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Re: 545" High Riser Build
« Reply #150 on: March 06, 2012, 11:22:14 AM »
"Setup Error".   Those two words I know too well.  Don't you hate that, especially on the last operation of a complex part???  :-\

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Re: 545" High Riser Build
« Reply #151 on: March 06, 2012, 11:43:38 AM »
As to colors, the Red on your SOHC motor looks real good, given my usual tendency towards black or Ford Blue they would be my normal choices. But blue with Red wires, uh, no.

Any other color wires out there? I know its spending money twice.

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« Reply #152 on: March 06, 2012, 12:37:28 PM »
Jay that engine just screams "Take Me to Engine Masters".. I think I could still get you a spot.

RB

Gee Royce, you must have a lot of pull with the EM guys LOL!  Unfortunately, about the time that Engine Masters rolls around I hope to be savoring my victory at Drag Week 2012, with the high riser engine still installed in the car and cooling from the event  :D
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- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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Re: 545" High Riser Build
« Reply #153 on: March 06, 2012, 12:38:55 PM »
"Setup Error".   Those two words I know too well.  Don't you hate that, especially on the last operation of a complex part???  :-\

Looking good Jay!

Glad I'm not the only one having that problem...
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- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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Re: 545" High Riser Build
« Reply #154 on: March 06, 2012, 12:41:24 PM »
As to colors, the Red on your SOHC motor looks real good, given my usual tendency towards black or Ford Blue they would be my normal choices. But blue with Red wires, uh, no.

Any other color wires out there? I know its spending money twice.

I kind of thought that blue with red wires would be patriotic ::)  Or not.  Buying new blue wires would be OK, but I kind of like the idea of red in between all the fins.  Gotta do more thinking on this; does it matter though?  I'm not a show car guy...
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- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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Re: 545" High Riser Build
« Reply #155 on: March 06, 2012, 01:25:53 PM »
Put some high-temp socks on the wires...problem solved.   ;D

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Re: 545" High Riser Build
« Reply #156 on: March 06, 2012, 05:22:30 PM »
Jay that engine just screams "Take Me to Engine Masters".. I think I could still get you a spot.

RB

Gee Royce, you must have a lot of pull with the EM guys LOL!  Unfortunately, about the time that Engine Masters rolls around I hope to be savoring my victory at Drag Week 2012, with the high riser engine still installed in the car and cooling from the event  :D

You realize we both have a ways to go to beat the car that won the last two years. Although there is a rumor it's not legal for Street Race BB/NA and would be in Super Street Race BB/NA where you are about even with him given the Galaxie's performance in previous years.

As long as a Blue Oval car is in the Winners Circle I'm happy.

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Re: 545" High Riser Build
« Reply #157 on: March 06, 2012, 06:16:12 PM »
I knew that comment would get a rise out of you Bill  :D  Frankly, I'd be happy too, as long as the Ford in the winner's circle was FORD powered.  Didn't the guy who won last year run 9.70s?  Or was he faster than that?
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- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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Re: 545" High Riser Build
« Reply #158 on: March 06, 2012, 07:05:56 PM »
Jay, I would leave it all raw aluminum, no paint. The aluminum looks too cool to cover up. Plus paint adds weight!

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« Reply #159 on: March 06, 2012, 10:26:53 PM »
If the High Riser is going in the galaxie, then red accent paint would look very cool with your red interior.  I like shine, but paint is cooler---literally.  Joe-JDC.

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« Reply #160 on: March 06, 2012, 11:21:01 PM »
Actually I plan to put the high riser in my 69 Mach 1, the green one in my signature picture.  Blue would probably be better, but I do like the red...
Jay Brown
- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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Re: 545" High Riser Build
« Reply #161 on: March 07, 2012, 08:57:18 PM »
Jay, I would leave it all raw aluminum, no paint. The aluminum looks too cool to cover up. Plus paint adds weight!

Color or not - make sure someone gives me the heads-up when it's dyno time!!  that engine looks awesome!  we must run the 8-O2 sensor rig and give this manifold a fair shake   :)

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Re: 545" High Riser Build
« Reply #162 on: March 07, 2012, 09:17:19 PM »
Don't worry, Scott, you are in the plan.  In fact I just got my Megasquirt and wiring harness this week...
Jay Brown
- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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Re: 545" High Riser Build
« Reply #163 on: March 07, 2012, 09:28:29 PM »
Jay, the Jag engine for my land speed car is distributor-less and makes use of a coil-on-plug layout. The problem is that the individual coils are about the same size as your thumb and are prone to failure. I'd therefore decided to make use of the same sort of arrangement you are using. What is the source of the coils you are showing in the pictures above? Thanx!!!

KS

Hi KS,

The IGN1-A coils Jay uses have onboard transistors (also called ignitors), where your OEM-style coils might not.  There are versions of this same coil without the transistors, make sure to ID which type you need before purchasing,

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Re: 545" High Riser Build
« Reply #164 on: March 09, 2012, 08:43:49 PM »
Got some new parts! 



These are CP pistons I got through Blair Patrick Racing.  They aren't coated yet, because I'm going to mock them up in the engine and check piston to valve clearance before I go ahead with the coating.  They are nearly a flat top, with only about a .035" high dome outboard of the valve pockets.  They weigh 557 grams each, and the pins weigh another 152 grams.  8000 RPM!

I also got the rings for the pistons.  What I had been hoping for on the rings was to go to a .043/.043/3mm ring package.  However, as it turned out those thin rings were not available in my rather peculiar 4.39" bore size.  So Blair set me up with a different ring package, using dykes rings.  I've never used dykes rings before, so it will be interesting to see how the engine works out with them.  For those who are not familiar with dykes rings, they use a narrowed down inner ring profile to reduce the ring tension, while still leaving a fairly wide ring area on the cylinder wall.  Here's a photo of one of the rings, showing this unique cross section:



A few weeks ago, Woody Owens contacted me about an FE crank spacer with a built in gilmer drive pulley for the FE, available from Aviad.  I had never seen one before.  It didn't dawn on me when I was emailing Woody that I could maybe use something like that to run the Peterson external oil pump I need to fit on the engine.  After looking at the picture that Woody sent, I decided to call Aviaid and order one.  Here's a photo:



This spacer puts the oil pump drive out of the way, back behind the harmonic balancer.  It has 26 teeth.  I like it because it will make the mounting of the oil pump on the engine much more compact.

I'm planning to finish up the water pump spacer machining this weekend and get to work on mocking up the short block to check for p-v clearance.  Should be fun...
Jay Brown
- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC