gun drilled to make sure they are perfectly straight. 

















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- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
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Re: Calliope Engine Project
« Reply #57 on: March 20, 2024, 10:25:47 AM »
I'll keep buying lottery tickets so I can get a few of these when complete!!😂

Getting a little ahead of the project here but do you know what the bellhousing bolt pattern on the block will be? Would it be feasible to make it a small block or mod motor pattern so there are more bellhousing options?

Great work!!

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Re: Calliope Engine Project
« Reply #58 on: March 20, 2024, 11:09:25 AM »
I'm not sure what it is, but I'd guess 429-460.  May be different though, it had to fit whatever transaxle Ford was planning to use in the car...
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- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC