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jayb

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Re: 545" High Riser Build
« Reply #75 on: December 23, 2011, 04:01:10 PM »
I had not seen that; thanks for the heads up.  The tubing shown in the ebay ad is not large enough for what I'm doing, but maybe they have other sizes available...
Jay Brown
- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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Re: 545" High Riser Build
« Reply #76 on: December 23, 2011, 11:38:32 PM »
not to be asking a stupid question (what me?  no never)
But how is the coolant moving in/out of the heads?

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Re: 545" High Riser Build
« Reply #77 on: December 24, 2011, 12:01:07 AM »
I will be drilling and tapping the port plates on each side for a 1/2" pipe thread, facing forward.  This hole will intersect with a hole machined in the port plate that lines up with the water jacket opening in the head.  Then I'll just screw in a #10 X 1/2" pipe AN fitting to the front of each port plate, and run two AN lines to a remote thermostat housing.  This is kind of like the setup I use with the SOHC engines, and has always worked pretty well for me.
Jay Brown
- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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Re: 545" High Riser Build
« Reply #78 on: December 24, 2011, 08:33:42 AM »
Sometimes things get a little spooky....

I was visiting John Marcella the other day.


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Re: 545" High Riser Build
« Reply #79 on: December 24, 2011, 08:36:15 AM »
So, it looks like John is doing the same thing as Jay. Is that a cast piece Barry? I zoomed the pic but it's still hard to tell if it's bar stock or a chunk of casting.
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Re: 545" High Riser Build
« Reply #80 on: December 24, 2011, 08:40:07 AM »
It is a casting.
I provided it to John.
I can say no more.....

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Re: 545" High Riser Build
« Reply #81 on: December 24, 2011, 10:09:42 AM »
 Very nice work Jay. I'm chomping at the bit to get home in April and start my milling education on my modest machine. Just out of curiosity, with all the time you spend in the shop does the Mrs. ever come and grab you by the ear demanding some attention? I know mine does.  :) Mike

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Re: 545" High Riser Build
« Reply #82 on: December 24, 2011, 11:46:12 AM »
Sometimes things get a little spooky....

I was visiting John Marcella the other day.



Hey!  He can't copy me like that!   ;)

I remember talking to Art at Blue Thunder several years ago about this.  Art was going to build some plates to turn the FE into an "honest" (his words) engine, by extending the head to include the valve cover rail, pushrod holes, etc.  Since that piece is cast, I'll wager that Blue Thunder is behind it...
Jay Brown
- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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Re: 545" High Riser Build
« Reply #83 on: December 24, 2011, 11:51:04 AM »
Very nice work Jay. I'm chomping at the bit to get home in April and start my milling education on my modest machine. Just out of curiosity, with all the time you spend in the shop does the Mrs. ever come and grab you by the ear demanding some attention? I know mine does.  :) Mike

She mostly comes out to the shop to drink my beer in the summertime, when she's working in her expansive garden and starts to get thirsty :D

My wife and I were in our 30s when we got married.  We were both already "set in our ways", so to speak, and had agreed that we would let each other pursue our own interests without interfering.  However, relationships being what they are, I make a point to spend at least a couple of hours per day with her, despite all the activity in the shop.  For the most part she is happy with that.  I've been told on more than one occasion that I'm one lucky SOB, and I firmly believe that to be true.
Jay Brown
- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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Re: 545" High Riser Build
« Reply #84 on: December 24, 2011, 12:20:58 PM »
Thanks Barry as I suspected it looked like a casting....and the obvious question that preceded the question; why would anyone invest the $ in a casting unless it was destined for volume production? Jay may have hit the mark but I'll ask no more!

Funny too that whether it is BT, Pond, Shelby, etc. no one hit on the old PSE adaptor idea some 10+ years ago now when the FE's 'stock' started to rise again. As Jay's book shows, the high end FE heads and/or CID's are limited by the wide ranging, still available, yet old school, small runner/low runner/non-optimized runner/small plenum intakes of yore with only a few modern FE intakes up for the challenge.

Now, being able to bolt-on a variety of newer intakes or allowing a much easier path to hand-make sheetmetal intakes......looks like 2012 will be a very FE'ing kind of  year!

Oh, and Jay, on spending time with the wife.....you are one lucky SOB for sure...LOL!   
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Re: 545" High Riser Build
« Reply #85 on: December 24, 2011, 01:18:54 PM »
Jay, it's obvious that you put the same sort of effort into relationships as you do in other things.

I just re-read the above and I see it needs re-wording---

Your wisdom regarding your relationships is also reflected in the efforts you put into other pursuits. It's a privilege to know you.

KS

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Re: 545" High Riser Build
« Reply #86 on: December 24, 2011, 08:31:09 PM »
Yes one lucky SOB pretty much sums it up.  I was not so lucky, but hey now I dont have to worry about the other half needing all of my time.  So why aint I getting as much work done as Jay?  I am just not on my FE's, building a new house myself is time consuming. Hopefully in a year I can get back to work on a few of my cars and go racing.
'65 Mercury Comet w/ Pond Alum. 427, C6
'61 Ford Starliner w/ 352, C6
'68 Falcon w/ ProCharged FE, Lenco 5sp
'67 Country Sedan SW
'62 Falcon awaiting turbocoupe motor & tranny
'40 Ford Tudor Sedan all original

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Re: 545" High Riser Build
« Reply #87 on: December 25, 2011, 08:25:15 PM »
Got done with the latest step in the High Riser project this evening.  I'm working on the upper portion of the manifold now, and the first step is to build the plates that bolt onto the port plates that bolt onto the heads.  I started with 1.25" X 4" 6061 aluminum, and again purchased enough of it so that I could test machine a small section to get the CNC program right.  I wanted to make these plates thick enough so that they wouldn't warp too much during the welding operation, and also wanted to machine them so that I could use Mario's idea of an extension of the runner that would be easy to weld to.  After making the drawings I calculated the CNC toolpaths, using my 1" ball porting tool for contouring the inside of the runner and the outside, where it necks down for the welding.  After I cut the piece I bolted it onto one of the port plates, and it looked pretty good:



I had one error in the program that caused the welding flange to be a little thin in the lower left area of the port, but that was easy to find and fix, so I chucked up the real part and set up the machine.  It ran for about 8 hours yesterday making the first part, and another 8 hours today making the second one.  Tonight I bolted the flanges onto the engine:



I think they look pretty good, and they sure will be a lot easier to weld to than a flat plate would be.  Here's a shot looking down the runner.  The first 3.25" of the runners are essentially complete now, except for the final smoothing with a sand roll:



Next up I'm working on the plates that the runner will weld into to form the plenum.  They present some special machining challenges, so it will probably take me a few days to get a test plate completed and confirm the program works before I do the actual plates.  But once they are finished, there is nothing keeping me from forming the runners and starting to do the welding on this intake.  This has been a lot of work on the machine side, but I think it is coming together nicely, and hopefully it will be worth it in the end.
Jay Brown
- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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Re: 545" High Riser Build
« Reply #88 on: December 27, 2011, 10:44:09 PM »
That's some nice stuff you're making there Jay.

Why not make the plenum and the runners out of plastic and glue it together?

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Re: 545" High Riser Build
« Reply #89 on: December 29, 2011, 09:04:57 AM »
Plastic?  I'm thinking it may not hold up well to backfires and so forth.  I thought about using fiberglass or carbon fiber to make the upper part of the manifold, but I don't have any experience with that stuff in an automotive application, so I think it would be risky.  Aluminum is safe and conventional, so I think I'll stick with that for this project.
Jay Brown
- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC