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brrypyn

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Re: Calling All Close Ratio Toploader Galaxie Owners
« Reply #60 on: May 03, 2024, 09:10:22 AM »
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Matching rebuilt stroker FE352 to 434.  Brent Lykins consulted for internals:  SCAT cast 4.25" crank, custom pistons and rods for 4.030" bore, Harland Sharp rockers, Morel lifters, custom hydraulic roller cam, EB RPM Performer alum intake, EB alum 650cfm 4v.  Mating rebuilt 3.03 toploader 3 spd w/OD - HEF-BG (was behind 289) which likely makes it a close ratio because of the original body size/weight and small displacement engine.  To me? - okay; because splitting gears puts the engine in ready grasp of torque range for my 65 Galaxie convertible (3.50:1 rear) set to begin curve at 1200 rpm.  Car has to climb mountain every trip - 2000ft in 2.5 mi.  But, also have 3 interstates nearby plus BR Pkwy.  Have not found anyone with a 3spd OD in a big gal to converse with.  Before we go off the edge of the world on the OD unit, I found that it is/was same for all full size cars and primarily, trucks.  Should take the torque well - just the same, I'm not a thrasher.  But I will row through the gears with some authority at times, splitting gears to keep an engine between 1500-4000 fences.

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Re: Calling All Close Ratio Toploader Galaxie Owners
« Reply #61 on: May 03, 2024, 11:43:05 AM »
had one in a 1980 f150 with a 300 ci. real piece of crap. junkyard ones were expensive because of their demand, seemed to eat bearings and clusters. I'd be looking for a 5 speed.
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Re: Calling All Close Ratio Toploader Galaxie Owners
« Reply #62 on: May 03, 2024, 12:23:00 PM »
I guess that I must have missed this thread the first time, so here is my 2 cents worth on the whole deal. Years ago, I had a mild street strip 70 R code Mach 1. It had a mild solid lifter cam, headers, and a modified Edelbrock Streetmaster intake, with a Holey 780, and had the factory big spline close ratio Toploader, and 4.30 gears and a Detroit Locker. With 28@ tall slicks, it ran mid 12s at 112 MPH, but it felt like it really wanted my gear. But being mostly a street car, even the 4.30s sucked on the freeway, even with the 55 MPH speed limit at that time. One weekend, a buddy lent me his big spline, wide ratio Toploader, which had the 1 3/8" input welded to a wide ratio front gear, so it was a 2.78 1rst gear ratio, with the cluster and all the remaining gears regular wide ratio parts. Back in those days, dragstrips did not have 60 foot timers, but the car felt so much stronger off the line, but when I hit 4th , it broke the 31 spline mainshaft, so I coasted the 2nd half of the 1/4 mile. But I am sure the car was on a pass at least 3 tenths quicker than it ever did with the close ratio. On one long freeway trip with the car, over 300 miles each way, all freeway, I swapped in a 3.00 center section, and although it was fine on the freeway, it absolutely sucked in town, especially from a dead stop. It was embarrassing how slow the car felt.
On my current car, a 4000 + pound (with driver), 59 2 door sedan, with a moderate, aluminum headed .030" 428 CJ, I am running a small input output SB Toploader, and I have 3 different 9" center sections that I swap as required. The "main" is a 31 spline N case with 3.50 gears and a detroit locker., for the occasional trip to the dragstrip, I have a 4.33 ratio with a spool, and for freeway trips, I have the original 2.91 gears, on a 31 spline open. I have used all 3 center sections every year since I put the car on the road 4 years ago, the 3.50s are a nice combination for general street driving, and on the freeway at 60-65 MPH, the 428 is revving 26-2700 RPM, which sounds pretty revvy with the 4" stroke and loudish exhaust system. The 4.33s are much better than the 3.50s at the track, but absolutely suck on the freeway (3400 RPM), and even in town, they are a bit much, as I live in a semi rural area, so the street that I live on is a 50 MPH speed limit, and everything is close to 10 miles away. The 2.91s are currently in the car, and freeway speed puts the tach at about 2100 RPM, but hard to be positive, as the speedo is calibrated for the 3.50s. But the 2.91s are pretty doggy starting off from a dead stop. Keep in mind, that my 428 made 470 HP at 5400 RPM, and 515 ft/lbs of torque at 3000 RPM, so this is hardly a peaky, high RPM engine. With the wide ratio and 3.50 rear, it has the same starting line ratio as a close ratio with 4.2 ratio. Having owned both close and wide ratio Toploaders, in both 351C 4V 70 Mustangs, and several 428 CJ cars, I can`t imagine anybody that has actually driven similar vehicles with both transmissions, would ever even consider choosing a close ratio over a wide, UNLESS they were actually road racing the car. The 5.0 FOX Mustangs had 3.35 first gear ratios in the T5 5 speed, and even with 3.08 gears, had more starting line overall ratio as a CR Toploader with 4.30s. I can imagine that despite being quite light, a 5.0 Fox Mustang with a CR Toploader would be an absolute slug without at least 4.88-5.13 gears at the track. If a person doesn`t care about performance at all, and just wants a 4 speed, then I suppose the CR would be acceptable, but I would never choose one again. The only thing that would be worse for performance, short of an automatic, would be a 3 speed manual, with or without overdrive, or one of those 3/4 speed OD "Orion" transmissions from a late 70s-early 80s Granada or PU/Van.
1978 Fairmont,FE 427 with 428 crank, 4 speed Jerico best of 9.972@132.54MPH 1.29 60 foot
1985 Mustang HB 331 SB Ford, 4 speed Jerico, best of 10.29@128 MPH 1.40 60 foot.
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1959 Ford Meteor 2 dr sedan. 428 Cobra Jet, 4 speed Toploader. 12.54@ 108 MPH

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Re: Calling All Close Ratio Toploader Galaxie Owners
« Reply #63 on: May 04, 2024, 05:24:32 PM »
On the other side of the coin, as a owner of two K code cars (64 Fairlane and 65 Must 2+2), both with CR x 3.89, Even with the the 228° cams, I had no issues with city driving. The Mustang even had at least 27" stock car tires on it.

Of course in those days gas mileage wasn't a issue. It is for me now. I don't even remember what it might have been on the Must, as I never took long trips but, I think it was ~15 with the Fairlane. I took it from SoCal to WA state, when I first got it, in '67.

That said, I can see a advantage in the 2.78 gear today, not in drag racing but, in a street car. 2.78 x 3.25 would give the same overall first gear as the K code cars. Of course the K code cars were much lighter than the later 390/428 Fairlanes and Mustangs but, even though they have more weight, they have much more tq.
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