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Re: Reflektions... warning long rant
« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2018, 06:27:04 AM »
I get some "flack" for not having my phone on me when I go out to lunch or dinner. I find it inconvenient and rude, to be receiving calls when I am out to have conversation and a good meal with friends.
On the "next generation", I'll just say it's a mixed bag. I had 2 Mennonites put up my pole barn 30x40. They were 24 and 26 years of age, showed up at 7:15 each morning. They worked until 4:30, and finished the job in 4 days. Did nice work too.

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« Reply #16 on: October 17, 2018, 07:52:23 AM »
I get some "flack" for not having my phone on me when I go out to lunch or dinner. I find it inconvenient and rude, to be receiving calls when I am out to have conversation and a good meal with friends.
On the "next generation", I'll just say it's a mixed bag. I had 2 Mennonites put up my pole barn 30x40. They were 24 and 26 years of age, showed up at 7:15 each morning. They worked until 4:30, and finished the job in 4 days. Did nice work too.

Ditto, I find it rude while spending time with people, to be constantly interrupted by 'phone checking'. The Mennonite and Amish (it's Amish where I live) are brought up differently. It's hard to compare their work ethic to the average person these days. The Amish have a stellar work reputation around my parts, and it's well deserved.

And kudos to you, Drew, for encouraging those kids to advance their skills in areas that interest them. My Son makes a concentrated effort to pass on basic skills and mechanical knowledge to his 2 sons. Even if they choose tech or business routes in life, those skills will greatly help them. Unfortunately, for most kids today, the internet, and forums like this, are the only places to learn and increase that knowledge.
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« Reply #17 on: October 17, 2018, 11:09:26 AM »
I used to get a little irritated when my stepson had his phone out but latter learned he was taking a lot of pictures of us and projects we were working on.

In my opinion, like many of you, we are not so much cramped for time in our easy, convenient modern life style as we think. I believe due to our electronic devices and unbalanced time spent on entertainment that we simply end up spending too much time with them and in turn feel cramped trying to get the important things done. I strived to spend more time with my family by spending less time on my own projects and at times saying no my employer. Although there were times when I was hypocritical, I can look back and not regret that I neglected my responsibility as a father or was selfish with my time.

I do not have the right to tell you dad's how to raise your children nor am I condiming anyone that, as I have, works long hours to provide. However I am in a position of experience that I hope no parent ever has to be in.

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« Reply #18 on: October 17, 2018, 11:50:15 AM »
Kids today are smart. They've grown up in an age where they are motivated to become increasingly tech savvy just to keep up with their friends. That may or may not pay off for them in the long run. Need your computer fixed, find a 12 year old.

That said, in the 21 years that I had my shop I can't recall a youngster coming into my shop and asking for a job. That is how I started so many years ago...an apprentice in a Mercedes/Volvo shop. Getting greasy,burnt,sliced, bending over a fender for hours, crawling around on the floor, and picking up heavy stuff isn't what their future holds.

Now retired, I wonder where the future techs are coming from. Probably 40% of my job was done on a laptop or hand held scanner. Folks good enough with the tech "thingies" (I am not that good) surely will not want to get dirty out in a shop...and will be looking for a desk job.


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« Reply #19 on: October 17, 2018, 12:16:33 PM »
I used to get a little irritated when my stepson had his phone out but latter learned he was taking a lot of pictures of us and projects we were working on.

In my opinion, like many of you, we are not so much cramped for time in our easy, convenient modern life style as we think. I believe due to our electronic devices and unbalanced time spent on entertainment that we simply end up spending too much time with them and in turn feel cramped trying to get the important things done. I strived to spend more time with my family by spending less time on my own projects and at times saying no my employer. Although there were times when I was hypocritical, I can look back and not regret that I neglected my responsibility as a father or was selfish with my time.

I do not have the right to tell you dad's how to raise your children nor am I condiming anyone that, as I have, works long hours to provide. However I am in a position of experience that I hope no parent ever has to be in.
I had my child late in life, and am a retired stay at home dad with a 9 yr old daughter. One of the things I do, that I believe is REALLY valuable to both her and I, is I DO NOT pick her up from school in the car, I walk to pick her up, and we walk home together. We get off the busy streets and take quiet side streets, and we cut through a heavily forested park on the way home,,even though it means walking farther. The reason I believe this is so important is, it gives us time together immediately after school, where my attention is completely focused on her, nothing else. We talk about what happened in school, and if there have been problems with another child or something has pissed her off, it gives me the opportunity to talk to her in depth about how she could possibly resolve or deal with those issues in a constructive way, and if that isn't going to work, how to avoid taking on or internalizing other people's "issues". We spend time talking about nature, beauty, the importance of quiet time for introspection, and on and on.
The reasons for this are two-fold, it helps her learn to deal with conflicts and problems without having them take her over and rent space in her head, and in my opinion, more important, it shows her in a very real and concrete way that what she thinks and feels matters to me, and I am going to take the time to listen, and make the effort to understand.
I FREQUENTLY find myself having a conversation with other parents on the schoolyard that comment on how she seems to talk to me and tell me how she really feels and thinks about things, and I try to gently explain to them that its because when she talks to me, I listen and engage. I also find that I often know more about what THEIR kids are going through than they do themselves, this is because their kids talk more to my daughter than they do to their own parents.
Many times, I see these same parents, their children will approach them and try to talk about their problems, and the parents are too busy on their phones to listen. They pretend they are listening, but they are scrolling and texting the entire time, and the kids are VERY much aware that this is what they are doing, and their voices trail off and go quiet, and the kid walks away, with no meaningful feedback or interaction from the parent, other than a "yes" or "no". If you can't be bothered to listen go your child when they are 8 or 9, what the he'll makes you think they are going to come to YOU when they have a problem at 14 or 15?
Personally, I don't own a phone, I don't use Facebook or Twitter, or any of this other garbage, and I don't even post on here that much. This isn't because I am a luddite, or anti-technology, I have been using the internet since the eighties. Karl Marx said that religion was the opiate of the masses, but he was unable to see the arrival of personal electronics. And now, for many MANY people, the phone is their new God, their parent figure, their lover, and their best friend all rolled into one. It is changing us as a species, changing the way we relate to each other, isolating us, and totally disengaging us from each other. Stop and think about the ramifications of that for us as a species, and what it means for the future of democracy, and for civilization at large.


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« Reply #20 on: October 17, 2018, 12:22:13 PM »
Cell phones. Go back and re-read 1984, it should give you chills. Orwell under-estimated just how pervasive and all-seeing it was going to be. They don't NEED to hang it on your wall, they have you convinced that you gotta carry it in your pocket, and they convince you to pay for it as well. My guess is within my kids lifetime, the cops won't ask to see your ID, they will ask for your phone instead, and if you don't produce one, off you will go. Too political?
In Sweden they have started this "voulonter" test with a microchip implanted under the skin.
Ohh its so convenient to pay traintickets, and for your safety and bla bla bla. There is actually
people that are that stupid that they do it. And when they have enough that had done it they
will make it mandatory for everyone...For our own security of cause, if you get lost they can find you
and you don't need your ID with you, how convenient.... . and top that with self driving cars and cash
is not usable any more.....Then we are slaves under the rulers.....
Sweden hell, there's a company in Wisconsin doing the same thing with their employees. It's "voluntary", for NOW.

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« Reply #21 on: October 17, 2018, 12:24:47 PM »
Heh, I do spend too much time on water, it’s true.

That said in the little time I do have, I currently have five kids under 21 that stop by to learn stuff.
One has this crappy Chevy. He knows it’s a pos but it’s his. So I show him how to weld sheet metal.
The other kid is fascinated with wood working and asked his family for donations toward a lathe for Xmas.
Another is my daughters boyfriend’s brother. He’s planning on coming down from Virginia to spend “summer camp” time in my shop next year.

I just have trouble believing that with me only spending a few months a year on land, working in my shop those few months, and being an ornery misanthrope, that I can find these kids in desolate South Georgia.
Maybe it’s different elsewhere. No matter, I was just trying to find the best in our species.
More applause. I know it's a corny old cliche, but it really does take a village to raise a child, especially when half the parents out there can't pull their eyes off their goddam phones!

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Re: Reflektions... warning long rant
« Reply #22 on: October 18, 2018, 10:04:28 AM »
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Is it progress when you have to have a smartphone to order food at a restaurant?  yes there is such a restaurant
my stepsons girlfriend sugested we should go and eat there?????

Just depends on how you view "tech".  We're both IT people and just spent 90 minutes in the driveway in the Escape with the motor idling while we downloaded Android Auto, FordPass, etc, flused out the POs system entries, updated Sync to V3, linked in our devices and played around with Google maps to the dash, play lists from Amazon, text to speech, hands free, voice commands, setting the interior LED lighting, etc, etc.  Lotsa fun, very cool stuff.  Love that tech.  :)

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« Reply #23 on: October 18, 2018, 10:25:56 AM »
I LOVE wide band 02 sensors. I LOVE knock sensors and programmable ignition boxes (as long as they can be triggered by points ;) :D) I LOVE good dyno sym computer programs, Pipemax, and I LOVE the amount of info I have at my fingertips via the internet.

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« Reply #24 on: October 18, 2018, 11:42:57 AM »
We're both IT people and just spent 90 minutes in the driveway in the Escape....Lotsa fun, very cool stuff.  Love that tech.  :)

Wait till you have to change the battery in that Escape. Remove the windshield wipers, remove the cowl panel, remove the lower drain panel...just to get to it. I like my lo-tech Galaxie, Mustang and '70 truck :)
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« Reply #25 on: October 18, 2018, 02:15:09 PM »
I used to get a little irritated when my stepson had his phone out but latter learned he was taking a lot of pictures of us and projects we were working on.

In my opinion, like many of you, we are not so much cramped for time in our easy, convenient modern life style as we think. I believe due to our electronic devices and unbalanced time spent on entertainment that we simply end up spending too much time with them and in turn feel cramped trying to get the important things done. I strived to spend more time with my family by spending less time on my own projects and at times saying no my employer. Although there were times when I was hypocritical, I can look back and not regret that I neglected my responsibility as a father or was selfish with my time.

I do not have the right to tell you dad's how to raise your children nor am I condiming anyone that, as I have, works long hours to provide. However I am in a position of experience that I hope no parent ever has to be in.
I had my child late in life, and am a retired stay at home dad with a 9 yr old daughter. One of the things I do, that I believe is REALLY valuable to both her and I, is I DO NOT pick her up from school in the car, I walk to pick her up, and we walk home together. We get off the busy streets and take quiet side streets, and we cut through a heavily forested park on the way home,,even though it means walking farther. The reason I believe this is so important is, it gives us time together immediately after school, where my attention is completely focused on her, nothing else. We talk about what happened in school, and if there have been problems with another child or something has pissed her off, it gives me the opportunity to talk to her in depth about how she could possibly resolve or deal with those issues in a constructive way, and if that isn't going to work, how to avoid taking on or internalizing other people's "issues". We spend time talking about nature, beauty, the importance of quiet time for introspection, and on and on.
The reasons for this are two-fold, it helps her learn to deal with conflicts and problems without having them take her over and rent space in her head, and in my opinion, more important, it shows her in a very real and concrete way that what she thinks and feels matters to me, and I am going to take the time to listen, and make the effort to understand.
I FREQUENTLY find myself having a conversation with other parents on the schoolyard that comment on how she seems to talk to me and tell me how she really feels and thinks about things, and I try to gently explain to them that its because when she talks to me, I listen and engage. I also find that I often know more about what THEIR kids are going through than they do themselves, this is because their kids talk more to my daughter than they do to their own parents.
Many times, I see these same parents, their children will approach them and try to talk about their problems, and the parents are too busy on their phones to listen. They pretend they are listening, but they are scrolling and texting the entire time, and the kids are VERY much aware that this is what they are doing, and their voices trail off and go quiet, and the kid walks away, with no meaningful feedback or interaction from the parent, other than a "yes" or "no". If you can't be bothered to listen go your child when they are 8 or 9, what the he'll makes you think they are going to come to YOU when they have a problem at 14 or 15?
Personally, I don't own a phone, I don't use Facebook or Twitter, or any of this other garbage, and I don't even post on here that much. This isn't because I am a luddite, or anti-technology, I have been using the internet since the eighties. Karl Marx said that religion was the opiate of the masses, but he was unable to see the arrival of personal electronics. And now, for many MANY people, the phone is their new God, their parent figure, their lover, and their best friend all rolled into one. It is changing us as a species, changing the way we relate to each other, isolating us, and totally disengaging us from each other. Stop and think about the ramifications of that for us as a species, and what it means for the future of democracy, and for civilization at large.

I believe that intelligence is, to a significant extent, learned. You must be born with the basic equipment, but from the very first, treated properly, you can be a sponge soaking up knowledge.

Intelligence is, when it comes right down to it, the ability to learn---and when very young, those you interact with can teach you how to go about it. It's been said that the ideal time to test intelligence is at two years old. So those first two years are vital. You're doing things right. Good for you, and your daughter will be the better for it.

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Re: Reflektions... warning long rant
« Reply #26 on: October 18, 2018, 04:23:55 PM »
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Is it progress when you have to have a smartphone to order food at a restaurant?  yes there is such a restaurant
my stepsons girlfriend sugested we should go and eat there?????

Just depends on how you view "tech".  We're both IT people and just spent 90 minutes in the driveway in the Escape with the motor idling while we downloaded Android Auto, FordPass, etc, flused out the POs system entries, updated Sync to V3, linked in our devices and played around with Google maps to the dash, play lists from Amazon, text to speech, hands free, voice commands, setting the interior LED lighting, etc, etc.  Lotsa fun, very cool stuff.  Love that tech.  :)

I view it like. When i want to go out and eat, i want to talk to a real waitress, maybe flirt a little , enjoy the company of those that are with me. Not sitting in a circle  fingering our phones beacuse the restaurant owner is to cheap to hire real people, And about the Escape...that list what you did in it would make me Escape  the Escape ;D.I have never felt the need to talk to my car :P I need an oilpressure gauge, temp gauge, thats it, tach and speedo is acsessories. Or need and need, if the oilpressure drops it start knocking and if it overheats it it start steaming :D



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« Reply #27 on: October 18, 2018, 05:11:42 PM »
This little video kind of sums it up for me. I refer to them as zombies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QugooaNRnsk

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« Reply #28 on: October 18, 2018, 06:12:16 PM »
This little video kind of sums it up for me. I refer to them as zombies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QugooaNRnsk
:( sums it up pretty good.... One of my sons girlfriend crashed with her car
a car stopped so she thought they was going to help her...nope jumped out filmed
with their smartphones jumpt in the car and went away ???
At another accident they started to fight with the firemens because they wont move
so they could film the mangled bodies....what do you do with a film like that??? save
to show at the next family dinner??? jerk of to later that night or???



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« Reply #29 on: October 18, 2018, 07:22:34 PM »
This little video kind of sums it up for me. I refer to them as zombies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QugooaNRnsk

I know many will say that we're all just being 'doom & gloom', but sometimes you have to look at the bigger picture. That video, while being a cartoon, is pretty darn accurate. The trend is NOT going to go away either, so imagine in the next 10 years, or 15....

I like the few apps I have on my phone; weather/radar, GPS (although I'm a firm believer in map reading), and my Speed View app. which gives speed, direction and other GPS data. But I find myself setting it down and walking away from it more and more. I will say that some tech is awesome, like up-to-date traffic information (with re-routing abilities) and radar at my fingertips.
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