Lykins Motorsports 434ci Clevor, 777 hp/630 tq

[Stangman]

Difference between Cleveland and clever ?

[blykins]

A Clevor is a Windsor block with Cleveland heads. 

[Stangman]

Thanks that’s what I thought.

[cjshaker]

I will tell you that Clevelands/Windsors/Clevors can make lots and lots and lots of power.   That 777 hp 434ci Clevor is not out of the ordinary. 

But I will also tell you the Clevelands/Windsors/Clevors don't have near the pedigree of a Ford FE.  Nor the nostalgia.  Nor the looks.

Not surprising, given the fact that, setting aside the Hemi, the Cleveland head is probably the best (vintage) OEM head ever designed for a performance engine. And while I think the FE is the best looking Ford engine, a well dressed Cleveland with a tunnel ram would tie for 2nd in my book, alongside a well dressed 2 or 3 carbed flathead. All great looking engines.

Nice stout build, Brent. What RPM was peak torque at? Assuming it was fairly high, he'd probably have better results with a well built 3 spd.

[blykins]

~5500.  Agreed.  The PG just isn't a good fit, especially with that high 1st gear.

[Tunnelwedge]

Some confusion. You sold this customer an engine/cam that does not work well
with their transmission gearing and it's the customers fault?

[blykins]

Some confusion. You sold this customer an engine/cam that does not work well
with their transmission gearing and it's the customers fault?

But let's think of options here on what could have happened:

1.  Car was finished way after the engine was finished and the goals changed as the car progressed.
2.  Had originally planned on a C4, but the engine made so much power that the customer decided on a PG.
3.  Customer thought he may like to spray to hit 1000 hp and then decided he wanted the high 1st gear ratio to help with that.

[My427stang]

Great build Brent. 

[Tunnelwedge]

Lots of detailed photos of the machining and build also
videos of this 9 sec Stang would be cool.
Why not do a cam change and dyno it again to match the gears now?
When did you build this engine?
It's your small block ad on the fepower.net.
You are always light on detail.

[mike7570]

Some confusion. You sold this customer an engine/cam that does not work well
with their transmission gearing and it's the customers fault?

Tunnelwedge, have you used a power glide before?  I raced with one behind my 452ci tunnel port motor in super-gas. A power glide is better suited to dial in or .90 racing. It is probably the quickest releasing on a trans brake, has the smallest hp loss and weighs less than any other transmission. My car may have been slightly quicker with a 3sp such as a good C-4 but it would leave better and be more consistent with the 2sp. I ran it with a C-6 for a while but it's a heavy trans that takes up a lot more room and it just won't get the reaction times down as low as a glide. So for dial in racing or .90 classes the power glide is probably the best choice.
Mine ran 141 @ 9.50's with the 1.98 1st gear ratio so he giving up some et with his current 1.58 first gear.

[351crules]

wasn't there a sub forum for non fe builds? anyway, nice build.

[Joe-JDC]

Giving out specifics stopped when certain FE "gurus" stopped giving information, and only posting "atta-boys" for their customers.  I was always open and willing to give out flow data on heads and intakes until everyone started comparing "X" with "Y" abilities.  I still check in with Jay's forum daily to see what is new, questions relevant to Fords, or what is happening.  Giving out camshaft specifications, compression ratios, ring packages, cylinder wall clearances, crankshaft and rod clearances is a plus if the builder wishes to give them, but that is not anyone's right to that knowledge just because they come on the forum.  If I built a 900hp FE, I certainly would not give out the specifics of camshaft lift, duration, lobe separation angle, compression, head flow, or intake flow, etc.  Brent usually is very open to most information, and if he chooses to keep his custom order camshaft's specifications to himself, then that is his right.  JMO, but if he quit posting, things would really be dead here until Jay wows us with something new.  Joe-JDC 

[fekbmax]

^^ what Joe said ^^
      Agreed 100%

[gdaddy01]

I like seeing the Cleveland posts, by a guy that gives us a LOT of free information on fe's from small ci to high dollar bigs.

[shady]

If a magician reveals how the magic trick is accomplished, it's no longer magic.