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FE Technical Forum / Need to quiet down our 484 FE...
« on: March 26, 2024, 07:27:47 AM »
Right now I am running REF headers, a Magnaflow X pipe, and Magnaflow Street-Series mufflers (straight thru design, not chambered).  I am considering some quieter mufflers, but I'm curious if this has any effect on the amount of perceivable header ping.  I'd really rather not have to change out those headers if I can avoid it.  It's louder at the engine bay than behind the tailpipes at idle.  Younger me wouldn't care, but older me needs something quieter so I don't feel guilty firing it up on a Saturday morning.   

I'm struggling to understand the sound dynamic difference between this and other cars I've built over the years.  I had a cammed GT500 with long tube headers and a similar exhaust setup, and the engine bay was quiet by comparison.  I imagine the wall thickness was greater on those Kooks headers than the REFs.  All of the sound was behind the car.  That's what I'd like on the Mach 1.

If I just swap out the mufflers for something quieter, do you think it'll get me what I'm looking for, or should I start looking for a different set of headers or exhaust manifolds? 

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Non-FE Discussion Forum / Hood Sound/Heat Insulation - Any Difference?
« on: December 28, 2023, 02:53:28 PM »
I'm looking at adding some hood insulation to protect the paint and maybe cut down on engine bay noise.  Has anyone noticed an actual difference with/without this insulation?

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Non-FE Discussion Forum / Any Ford Cologne V6 experts in here?
« on: July 24, 2023, 06:57:20 AM »
I'm starting on a new project car for my wife, and it'll be powered by a Ford 2.8l V6.  Since the Holley Sniper system worked out fantastic on our Mach 1 project, I figured it would be a good contender for TBI on a 2.8l, except I can't find a distributor that's compatible.  Holley makes a Hyperspark distributor for the Ford I6, but nothing specifically for the V6, and I do not know if they are interchangeable.  I would really like for the Holley unit to control timing, so running a standard distributor would be a last resort.

Any suggestions? 

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FE Technical Forum / Ideal temps and fan setpoints?
« on: May 30, 2023, 06:50:44 AM »
We finally got our Mach 1 finished, tuned, and on the road.  We had a 180f thermostat installed and a dual Spal electric fan setup.  Both fans can be controlled independently with outputs from the Holley EFI system, so I currently have the on/off setpoints as: 
Fan 1 On:  185
Fan 1 Off:  180
Fan 2 On:  190
Fan 2 Off:  185

The engine seems "happy" around 185-190.  The hottest it has been is 215f when one of the fan harness connectors came loose, shorted, and blew the fuse.  We drove home 7 miles without a fan, not a single drop in the puke tank.  I made an all new fan harness with dual fuses and 6ga primary feed, so that problem should never happen again.  Even with that, at 215 it was running beautifully, oil pressure strong even at hot idle.

I'm averaging about 8-9mpg so far which seems decent for what it is.  484ci with the Procharger F1D.

What's the consensus on operating temps?  Where do you like to see them, and what would you recommend for fan setpoints?

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FE Technical Forum / Dumb Exhaust Question
« on: August 05, 2022, 08:02:15 AM »
The nearby city just put in a new sound ordinance bill, and now several surrounding towns are doing it too.  People in the local Mustang club have been reporting that first time offenders are getting $1,080 fines.  It's aimed at reducing hooning, which I understand, but some people are getting nailed even if they aren't hooning around.  It got me thinking...

How much of the perceived "noise" is truly coming from the tailpipes on cars like ours?  I've owned a few high-hp mod motors and coyotes with aggressive cams, and almost all of the volume was from the tailpipes (obviously all overhead cams...).  But, with big pushrod engines with aggressive cams, it seems split between the engine bay and the tailpipes.  I took a video of our Mach 1 just sitting there idling, and the tailpipes weren't that loud at idle but you could hear every pulse from the engine all around almost irrespective to exhaust.  It's just something that hasn't occurred to me to really investigate before. 

Changing out the cam in our FE is not something I really want to do at this time, but I am entertaining putting in quieter mufflers (2.5" Magnaflows right now), but I'm curious if it'll really have much of an effect.  Any thoughts?



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FE Technical Forum / DipStick Woes and Fuel Line / Exhaust Clearance
« on: February 28, 2022, 08:34:47 AM »
First, I have grown to really hate the FE dipstick design.  I wasted two weekends fabricating dipstick tubes only to find that no matter what I did, the dipstick (Cable or flat style) would just run up over the windage tray.  The Procharger inlet interferes with the original tube location.  I decided to give up on that original location and plugged it.  Unfortunately I can't get a 7qt pan on the engine because of the headers, and I have a Moroso 5qt on at the moment.  Is anyone aware of any methods for putting a dipstick in?  I looked at designing and machining a tube flange to put into the side of the 5qt pan, but I'm not sure if I can get it high enough to measure the top of the oil and not just fully submerge it.

Second...  We finished out the exhaust this weekend and it sounds great.  I went with a Magnaflow 2.5", and it took some custom fab to make it all work.  One concern I have is that the fuel lines (-10 and -8 PTFE) loop up and over the exhaust and get rather close.  The return is roughly 1.25" away where it crosses over.  I have a large Cool-It heat shield over the exhaust in that area, and the fuel lines have heat shield sleeves over them too.  There is no other way to route the lines without having to remake them.  The long term plan is to bring the car to a local exhaust shop and having them TIG up custom over-axle pipes to get better clearance.  Just curious if I could get by with this in the short term.  The lines continue along the pinch weld, run through the torque box, frame rail, and come up through the battery shelf in the engine bay, so they're as far away from headers as possible.  I'm thinking about snaking a thermocouple into the fuel line sleeve and measuring the temp on a drive. 

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FE Technical Forum / Steering Wheel Issue - Taper Depth and Grounding
« on: February 14, 2022, 10:10:02 AM »
I wasted the better part of Sunday chasing an issue.  We swapped in an Ididit tilt column (Ford direct fit) into our '69 Mach 1.  The steering wheel adapter bottomed out against the column while I was torquing the center nut, locking the assembly in place.  I took a few measurements to compare the original column vs the new one and could not find any major difference.  Basically, the adapter runs up on the tapered shaft too far and instead of wheel gap being set by the taper fit, it's just striking the column tube.  I could turn the adapter down to "cheat" the wheel gap with no real risk anywhere, but I was curious if anyone else has run into this and if there's something I'm overlooking.

I did get the wheel assembly together temporarily so we could move the car.  The horn relay triggers when applying torque to the wheel, or any in/out force.  The wheel itself is solid.  The pogo pins in the switch line up correctly with the two slip rings.  It's all brand new components and the wiring is correct.  Talk about infuriating.

Any ideas? 

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FE Technical Forum / Electric Fans power from charging circuit?
« on: January 01, 2022, 06:37:20 PM »
I have heard two opposing opinions on the matter of powering electric fans (independently fused and relayed of course) off the alternator.  Some people say it is fine, others say to avoid it.  My battery and solenoid are in the trunk, and there are no other available ~30amp connections available without running a dedicated cable up from the distribution block in the trunk.  If I have a 1-wire internally regulated alternator running to a megafuse and 10ga cable going all the way back to the battery, is there any harm in running the fans off that?  The only downside is that the power isn't "conditioned" through the battery in this case.

I'm upgrading the cooling from a single pusher fan to a dual puller and shroud.  Total draw is only 22amps when running but it will spike higher on initial startup as expected.   


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FE Technical Forum / Hot Idle Oil Pressure
« on: November 29, 2021, 11:05:09 AM »
We took the Mach 1 out for its maiden voyage yesterday.  All went well, no issues whatsoever.  I just drove it up to the nearby gas station to fill the tank, keeping an eye on every gauge.  When I fired it back up after filling the tank, I noticed the oil pressure was around 15psi at idle.  I believe idle is set to around 650rpm which I think is a bit low (engine smooths out nicely around 800, thinking about just leaving it there).  As soon as I put it in gear and started moving, it shot back up to between 45-55psi.  I do know that FEs are notorious for low hot idle oil pressure, but is this something I need to watch or be concerned with, or is it normal?  The other part to question is the Autometer sending unit's accuracy that low...

On a side note and somewhat related...  Let's talk cam and idle quality.  We all love the sound of a nice lopey cam, but the cause of that sound and behavior is essentially chaotic conditions in air and fuel volumes by valve motion not meant for low velocity.  There's very little load on anything at idle, and everything smooths out as load and rpm increase.  But, I have to wonder, is that aggressive cam behavior necessarily "bad" in the long run?  If I was asked that from an engineering perspective, I'd probably say "not by anything measurable," but I'd like to know your opinions. 

I have the TCP urethane motor mounts, which are pretty stiff, so the car shakes pretty violently at idle (part and parcel for having a big cam in a pony car).  However, I've had multiple other vehicles with big cams that didn't give me this sense of "everything is falling apart."  Is this just a perspective and something to get used to?  Rolling down the road at 45mph, the Mach 1 was surprisingly smooth and comfortable, but that idle is a bit wild...

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FE Technical Forum / 6" Vac at Idle?
« on: October 25, 2021, 12:57:59 PM »
I'm seeing about 6" of vac at idle and a max of 10" on rpm decel after a throttle blip.  Is that about normal?

Engine Specs:
484ci, 9.6:1 CR, Trick Flow Heads
Initial timing = 15 degrees, advance to 30 WOT (through Dual-sync and Holley Sniper)

The cam specs are:
287/299 - 110LSA
Dur @ 0.050":  Int 233 / Exh 245
Lift = Int 0.595" / Exh 0.595"

Lots of overlap...

The engine idles nicely, so we doubt there is a vacuum leak anywhere.  Initial timing might not be perfect, and there is some notable low-end hesitation until the engine is up to temp (give it a blip of the throttle and it misfires).  I'm adding an electric pump for the brake booster, and I am working out details for adding a GZ vac pump.  The tuner noted that the engine was weeping a tiny bit of oil out the FMS after 10-20 minutes of running on the dyno, low varying throttle.  I haven't seen a single drip anywhere myself, but it is something I am watching for.  Then again, the car hasn't left my driveway as I'm working out other issues first.

Any advice or things I should watch out for? 



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FE Technical Forum / It's Alive! But needs help...
« on: October 21, 2021, 07:41:03 AM »
The Mach 1 was fired up for the first time in over 2 years.  The whole car was stripped down to unibody last year and we did a complete rebuild from scratch (with the exception of the 428 block). 

The engine sounds downright nasty.  But, there are a few items I need to address:

1)  Starter is bogged down, voltage drops to 9v when cranking.  New solenoid and battery are in the trunk.  2ga cable runs to the starter through a post-style bulkhead.  I had it running through a large bus bar straight off the battery, but there must be some stupid amount of resistance along that circuit.  The ground was to frame.  The tech added a temporary 2ga cable ground from the starter back to the main ground lug from the battery, which seemed to help a little.  He said I should go with 0 gauge instead of 2 on the +12 running up to the starter.  The same starter and arrangement fired up the old engine no problem.  It's a Powermaster gear drive unit that we used to crank the old engine maybe 3-4 times total before we tore the whole car apart.  They can start the engine, it just doesn't turn over as fast as it should with that much voltage drop.  I don't think the engine is too tight or bound in any way.

2)  Cooling.  I have a single Spal pusher fan on a Northern 428 radiator.  The tech and tuner are concerned that it won't be enough.  I'd like to stay electric.  I love the look of this setup- does anyone have any experience with them?  Single big puller with a shroud:
https://speedcooling.com/product/1967-1970-mustang-aluminum-radiator-22-ds-outlet-3391/

If all goes well, we get the car back from the tuner tomorrow.  I then get to put our Halotron extinguisher in it and take it for some test drives up the street and back

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FE Technical Forum / 2.5" vs 3" Exhaust and Muffler Options
« on: September 22, 2021, 07:42:56 AM »
Our Mach 1 is going for startup next week, but has to hit the exhaust shop first.  I'm debating between 2.5" and 3".  I am also looking at Borla ProXS or XR1s for a more unique sound.  Pipes will be rear-exit.  I have a set of 2.5 Magnaflows and they just weren't all that awe-inspiring.  I've put 800hp through 2x 2.5 before, so this is less about performance and more about sound.  We're guessing the Mach 1 will be around 700-750hp max when all is said and done, street use only.  A few exhaust guys have said you can get 3" under a '69 Mustang but it is tight at the rear axle.

Has anyone run dual 3" on an FE?  Was it obnoxiously loud?  My wife runs Borla ATAKs (5.0 Coyote), and I ran ATAKs on a '14 GT500, so that's about where I would like to be noise-level for the street.  We're not obnoxious drivers either. 

Looking for feedback before we start welding things up


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FE Technical Forum / Startup and Break-in Tips?
« on: September 01, 2021, 02:49:34 PM »
This will be the 4th "new engine" break-in I've been a part of.  That's probably nothing compared to many of you veterans...

I understand pre-priming the oiling system by running the oil pump through the distributor port.  How much is too much?

The TFS heads were set up with a restrictor as recommended, but taking the valve covers off may not be much of an option here (engine is wedged in, spacers used for rocker clearance- any suggestions?

Oil recommendation?  Additives?  I always ran non-detergent conventional oil with zinc additive for break in.  I've read that Rotella 5w40 is great, but that gets into the synth vs conventional debate.  This is a roller setup, not flat tappet.

I had to fabricate a dipstick tube to work around the blower, it was a major pain.  I need to cut the cable (Lokar) to length to set 5qts nominal.  What is the wet vs dry fill for a typical FE?  I just need to know what would be safe to fill to for startup.  I figure once I drain it and re-fill, I can put 5qts in and mark it then since the oil system is "primed" at that point.

Any other tips/tricks? 

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FE Technical Forum / C6 Selector Shaft Stuck in Neutral
« on: July 17, 2021, 04:59:15 PM »
Edit - This wound up being a non-issue...

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FE Technical Forum / FE Dipstick Port
« on: July 02, 2021, 08:08:14 AM »
Is there a step in the dipstick port on FE blocks?  I have tried 3 different dipsticks (Lokar seems to fit the best) but the ID of the dipstick port seems unreasonably small.  I don't believe there is a tube snapped off in there, or it would be the cleanest break I've ever seen.  But, there is a pronounced step.

Does anyone have a picture or dimensions of what this should measure to?

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