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chris401

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Plumbed Remote Oil Filter Backwards
« on: January 12, 2016, 12:14:39 AM »
Today I crossed the hoses at the oil filter adapter. Wix filter / stock oil pump. The first minute it ran till I killed it to tighten a leaking loose line. It ran about two more minutes till the lifters got noisy, so I killed it. Tomorrow I am going to cut the filter open to see what, if anything of the filter is missing. I'm concerned there is paper pluged in starving a bearing, so I am expecting a complete tear down. Any chance I am over thinking this scenario?
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Re: Plumbed Remote Oil Filter Backwards
« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2016, 01:50:57 AM »
I'd say inspect the oil filter closely before freaking out.
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Re: Plumbed Remote Oil Filter Backwards
« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2016, 06:38:30 AM »
One more reason to NOT run a remote filter as a single filter is more than enough. Billions of hard miles in FE equipped taxis, passenger cars, light trucks, muscle cars, boast etc. and every single one had a stock location single filter!

Lucky not have scored the bearings and crank.   
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Re: Plumbed Remote Oil Filter Backwards
« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2016, 08:44:58 AM »
If you hurt something or not will probably depend on the drain back valve and if the Wix filter has one. The filter material is pretty well supported so it is really unlikely you damaged the filter media. However a drain back valve would reduce oil flow back into the engine when reversed. I doubt you hurt it just at idle and no load on the engine. When the lifters started to get noisey it is good you shut it down. You saved it by that action. I take it this engine was already running and broken in and you just added the remote filter?

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Re: Plumbed Remote Oil Filter Backwards
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2016, 12:18:07 PM »
Thanks for some of those really amusing responses.

           JMHO, Lube filters always flow from the outside in. The inherent strength of filter's is designed for and derived from that Outside-In flow path. The media/pleats, media backing/support layers are intended to be "compressed inward" on to the center-tube not "blow up" from the inside out w/o any support.  When oil's flowed ass backwards through the filter cartridge and the anti-drainback valve (designed to be very sensitive to minute inches of differential pressure/essentially gravity flow) it sees instead pounds of differential pressure (what the oil pump's bypass pressure is).

JMHO I'd carefully cut it apart using a filter cutter, to avoid creating any contamination or damage that could confuse the issues and carefully inspect the filter cartridge pleats & end cap components for rupturing as well as the anti-drainback seal.  I believe damages to the filters guts will be limited to ruptures, not physically tearing off pieces from the rupture  (careful inspection remember).

If filter parts are torn away and extruded ass-backwards through the lube system they could certainly blind off flow or will blind flow sooner or later.  Worst case filter media pieces being porous will allow flow, but eventually being filter media they could do what filters do - get stopped up.

Re: "One more reason to NOT run a remote filter as a single filter is more than enough. Billions of hard miles in FE equipped taxis, passenger cars, light trucks, muscle cars, boast etc. and every single one had a stock location single filter!"

          Unfortunately running a remote is required for chassis clearance issues, remote coolers and the ability to run more filtration capacity which offers many benefits.  Because someone was not savvy enough to simply determine and connect the remote oil line sequences properly is a poor excuse for others to avoid modifying their lube/filter systems to match their modified motors.   


   
   

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Re: Plumbed Remote Oil Filter Backwards
« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2016, 01:17:21 PM »
Blah, blah, blah. Like I said billions.....read'em and weep!
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Re: Plumbed Remote Oil Filter Backwards
« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2016, 02:19:45 PM »

Nothing to sweat, just don't care for the aggravation of rework. This is the engines first oil change, the cam was broke in before it was installed in this engine. The Wix is as straight and unraveled like it hoped it would be. I do agree with something in all your responses. BB, the first couple of paragraphs in your post were good reading. Unfortunately like anyone who has done something long enough we humans are going to eventuality make a mistake. Keep reading you'll find not all projects take 30 minutes.

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Re: Plumbed Remote Oil Filter Backwards
« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2016, 06:07:35 PM »
I would probably still remove the media and inspect the inside of it, since that's where the flow was coming from. The filter looks good as far as any physical damage. Keeping those fingers crossed seems to have worked :)
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Re: Plumbed Remote Oil Filter Backwards
« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2016, 07:42:10 PM »
You educated me, It appears the flapper of the back-flow diaphragm took on the full oil pressure of the pumps relief setting pressure and did not fail.. I'm curious are there any extrusion markings in the diaphragm's sealing surface from trying to shove it through the ports?   

 The good news is no flow went beyond the flapper and no need to look further because the element saw no flow reverse or forward so it should not even be a factor.

I thought the flapper diaphragm could fail at 60-80psi but I was wrong. Obviously way stronger in construction then it would normally experience.  Keep in mind as firm as the diaphragm is to seal drainback oil pressure, it must yield/lift for it to flow normally.

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Re: Plumbed Remote Oil Filter Backwards
« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2016, 11:36:13 PM »
You educated me, It appears the flapper of the back-flow diaphragm took on the full oil pressure of the pumps relief setting pressure and did not fail.. I'm curious are there any extrusion markings in the diaphragm's sealing surface from trying to shove it through the ports?   

 The good news is no flow went beyond the flapper and no need to look further because the element saw no flow reverse or forward so it should not even be a factor.

I thought the flapper diaphragm could fail at 60-80psi but I was wrong. Obviously way stronger in construction then it would normally experience.  Keep in mind as firm as the diaphragm is to seal drainback oil pressure, it must yield/lift for it to flow normally.
Thats along the though I had. I knew it was getting some oil because it leaked at first. Either things got loose as it warmed up or the warm oil caused the rubber to expand or both. Other than taking longer to prime the filter I didn't give the drain back valve a lot of thought. This time it saved the engine from oil filter from coming apart on the road. Probably saved me a tear down.

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Re: Plumbed Remote Oil Filter Backwards
« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2016, 08:39:53 AM »
Don't forget there was no oil flowing out of the oil filter into the lube passages - I believe you mentioned the hydraulic lifters ticking?.....
. If a drainback diaphragm stops only a few inches of oil pressure differential from flowing, pounds of oil pressure forcing on the seal  absolutely guaranties no oil flows past that sealing surface.
    Again, I'd like to know if there was any indication of the drainback diaphragm trying to be extruded through the ports?...... any imprints in the diaphragm's seal surface??????????????????????

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Re: Plumbed Remote Oil Filter Backwards
« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2016, 10:14:57 AM »
I threw it away yesterday. The leaking line was on the bearing side of the filter.