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My427stang

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1971 360 2 barrel core measurements
« on: October 29, 2017, 12:58:41 PM »
I posted this on the old forum too so repeat for some guys

Took apart a 1971 360 truck core, never been opened before, stock bearings, seals, and not very many miles. The engine has a 2 barrel intake, C8AE-H head, and 3904V pistons on 360 rods and crank, as delivered by Ford to many truck owners.

I did some measuring and came up with the following

Stock 360 deck clearance - .094
Stock 360 compressed head gasket thickness - .035
Total quench distance - .129

When you combine that with a 72 cc head, 10 cc pistons and 3.5 stroke you get 7.70:1 static compression (and doesn't break 8:1 even with a 68 cc head)

When you combine that with a 256 degree intake lobe, on 112.5 ICL, you get a DCR of 6.34:1

Add that to the two barrel intake, slow ignition curve, bad exhaust manifolds, and low lift cam with poorly flowing stock heads, I am amazed they ran as well as they did! LOL.

It really amazes me, understand what Ford was doing, like everyone, just building reliable work trucks, but a set of nicer exhaust manifolds, a piston that reached the deck and even got to 8.5 or 9:1, and those trucks would have been transformed
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- 70 Fastback Mustang, 489 cid FE, Victor, SEFI, Erson SFT cam, TKO-600 5 speed, 4.11 9 inch.
- 71 F100 shortbed 4x4, 461 cid FE, headers, Victor Pro-flo EFI, Comp Custom HFT cam, 3.50 9 inch

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Re: 1971 360 2 barrel core measurements
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2017, 02:57:46 PM »
I am sure it has been talked about a lot , but one more time , what would a good 390-445 ci , tow truck engine compression be ? cam , heads , headers , intake , timing , 4500 rpm max , 5000 pound truck pulling 6000 pound car and trailer . c-6 trans. , 4,10 gears .

My427stang

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Re: 1971 360 2 barrel core measurements
« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2017, 06:53:23 PM »
So that's a wide range of engine choices, but, for a 445 with a 270-ish cam on 106, I'd be between 9.25 and 9.5 static for that application.  Likely a good WAG for any of those cammed accordingly

In the 360, I am as surprised (although surprised is a strong word, I always knew, just measuring drove it home) by the compression and more by how deep in the hole, if that 360 was designed to be 8.5:1 and .010 below deck with a set of good exhaust manifolds, it would be an entirely different animal.

FYI, with no other changes but 6.49 rods and a 390 crank, Werby estimated an 80 ft lb increase with a 390 over the low compression 360, what a difference in a "still mild" motor
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Ross
Bullock's Power Service, LLC
- 70 Fastback Mustang, 489 cid FE, Victor, SEFI, Erson SFT cam, TKO-600 5 speed, 4.11 9 inch.
- 71 F100 shortbed 4x4, 461 cid FE, headers, Victor Pro-flo EFI, Comp Custom HFT cam, 3.50 9 inch

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Re: 1971 360 2 barrel core measurements
« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2017, 08:56:58 AM »
a 390 stroke or the scat stroker crank in a 390 block . no 427 stuff .

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Re: 1971 360 2 barrel core measurements
« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2017, 03:10:24 AM »
a 390 stroke or the scat stroker crank in a 390 block . no 427 stuff .

In the end, it really depends on the whole combo, but unless it's undercammed I'd shoot for 9.25:1.  FWIW, I run 10:1 in my 445, iron heads, good quench, and more or less a 282S (custom Bullet cam), and it is a real nice combo, but a little too much cam for the range you are looking to run.  Less cam would want less compression
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Ross
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- 70 Fastback Mustang, 489 cid FE, Victor, SEFI, Erson SFT cam, TKO-600 5 speed, 4.11 9 inch.
- 71 F100 shortbed 4x4, 461 cid FE, headers, Victor Pro-flo EFI, Comp Custom HFT cam, 3.50 9 inch

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Re: 1971 360 2 barrel core measurements
« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2017, 12:31:24 PM »
thanks for the info , I am thinking of putting a tow motor , not a fork lift ,  together to go into my 1932 one ton ford and get the chevy out , not my doing , was in there when I bought the truck .