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TorinoBP88

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I finally have my 2x4 intake running fairly well, really well actually, on my stock CJ spec cam 428 in my 1964 Galaxie sedan with a 4-speed, and a progressive linkage using 1990's 1850 carbs. I had suffered several issues of chasing vacuum leaks, crappy aftermarket throttle blades (on a crappy rebuilds from some on-line 2x4 specialist, i think carls carbs, but dont quote me on that, i dont want to say something bad i can't substatiate) sticky or flooding needles, leaking bowls, wrong power valves, too lean transfer slots, etc... Stock set-up now with 6.5 PVs and stock spec jets, and 28 shooters.  I completely rebuilt all 4 carbs i have.  Still having issues with the one carb that has phenolic floats and a different (shorter) set of needles, i think my stock fuel pump is too high a pressure (5.5 to 6.5 instead of 4.5 psi.)  I bent a stock fuel line so no regulator inline.  I have a holley regulator on my 750 DP, so i may steal it and make a new fuel line with it inline.

The latest problem was a combination of cheap oval air filter paper swelling is the recent heavy rains here (yes this is a Daily Driver car) and choking air flow and the short element allowed the lid of the oval 427 air filter (from Tony Branda) blocking the bowl vent tubes on my 1850, so it would run out of fuel when i pulled out on the road! LOL!  I have two carbs with no choke towers, and two with, so i installed one with a choke.  It failed and flooded the engine (float issues to resolve) So i swapped the float bowls and now i can actually start and drive the car in the cold mornings.  Amazing how that works.

Anyway, when i order a taller 3" air filter element to replace the shorter one (rather then cutting vent tubes), i was wondering if i should also install any carb spacers at the same time?  If so, how tall, 1/2"? 1"?  I think the 3" filter and a 1" will just fit under the 64 hood, but i have not measured it yet.  And should i go open spacer or 4 hole.  This is a totally stock C3 2x4 intake with the clover leave holes where two diagonal holes are joined, so i was thinking 4 hole because an open spacer might create unwanted turbulence?

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Re: Any benefit for carb spacers on a 1963 2x4 intake with two 1850's?
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2017, 01:23:11 PM »
I am running a 1/2" on mine, base plate needs  help to clear dizzy.
I am running a 2.25" air cleaner on mine and its just clears the hood on 63.5 galaxie
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Re: Any benefit for carb spacers on a 1963 2x4 intake with two 1850's?
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2017, 05:35:03 PM »
My 63 has a couple of motorcraft spacers that are 1/4 to 5/16 thick. I got them from the dealer an they have worked well under both the 1850s on my 63 427 and my BC-BDs on my 427 in my 56 f100. I was more concerned about heat sink but this cured my problem. On the 63 my air filter is 1 1/2 " I believe, Would have to look , and it cleared the stock hood. Right now I have the teardrop hood on it so there is plenty of room!


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Re: Any benefit for carb spacers on a 1963 2x4 intake with two 1850's?
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2017, 06:49:33 PM »
Strictly on the carb spacers, it you look around here for recent commentary by Barry R., Capt. Cobrajet, Jay and JDC (Joe) their dyno testing shows:

-it's a crap shoot on a specific engine combo as to what works best.
-in some cases, spacers did little to nothing.
-on other engines, certain spacers, open or 4-hole, resulted in a whale of a big increase in hp, torque or both.

The moral of the story is one doesn't really know the effect of tall, short, open or 4-hole spacers without a lot of experimentation. That would not be cheap on a single 4-barrel set up where you'd have double the cost with two 4-barrels.


 
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Re: Any benefit for carb spacers on a 1963 2x4 intake with two 1850's?
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2017, 07:28:49 PM »
Thanks, for the input.  Thinking about the comments above, i also like the idea of heat protection in the summer... although this time of year i wish i had water heated spacers, the engine is slow to heat up, so it has a cold wet condition that needs extra choke to run for the first 15 min.  Its only 20 to 30 min to get to work so im barely getting the old Gal up to operating temp.

It is pulling really smoothly from 2200 to about 5200, and is very happy at 3000  rpm.  The cam is set up straight up, and its a wider center (112 or so) so its a forgiving cam when everything else is good.

But heat in summer is a killer on carbs and crappy gas!

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Re: Any benefit for carb spacers on a 1963 2x4 intake with two 1850's?
« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2017, 10:41:30 PM »
carb spacers canton https://www.summitracing.com/parts/ctr-85-152/overview/
Stay with a four hole on this intake , they get unhappy with an open spacer.
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Re: Any benefit for carb spacers on a 1963 2x4 intake with two 1850's?
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2017, 10:50:45 PM »
A 1/4", or 1/2" four hole spacer would help, but you would need to blend the ledge where the spacers sit on the manifold since most spacers today are 1 3/4" holes, and the intake is smaller at 1 5/8" diameters.  Also, if you do the spacers, it is helpful to put a radius on the two holes that flow into the open area under the carb.  A simple blend to allow the air to turn easier is all that is needed.  If you decide to blend/put radius on the manifold venture holes, stuff paper towels in each hole before doing any grinding, and vacuum everything extremely thoroughly.  Joe-JDC
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