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Re: FE Power Cylinder Heads
« Reply #210 on: April 11, 2019, 02:33:58 AM »
Joe-JDC.......I don't know what happened here........Jay Delete my account

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« Reply #211 on: April 11, 2019, 08:08:17 AM »
No, don't delete your account, apparently no one can see my pictures but me.  Your icon is all everyone else sees.  I don't know what is going on, but I don't want you to have to start over.  Joe-JDC
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Re: FE Power Cylinder Heads
« Reply #212 on: April 11, 2019, 12:27:00 PM »
Joe-JDC, Im not sure whats going on either, but i dont see any pictures, or links to pictures other than what Jay has posted and this one :
http://fepower.net/simplemachinesforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6987.0;attach=9067

So i don't think everyone has access to photos that are private. 

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« Reply #213 on: April 11, 2019, 01:45:35 PM »
Joe-JDC, Im not sure whats going on either, but i dont see any pictures, or links to pictures other than what Jay has posted and this one :
http://fepower.net/simplemachinesforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6987.0;attach=9067

So i don't think everyone has access to photos that are private.
When you open the icon, do you see a box at the upper left that says "photos"?  I do, so it must be that we use the same server or same operating system.  When I click on photos, I get my entire picture album for the last six years.  Hopefully it is just my computer, and not everyone.  The pictures I have on there from three EMC competitions are not for public viewing, only personal use.  They have us sign a disclosure statement that prevents the use of any picture on a media that was taken there.  Joe-JDC
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Re: FE Power Cylinder Heads
« Reply #214 on: April 11, 2019, 02:21:17 PM »
Joe, your photos must be 'in the cloud', whether you realize it or not.  When I open the drunk monkey photo and click on 'see all photos', I see all of mine that were on an ipod that I tried to transfer to an android phone.  Welcome to the age of no privacy. I'm not sure that there is even a way to delete them from the cloud.  Probably a good question for Felony since he keeps his tin foil hat firmly in place at all times.  I'd be interested in knowing how to delete also.

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Re: FE Power Cylinder Heads
« Reply #215 on: April 11, 2019, 05:54:07 PM »
Joe, I don't see anything like you described, so I don't think anyone else can either.
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Re: FE Power Cylinder Heads
« Reply #216 on: April 11, 2019, 06:18:26 PM »
I don't see them either
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« Reply #217 on: April 13, 2019, 04:00:06 PM »
LOL Royce!  I will never, EVER, have another naming thread  ;D ;D

Joel says the intake should be called the FE Super Sucker.

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« Reply #218 on: April 13, 2019, 07:39:41 PM »
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Nope, nothing.

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Re: FE Power Cylinder Heads
« Reply #219 on: April 14, 2019, 09:01:44 PM »
I can't see them either... certainly disappointing as we all wanted the "Joe in the Speedo" pictures. :)

But Joe can see them because he is the administrator of them.

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Re: FE Power Cylinder Heads
« Reply #220 on: April 16, 2019, 11:39:26 AM »
Jay,

With the individual runner would there be any advantage to casting 4 of 1 identical runner to simplify machining? Meaning you would use 1 runner from 4 different casting to make a set.

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« Reply #221 on: April 16, 2019, 06:38:38 PM »
I'd love to do that, but from a practical standpoint it won't work.  The ports do not have even spacing across the face of the head, so a single casting won't physically fit in all four locations on each side, without interfering with the same castings on the opposite side.  Sure would make things easier.  Oh well...
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Re: FE Power Cylinder Heads
« Reply #222 on: April 18, 2019, 08:41:51 PM »
Over the last couple weeks I've been screwing around with the machining on the IR (Individual Runner) intake manifold for my new cylinder heads.  As of the last post on this topic I had cut down the sides of the runners to give some clearance between them, so that they would actually bolt on to the special FE Intake Adapter that I am making for these heads.  However, as usual things did not exactly go according to plan.  When I tried to bolt the runners onto the intake adapter, I ran into interference between the runners.  Looking back at the Solidworks model, it became painfully clear that the interference was not just in the vertical plane; that some clearancing of the runners had to be done on the top side and bottom side of each runner, in order for them to fit together on the intake adapter. 

This became a huge programming challenge, for a variety of reasons but primarily because of the way the runners were fixtured on the CNC machine, and the complex curves required to machine the clearances.  I worked on this for nearly a full week, and along the way came to the conclusion that it would be a lot easier to modify the casting design in certain ways, rather than to try to machine these things with the existing casting design.  Here, the 3D printed sand really showed it's worth.  It would have been prohibitively expensive to modify, or perhaps scrap, what could have been $20K in tooling to tweak the runner design, but since the first two castings were done with 3D printed sand, I can simply make the changes on the computer and get another batch of 3D printed sand to test the new design.  The 3D printed sand isn't cheap, but its a whole lot less expensive than permanent tooling; its a great way to prove out the design before making the tooling investment.

After a week of machining and test fitting, I finally got the runners to bolt up correctly to the intake adapter.  There are some mistakes in the machining that make this setup unusable, but at least now I know exactly what needs to be done on the next version of the castings.  And the IR intake setup looks really good; here's a couple of pictures:






I think this induction system will make gobs of torque, and I'm looking forward to having it installed on one of my cars.

In the meantime I've been trying to get the 4V intake manifold casting ready to go.  Today, after some accelerated work at the foundry and the heat treat plant, I got the first two castings:




Machining on this one starts tomorrow, and with luck I'll get it done in time to bring to the FE Reunion. 
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- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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Re: FE Power Cylinder Heads
« Reply #223 on: April 19, 2019, 09:04:50 AM »
Wow, cool stuff!

Is there room for a standard distributor to fit under the first runner or will the setup likely require a distributorless or offset arrangement?
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Re: FE Power Cylinder Heads
« Reply #224 on: April 19, 2019, 10:48:39 AM »
A standard distributor won't fit, you would need an offset distributor or distributor-less setup.  I am considering making a "shorty" distributor that would fit in the available space, but it would only be there to distribute the sparks and drive the oil pump; you would need a crank trigger to run the ignition.  Since this setup would be EFI only that shouldn't be too big of a deal...
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- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC