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What's the value of a 1969 Torino Cobra?
« on: June 18, 2015, 09:02:26 PM »
I had a guy offer to sell me his car tonight.  It is an original Torino Cobra, but the original 428 is gone, replaced by a 390.  The original 4 speed and 9" (3.91 traction lok) are still in the car.  It runs and drives, was an original red car, has some rust issues he says, but not terrible or anything.  I forgot to ask if it is a notchback or a fastback  ::), but I'd probably be interested in it either way.  He has the Marti report for the car. 

I don't really know what these things go for.  Any suggestions on a fair price?  Also, are patch panels and replacement parts readily available for these cars, like they are for Mustangs?  Thanks - Jay
« Last Edit: June 18, 2015, 09:05:27 PM by jayb »
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- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
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Re: What's the value of a 1969 Torino Cobra?
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2015, 09:50:22 PM »
Prices are all over the place, depending on rust severity.  I have been looking for a hardtop for several years, and they are hard to find in decent shape.  I would venture a guess at 8-12K, depending on interior, paint, rust.  Solid cars ARE hard to find, and good ones are approaching $18-22K if correct engine and driveline are still there.  JMO, but fastbacks are not as desirable as the formal roof cars, even though I like both.  Joe-JDC
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Re: What's the value of a 1969 Torino Cobra?
« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2015, 10:24:58 PM »
Why the preference for formal roof cars, Joe?  Is it rarity or something like that, or do you just think they look better?  I prefer the looks of the fastbacks myself...
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- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
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Re: What's the value of a 1969 Torino Cobra?
« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2015, 10:38:10 PM »
I had the same car. 428, 4spd, drag pack with the staggered rear shocks, fast back. Missing the 4spd, had an auto installed. Minor rust, running and driving, interior shot, paid 1500 and traded a nice 68 Fairlane body. I'd value them 5 to 8 grand max with the missing 428. Interior is expensive to replace. I love the fast backs, very cool cars.
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Re: What's the value of a 1969 Torino Cobra?
« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2015, 10:52:41 PM »
Why the preference for formal roof cars, Joe?  Is it rarity or something like that, or do you just think they look better?  I prefer the looks of the fastbacks myself...
The formal roof cars were early cars for the most part, and fewer of them.  The Fairlane Cobras are more rare than the Torino Cobras.  I think a fastback can be beautiful with the right color combination, and stance with lots of tire under the rear.  Hubert Platt came to Florida back in 1969 with a red fastback and it was beautiful.  Ran quick too.  I guess it depends on color, which one is more appealing, and what you grew up with.  I bought a '69 Fairlane Cobra 4 speed, formal roof new back in 1968 when they first became available.  I took it to Panama City drag strip and clicked off 13.22 after I got used to the polyglass tires.  Pure stock.  I would not turn down a fastback if I could find a clean one that wasn't a rust bucket.  Joe   
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Re: What's the value of a 1969 Torino Cobra?
« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2015, 12:20:17 AM »
Man, brings back memories.  When I was 17 In 1983 I scrapped and borrowed and dealed to come up with 1,800$ bucks to buy a 68  390, 4 speed GT fast back. It was pee yellow but the car was in good shape and I wanted it bad. Told the guy on a Friday I had the money and he said to come by that sunday to get it because they had a reunion to go to on that Saturday. I get there sunday and the car is gone. Knock on the door and his wife said it was totaled that Saturday coming back from the reunion. .. no one was seriously hurt but I was heart broken. ..  :-\
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Re: What's the value of a 1969 Torino Cobra?
« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2015, 05:18:49 AM »
Cool cars but comparatively limited market value.  A lot of them lost their drivelines as donors to CJ Mustang restorations.

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Re: What's the value of a 1969 Torino Cobra?
« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2015, 08:59:39 AM »
Jay,
Check autokrafters.com and dearbornclassics.com to get an idea of replacement parts, patch panels, etc. available. 
Also, the Fairlane Club Fairlaneclubofamerica.com has been an excellent source of knowledge and parts over the years.  Doug Bender, a forum member is the President. 
Kevin Marti of Marti Auto Works sells a number of resto parts and bought Ford's production database from 1967 to I think 1976 so he can tell you for a fee the exact pedigree of your car.  If you tell us the partial VIN (we don't need the last 5 numbers, those are the sequential unit numbers) and door data plate info many of us in the forum can tell you the date and location of production, the original engine, transmission and axle it had. 

Like Barry R said, they are reasonable in cost and IMO a good way for some to get started in the hobby!

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Re: What's the value of a 1969 Torino Cobra?
« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2015, 09:12:50 AM »
Cool cars but comparatively limited market value.  A lot of them lost their drivelines as donors to CJ Mustang restorations.

Agree with the limited value. Now if it was a Talledega Cobra, that's a very rare car indeed!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Torino_Talladega
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Re: What's the value of a 1969 Torino Cobra?
« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2015, 04:34:23 PM »
Seems like the rust issues in those show up in the torque boxes and floor more often than the quarters, which of course makes it harder to fix.

I like both body styles, and its a more affordable way to own an original CJ car for sure.

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Re: What's the value of a 1969 Torino Cobra?
« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2015, 09:53:43 AM »
I like the formal roof  ;D ...

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Re: What's the value of a 1969 Torino Cobra?
« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2015, 11:23:34 AM »
Cool cars but comparatively limited market value.  A lot of them lost their drivelines as donors to CJ Mustang restorations.

Agree with the limited value. Now if it was a Talledega Cobra, that's a very rare car indeed!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Torino_Talladega
Rare car indeed because all the Talledegas were Q codes with C-6 transmissions and not Cobras.  I think Wikipedia got bogus information on these cars.  I was there, saw them new, and never saw one called a Talledega Cobra from Ford.  Joe-JDC
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Re: What's the value of a 1969 Torino Cobra?
« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2015, 12:30:20 PM »
I thought by definition, and embleming, ONLY formal roofs were badged as Cobras in 1969.

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Re: What's the value of a 1969 Torino Cobra?
« Reply #13 on: June 20, 2015, 04:32:24 PM »
Nope, both Fairlanes and Torinos were optioned as Cobras in '69.  They were both formal roofline cars and sportsroof/fastback models.   I still have my original window sticker from my Fairlane Cobra.  Joe-JDC
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Re: What's the value of a 1969 Torino Cobra?
« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2015, 08:05:00 PM »
Wasn't saying Fairlane or Torino, saying FORMAL ROOF Fairlane or Torino.

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Re: What's the value of a 1969 Torino Cobra?
« Reply #15 on: June 20, 2015, 09:13:39 PM »
So I bought the car today  :D  Its an interesting story.  Please feel free to let me know if you think I did good on this one, or if I got screwed  ;D

Five or six years ago I was in the local Sears, buying a new battery for my 69 Galaxie.  The guy behind the counter asked what car the battery was for, and when I told him, he said, "Oh, I've got a 69 Torino Cobra!"  I vaguely remember this, and also remember spending some time talking to him about the car.  Apparently I gave him my number and told him to call me if he ever decided to sell it.

Thursday night, out of the clear blue sky, he calls me, introduces himself, and says he thinks its about time he sells his car, and would I still be interested in it.  Taken totally by surprise, I asked him some questions about the car.  His computer was broken, so he couldn't send me any pictures.  He also couldn't text me any because he didn't know how to do that with his phone  ::)  He said he wanted $6K for the car, which sounded fairly reasonable to me.  I forgot to ask if it was a fastback (sportsroof) or formal roof, but I made an appointment with him for Saturday morning to look at the car.  Then, last night I called him back because I really wanted a fastback, and he said that's what it was.  I had decided I was going to bail if it was a formal roof car, because that's not really what I wanted.

Anyway, so I get out there this morning, and this car looks like it has been in a time capsule since the 1970s.  The owner said he'd purchased the car in 1975; he'd had it for 40 years!  It looked like he did a bunch of work on the car when he was a kid (he said he was 58 now), and  then didn't really do much to it after that.  It has all the 1970s cues:  air shocks, Keystone Klassic wheels, shag carpeting on the rear deck, multi-color blue and white carpeting in the interior, slapper bars, Hooker headers, Holley 780 vacuum secondary carb, an add on rear spoiler that looks like its a reproduction for a 69-70 Mustang, the list goes on and on.  The license plate registration tabs said 1994 was the last time the car was registered!  It looked like he put a battery and cables in it recently just to get it running so he could sell it. 

I checked the VIN number on the dash and the door tag, and they matched the Marti report that he had for the car.  As mentioned in my original post the owner said it was originally a 428SCJ car, and although the shaker hood scoop and oil cooler were gone, the hole in the hood and the scoop on the hood looked correct, and the brackets to hold the oil cooler in place in front of the radiator were still there.  So I think the owner was probably correct that it was an original SCJ car; the Marti report also says it had the Drag Pack option.  I crawled under the car and there was the N-case and Daytona pinion support, plus the staggered rear shocks, and the from what I could see the transmission looked correct also.  The owner said he'd replaced the clutch in the past, and it used the 11-1/2" clutch disc, which also gives me some confidence that the transmission is the original big-in big-out trans.

The bodywork on the car also looks just like it came out of the 1970s.  The rust holes have been patched with bondo, and a marginal paint job was applied, which of course is now completely faded.  The owner said he'd been unhappy with the paint job at first, and had made the painter redo it, but it really just wasn't a very good job.  Both front fenders, both doors, and both quarters had rust holes in them, evidenced by the bubbling bondo and a few places where the holes showed through.  But a close inspection of the exterior showed that the panels weren't entirely rotted away, and that with the patch panels available out there they were definitely fixable.  Inside the trunk it actually looked really good; the drop downs are intact, no holes around the gas tank, and the holes in the quarters are relatively small, at least compared to some I've seen.  Not too bad, really, for a Minnesota car.  Underneath, again surprisingly, the floor pans looked pretty good.  The driver's side torque box has got some holes in it, but I wasn't able to find any in the passenger side torque box.  Both front fenders are also a little tweaked, and should probably be replaced.  But in any case, the car needs a complete restoration on the body.

One thing that was promising was the trim on the car.  There were very few spots where the trim was dinged; in most cases it looked really good.  He didn't have the wheelwell trim for the rear wheelswells, unfortunately, but all the other trim, and both bumpers, looked pretty nice.

I offered him $4K, then $4500, because the body work would be so time consuming and expensive, but eventually I gave in and we settled on $5000.  What do you guys think, did I do OK?  Pictures below, starting with the Marti report and the build sheet (with the consecutive serial number blacked out).  Note that the build sheet says "SUPER COBRA" down at the bottom:















Here's the engine compartment, showing the hole for the ram air in the hood, and the 390 that resides in the car now:





Here's a shot of the oil cooler brackets, still installed:





Here's a look under the rear of the car, showing the staggered rear shocks:





An interior shot, showing that psychedelic carpeting ;D





And the rear deck, showing the awful troll-hair shag carpeting:

« Last Edit: June 20, 2015, 09:17:48 PM by jayb »
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Re: What's the value of a 1969 Torino Cobra?
« Reply #16 on: June 20, 2015, 09:32:52 PM »
I have done a lot worse! From the pictures you have a lot to work with, now you just need to find someone with a cool FE to drop in it  8)

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Re: What's the value of a 1969 Torino Cobra?
« Reply #17 on: June 20, 2015, 10:56:28 PM »
That is the kind of car to make a restomod race car out of and be authentic as an R code car.  Not a bad price from the looks and the trans/rear/staggered shocks, etc.  Would be a very cool race car with  a matching paint job for one of your other cars.  Joe-JDC
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« Reply #18 on: June 20, 2015, 11:16:59 PM »
Cool story to go with a car that doesn't look that bad from the pictures. What's the game plan for the new toy?

Are you shooting for a different muscle car to drive for each day of the week?  ;)
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« Reply #19 on: June 21, 2015, 12:11:04 AM »
So nice to know you're not the only one with the "new project" affliction.
Great car Jay.
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« Reply #20 on: June 21, 2015, 12:23:14 AM »
Cool story to go with a car that doesn't look that bad from the pictures. What's the game plan for the new toy?

Are you shooting for a different muscle car to drive for each day of the week?  ;)

It would be fun to drive a different car every day, but the insurance would kill me  ::)  I've never had an accident, and I don't often get tickets, so paying all that insurance just seems like a tax to me.  As a result I usually end up insuring only two or three cars every summer, and letting the others sit. 

For this one I think I will be collecting parts for at least a year or two, because I have two other project cars to finish before I start this one.  But I have a nice 650 HP 427 stroker sitting on a stand in my garage, that would probably be right at home in this car. I think I'd like to make the car look mostly stock, with the exception of wheels and tires maybe, and then just put a real strong street/strip FE in it. So, as long as this is the classifieds, here's the list of parts I need, at this point anyway, for the car:

- Both front fenders, no bends or twists, and no rust holes; surface rust, minor dings and bondo OK
- Rear wheelwell trim, both sides, excellent used or new
- Ram air setup in usable or restorable condition
- Factory oil cooler setup, including cooler, lines, and adapter to go on the engine
- Factory gauge cluster with the factory tachometer, or the factory tach separate

If it comes down to it I'll get one of those fiberglass reproduction ram air setups, and just put an aftermarket oil cooler setup on the car, but if I can find factory pieces that don't cost a fortune I'd be interested in those.  If anybody out there has any of this stuff, please contact me.  Thanks, Jay
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« Reply #21 on: June 21, 2015, 12:32:20 AM »
So nice to know you're not the only one with the "new project" affliction.
Great car Jay.
Congratulations.

Thanks Mark.  New car affliction is an understatement.  I really need a Cobra replica.  And a 66 F-250 4X4.  And a 66 427 Fairlane.  And a 63 T-bird Sport Roadster.  And a 68 GTE Cougar.  And... :-\
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Re: What's the value of a 1969 Torino Cobra?
« Reply #22 on: June 21, 2015, 01:29:57 AM »
What, no fuzzy dice? ??? What a deal breaker! Should've settled on $4500 because of that. ::) Anyway, nice find Jay, love the fastbacks!
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« Reply #23 on: June 21, 2015, 09:04:05 AM »
Jay, I think you did just fine, with a Marti report too!  The bodywork will be the biggest unknown but don't you have a paint booth and a good buddy who's a bodyman?  Since you're going to be collecting parts for awhile IMO get started on the body first, that way you may uncover some things that don't show right now. 

For the wheel well moldings, I think those are available new from one of the sources I mentioned earlier.  Now to find a replacement shag rear deck cover :D   Front suspension, steering parts, interior trim, etc. are all available and reasonable.  If it were my car I'd repaint it the original candy apple red...

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« Reply #24 on: June 21, 2015, 12:13:48 PM »
No snake/cobra emblems?; no console?  original wheels? what shape is the steering wheel under the wrap?  No passenger side rearview mirror?  can't quite tell, but the tach looks to be from 68 (black background instead of silver like the rest of the gauges, or is it a clock and not a tach?).  No seatbelts, lap or shoulder?
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« Reply #25 on: June 21, 2015, 02:12:56 PM »
No cobra emblems, no console (would a bucket seat car automatically have come with one? The build sheet doesn't have that box filled in...), original wheels are long gone, and I haven't looked at the steering wheel under the wrap, but I can just about imagine what it looks like  :o  There is no factory tach, there is an alternator and oil pressure warning light in the tach spot.  That reminds me, I need to add a gauge cluster with a factory tach to my wanted list.  The seat belts and shoulder harnesses are there, you just can't see them in the photos.

Also per your earlier question, based on the Marti report it is clear that 69 Torino Cobras were available in the sportsroof body style, and I would assume they got the Cobra badges on the fenders and taillight panel.  This car probably lost those when it was repainted, or they were pried off by a thief back in the day.  In fact that's how I lost the original Cobra fender emblems on my 68 Shelby; I was parked in a restaurant parking lot in about 1986, and when I came out after dinner the emblems were gone, and I had a few new scratches in the paint of my front fenders  >:( >:(
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- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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Re: What's the value of a 1969 Torino Cobra?
« Reply #27 on: June 21, 2015, 03:15:44 PM »
Jay: I'd say you did very well...those were fine looking cars when they came out and almost 50 years later the sleek lines have lost none of their panache whatsoever (excepting that ridiculous add-on spoiler, which IMHO only ever looks right on a 69-70 Mustang Mach 1 or 70-71 Cyclone Spoiler).

There are likely to be a few unwelcome surprises in the metalwork department (there generally always are) but nothing that can't be put right with cash and sweat equity. Fortunately, there are a number of suppliers today who cater to the basic sheet metal needs of these cars -- most of the good ones have been listed in previous posts and the internet is a huge help (it's particularly good news that it comes with the majority of the trim in good order).

Always heart-warming to see abused FOMOCO iron go to a caring stable for rehab.  Have fun with it!     
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« Reply #28 on: June 21, 2015, 03:26:37 PM »
Yes, buckets seats came without a console in some cars.  Also, some of the cars had crome Cobra emblems on the rear fenders, and some had decals.  Really some unusual combinations were seen from the dealerships.  On my Shelby, someone popped the Cobras off the roof while I was at church the first time I drove it there.  Luckily, they were readily available back in the day.  Some of these restoration pieces are getting pricey if you decide to go that route.  Some emblems say Cobra, and some emblems are snakes.  It all comes down to what you expect the car to represent, be, or put back original looking.  Hope to see if finished someday.  Joe-JDC.
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« Reply #29 on: June 21, 2015, 08:49:42 PM »
Very Kool!
Only you can understand what it's worth to you.
To me, if and more if and bigger this and bigger that and of course some of this
and the list goes no.
Have fun Jay, you only get one kick at it, enjoy. ;)

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Re: What's the value of a 1969 Torino Cobra?
« Reply #30 on: June 21, 2015, 09:30:50 PM »
I think it's a good buy, can't imagine there is another one with a pedigree floating around for that price.

I'd look close at that build date, it'd be cool if it was a capscrew drag pack car, although the way I read that Marti report it seems like it'd be a standard CJ engine due to the build date.

Either way, cool toy.

You wait though, it's sort of odd, they tend to be more cramped under the hood than a Mustang.  Not much, but a little.  Valve covers, headers, radiators are all just a little more crowded in a Fairlane/Cobra/Montego, etc
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Re: What's the value of a 1969 Torino Cobra?
« Reply #31 on: June 21, 2015, 09:51:43 PM »
Both the 428CJ and 428SCJ got the R code, so I don't think that the data tag decode shown in the box in the report can be used to determine if it was a 428CJ or a 428SCJ.  Was that what you were referring to Ross, when you said it reads like it was a 428CJ engine?

I have to admit I'm confused by one thing on the Marti report.  It says the car was ordered with a 428SCJ - Drag Pack option after 2/20/69, but the car was built on 12/30/68.  I wonder if they just didn't refer to the extra components as the "Drag Pack" until after that date?  I think I might email Kevin Marti to try to clarify that...
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- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
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Re: What's the value of a 1969 Torino Cobra?
« Reply #32 on: June 21, 2015, 10:21:51 PM »
Jay, There have been discussions on the Drag Pack option on the "other" forum, I linked one below from 2007. There are others, but Hawkrod addresses some of the semantics here. There may be info on the 428cobrajet.org site too, I haven't looked lately. Basically ( and I'm being simplistic here ) I think it came down to Ford officially naming the package on the invoice and charging separately for it apart from the optional gear ratio starting in February 1969.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/74182/thread/1169122745/1/Drag+Pack+gear+ratio-
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Re: What's the value of a 1969 Torino Cobra?
« Reply #33 on: June 21, 2015, 11:25:49 PM »
Thanks Kevin, that helps.  Sounds like if you ordered the 3.91 or 4.30 axle ratio you automatically got all the Drag Pack components, including the SCJ engine and oil cooler, but that they didn't start making it a separate option until February 20,  1969. 
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- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
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Re: What's the value of a 1969 Torino Cobra?
« Reply #34 on: June 22, 2015, 12:50:17 AM »
There is no engine code for a SCJ...Other than the obvious things in the engine you have to look at the oil cooler and more important the horn location,mounting and the horn wires as they got moved for the oil cooler...I don't know about introduction dates but if you ordered 3.91 or 4.30 (as Jay mentioned) you got a SCJ or drag pack (same thing)

The rear end tag is the holy grail for the package..Build sheet is a obvious bonus and numerous SCJ's were stamped "SUPER" on the front of the block by the fuel pump..

I have been looking after a original drivetrain 1969 SCJ Mach I now for over 20 years.

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Re: What's the value of a 1969 Torino Cobra?
« Reply #35 on: June 22, 2015, 06:01:58 AM »
There is no engine code for a SCJ...Other than the obvious things in the engine you have to look at the oil cooler and more important the horn location,mounting and the horn wires as they got moved for the oil cooler...I don't know about introduction dates but if you ordered 3.91 or 4.30 (as Jay mentioned) you got a SCJ or drag pack (same thing)

The rear end tag is the holy grail for the package..Build sheet is a obvious bonus and numerous SCJ's were stamped "SUPER" on the front of the block by the fuel pump..


Thanks Kevin, that helps.  Sounds like if you ordered the 3.91 or 4.30 axle ratio you automatically got all the Drag Pack components, including the SCJ engine and oil cooler, but that they didn't start making it a separate option until February 20,  1969.

I understand the engine code stuff, my point is the Marti comments vs the build sheet.

I interpreted the Marti comment as after 2/20 you got the SCJ and its extras, but the point that the build sheet that said Super is odd. 

Maybe you got the SCJ components before 2/20 that but it wasn't called drag pack? I am not sure of that because I didn't think the Drag Pack was a real name either, but I could be mistaken.

FWIW I don't believe my buddies 68.5 4.30 CJ Mustang had an SCJ engine or an oil cooler, although it is a different body style, registered as a 68 and build much earlier.

Worth some research or a call to Marti to ask what he is talking about!  LOL
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Re: What's the value of a 1969 Torino Cobra?
« Reply #36 on: June 22, 2015, 09:54:41 AM »

The rear end tag is the holy grail for the package..Build sheet is a obvious bonus and numerous SCJ's were stamped "SUPER" on the front of the block by the fuel pump..


Cory, why is the rear end tag the holy grail?  I might have to pull that tag off of there tonight...
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Re: What's the value of a 1969 Torino Cobra?
« Reply #37 on: June 22, 2015, 10:24:31 AM »
My understanding is unless you have paperwork to verify the SCJ the key to the whole thing is the gear ratio in the back.
As far as I know (I am not a CJ expert)if you ordered 3.91 or 4.3 you automaticaly got the drag pack option.
The Marti report obviously clears things up..I have the build sheet here for the SCJ Mustang..I will look at it and see if it says anything on it...
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Re: What's the value of a 1969 Torino Cobra?
« Reply #38 on: June 22, 2015, 11:55:43 AM »
All you need to verify it was built as a SCJ car is the Marti report.  The differences on the build sheet will be the axle ratio (obviously) and the engine code which should probably begin 424.  There are different engine code suffixes too, but there doesn't seem to be any hard info on what they mean.  My 3/69 built SCJ is 424T.

Your car is definitely a SCJ, and I would also call it a Drag Pack car though technically I guess you can't call it that unless it was built after 2/69 when Ford began identifying them that way.  BTW, though SCJ was not advertised by Ford to my knowledge, the parts books all refer to that engine as a SCJ to differentiate it from a regular CJ in those few areas where they actually diiffer.
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Re: What's the value of a 1969 Torino Cobra?
« Reply #39 on: June 22, 2015, 12:10:43 PM »
I forgot about the engine code number..I looked up the SCJ's build sheet and its engine code is 425T.The sheet is filled in the 17th day of D month (car is a 69)
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Re: What's the value of a 1969 Torino Cobra?
« Reply #40 on: June 22, 2015, 10:49:16 PM »
I pulled the tag off the differential tonight; looked like it was on there since day 1.  After cleanup with a wire wheel, here's what it looks like:



I'm pretty sure at this point that the car got all the Drag Pack stuff, even if it didn't officially get the Drag Pack moniker.  I'm beginning to like this deal more and more...
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- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
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Re: What's the value of a 1969 Torino Cobra?
« Reply #41 on: June 23, 2015, 12:54:04 PM »
Really glad to see this car go to someone like you Jay congrats My dad had one in midnight orchord car was fast

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Re: What's the value of a 1969 Torino Cobra?
« Reply #42 on: June 23, 2015, 01:25:27 PM »
Yes, that is a 3.91:1 Locker 9" tag.  Did the axles have the 3 dimples in the flange for 31 splines?  Sounds like you did OK on the deal, even though it will be lots of work for a restoration.  Restify will be a lots easier.  Joe-JDC
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Re: What's the value of a 1969 Torino Cobra?
« Reply #43 on: June 23, 2015, 06:23:01 PM »
I haven't pulled the wheels yet, Joe, so I don't know if the axles have the three dimples, but at this point I'd bet a lot of money that they do  8)
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- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
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Re: What's the value of a 1969 Torino Cobra?
« Reply #44 on: June 23, 2015, 07:47:25 PM »
Crites makes a nice Ram Air hood for the Torino's


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Re: What's the value of a 1969 Torino Cobra?
« Reply #45 on: June 28, 2015, 08:11:22 PM »
My 428scj came out of a '69 Torino Cobra w/ drag pack.  It was in my '68 Falcon for a short period of time. 

I would like to find a deal like you did Jay to put my 428scj and all of the goodies into. :)
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