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Early Build date...
« on: July 18, 2016, 12:11:05 AM »
Howdy everyone,

I just received my Marti Report on my 1967 Mercury Cyclone and I wondered about its build date.  It shows the following:
-Ordered: 7/18/66
-Serialized: 9/12/66
-Scheduled for build: 9/21/66
-Actually Built: 9/16/66
-Released: 9/20/66
-Sold: 11/2/66

My question is: is this an early build for the '67 year, or did the next year's model show up early like cars do today?

thank you,
Joe

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Re: Early Build date...
« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2016, 07:04:37 AM »
It's traditional in the North American auto industry to introduce the new model year vehicles in the fall proceeding the calendar year designation, usually September. So yes, you have a very early '67 Cyclone. There are many exceptions to this, some cars are introduced earlier, for example the 1965 Mustang was introduced in April of 1964, some cars later if the new design is running late or just to make it stand out from the rest. It used to be a much bigger deal years ago for people to go to the local car dealer and check out the new models when they were introduced in the fall - people were much more easily entertained years ago than they are now lol. Ford would begin the last 6 digits of the Mercury VIN series with 500001 at each assembly plant ( Fords started with 100001 ) so your VIN should be pretty close to that number. The cars were not built in numerical order, so a car with a higher number could have been assembled before yours. The fact that your car was built before the scheduled build date illustrates how that happens, but also means you should have an early number. Comets and Cyclones were assembled at more than one assembly plant though and they didn't all necessarily start production on the same day.
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Re: Early Build date...
« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2016, 07:47:52 PM »
Thank you Kevin.  The serial number on the car is 511632, built at the Lorain plant.  It also may explain why some of the items are from '66, such as the windshield wiper bottle.

Joe
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Re: Early Build date...
« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2016, 10:35:53 PM »
Thank you Kevin.  The serial number on the car is 511632, built at the Lorain plant.  It also may explain why some of the items are from '66, such as the windshield wiper bottle.

Joe

Not every piece was updated by the year. Anything carried over unchanged would probably have an older stamped/cast part number on it. Obvious case is regular passenger car log exhaust manifolds, which ran unchanged for years, but carry date codes accordingly.

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« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2016, 12:51:31 AM »
That's true about the log manifolds.  I did notice the wiper bottle was specific to '67 on the Mercury comet line, which was a bag, whereas the '66 had a plastic flip top container with a large embossed Mercury head logo on the lid.  I couldn't figure out why my '67 had the container and not the bag.  Maybe because it was an early car, or maybe because it looked better than the bag and the owner changed it at some point.  Given how little else was changed on the car down to the wheels, I'm going to guess it was due to the bag not yet being available due to the car being early off the line that year.  At least I have a story now either way; it'd sure be nice to know which story was true though.

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Re: Early Build date...
« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2016, 11:28:08 AM »
they were still putting together 66s in november.my 66 comet came out of the lorain plant with a birthday of nov 4th.thats weird them making 66s in nov and 67s 2 or3 months earilier. 533036 is my production no.
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« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2016, 12:23:52 PM »
That's true about the log manifolds.  I did notice the wiper bottle was specific to '67 on the Mercury comet line, which was a bag, whereas the '66 had a plastic flip top container with a large embossed Mercury head logo on the lid.  I couldn't figure out why my '67 had the container and not the bag.  Maybe because it was an early car, or maybe because it looked better than the bag and the owner changed it at some point.  Given how little else was changed on the car down to the wheels, I'm going to guess it was due to the bag not yet being available due to the car being early off the line that year.  At least I have a story now either way; it'd sure be nice to know which story was true though.

Joe

Mine has the original plastic wiper bottle in it. I don't recall the assembly date for the car; been mucking about with other vehicles the last few years. There "should" be different mounting holes on the inner fender for bottle vs. bag, I'm guessing.


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Re: Early Build date...
« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2016, 07:42:26 PM »
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thats weird them making 66s in nov and 67s 2 or3 months earilier.  Fryedaddy

I agree it probably looked strange.  Although other than the grill insert and tail lights, and a few other speed-nut trim pieces, the 67's looked a lot like a '66 and shared a lot of sheet metal and other bits.

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Re: Early Build date...
« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2016, 11:47:52 AM »
my 66 made in november must be one of the last 66s made.mine is a caliente that came with alot of cyclone options.390,4 speed,tach,buckets,fiberglass hood,etc.i know the hood should be cyclone only,but in november they must have loaded it with whatever.the hood did come on this car.it still had original paint on it and the previous  owner said it came that way
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« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2016, 12:50:00 PM »
my 66 made in november must be one of the last 66s made.mine is a caliente that came with alot of cyclone options.390,4 speed,tach,buckets,fiberglass hood,etc.i know the hood should be cyclone only,but in november they must have loaded it with whatever.the hood did come on this car.it still had original paint on it and the previous  owner said it came that way

Did you ever contact Marti about your car? I know he doesn't have '66 info, but maybe, just maybe, if he is in possession of all cars made after the beginning of '67 model year, yours might be in his files. Worth a shot?

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« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2016, 01:01:30 PM »
i called marti,the guy who answered the phone said they quit producing the 66 comets way before november.i told him i had a 66 made in november.he said he had never heard of a 66 being built in november.i gave them my vin and he said i was right it was built nov 4 1966.there going to do some checking and get back with me.he sure acted surprised when he heard the nov build day for a 66.i told him about your 67 being made in september and my 66 made in nov..he acted like it blew his mind.i cant wait to hear what marti has to say.
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« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2016, 03:22:38 PM »
they were still putting together 66s in november.my 66 comet came out of the lorain plant with a birthday of nov 4th.thats weird them making 66s in nov and 67s 2 or3 months earilier. 533036 is my production no.

Fryedaddy, I can pretty much guarantee your '66 Comet was built in November of 1965, not November of 1966. Why would Ford be building year old cars that the dealers would have to be selling at a discount? Lorain would have been working day & night cranking out as many '67's as possible, dealers were waiting. If you look at Joe's VIN number the Lorain assembly plant was already up to the 11,000th vehicle by mid-September, there's no way they would only be up to the 33,036th vehicle ( yours ) over a year later - they were cranking out that many cars a MONTH.
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« Reply #12 on: July 20, 2016, 03:31:59 PM »
i guess you are right.i dont know why i was thinking that.it never crossed my mind that is was built in 65
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« Reply #13 on: July 20, 2016, 03:44:08 PM »
i still dont understand.my comet was built in lorain too.if his had a vin in sept of 10000 how could mine be 33036 in nov unless its the same year.im pretty sure it was special ordered.could you not order a 66 in nov of 66 if you wanted that year,say you didnt like the 67s
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« Reply #14 on: July 20, 2016, 04:01:51 PM »
Each car assembly plant VIN consecutive unit number starts over again each model year - Ford at 100,001 - Mercury at 500,001. It's always a unique VIN since it contains other numbers/letters as well. Your VIN starts with a "6", Joe's starts with a "7". There will be a 33,036th vehicle at each plant every year. No, you would not have been able to order a new '66 after the 1967's started production, there more than likely would have been some 1966's left on dealers lots around the country in November of 1966 and any Ford/Mercury dealer could have helped find you one already produced if that's what you really wanted.
Kevin Rolph

1967 Cougar Drag Car ( under constuction )
1966 7 litre Galaxie
1966 Country Squire 390
1966 Cyclone GT 390
1968 Torino GT 390
1972 Gran Torino wagon
1978 Lincoln Mk V