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FE Technical Forum / Re: Need help with Holley carburetor tune.
« on: July 18, 2020, 04:37:27 AM »
I think I found the problem.
The 4-1/4” Sidepipe mufflers have a 2” diameter hole thru the baffles.  So I have 2” primary tubes flowing to a 3-3/8” collector to 2” ID mufflers.  No wonder I can’t get the motor to run right at high rpm. It runs great down low.  I’ll be replacing my Sidepipe mufflers ASAP. 

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Thoughts on compression ratio.
« on: July 14, 2020, 10:40:15 PM »
Need more info about your cam. 

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Non-FE Discussion Forum / Re: Darkening Magnesium wheels
« on: July 11, 2020, 12:07:19 AM »
Yea I read that thread too. It’s exactly what I want but the guy who says he has the “recipe”, Metal-Mike, hasn’t been on that site since 2014.

I’ve been searching for Chrome Manganese dip and Dow-9. I think they would both do what I want. I just haven’t found anybody that does it.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Need help with Holley carburetor tune.
« on: July 09, 2020, 05:49:06 PM »
I heard back from the carb builder today. His initial answer, without seeing the carb, is that the carb was calibrated for non-ethanol fuel of 17 years ago.  He thinks modern non-ethanol fuel is different enough to cause the problems I experienced.  Personally I don’t believe his theory but I’m sending it back to him for rebuild/recalibration anyway. After I get it back and get it fine tuned to my engine I will do a chassis dyno comparison between the two carburetors. Should be very interesting to see the drivability differences and actual power difference. I’ll update this thread after I get results. 

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Need help with Holley carburetor tune.
« on: July 08, 2020, 09:32:51 PM »
I pulled a 26 year old down leg 850-DP out of my collection of dusty/dirty parts I keep around “just in case”. I cleaned it up, blew out all the orifices, installed new gaskets, PV’s, acc pumps, etc and put it on my engine.  The engine runs perfectly now, no more lean spot.   
So obviously there must be something wrong inside the fancy annular booster custom 850-HP.  I’ll be sending it back to the carb builder. Hopefully he can find and fix the problem.

If nothing else, I now have a very good understanding of how all the circuits in a carburetor work. 

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Non-FE Discussion Forum / Darkening Magnesium wheels
« on: July 06, 2020, 08:33:49 PM »
Does anyone know any tricks to darken magnesium?  (Other than letting them age 20 years)
Ideally DOW-9 would be my best option but I can’t find anyone in the Pacific Northwest that does it.  I’m looking for a dark charcoal or mat Black look.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Need help with Holley carburetor tune.
« on: July 06, 2020, 05:26:17 PM »
Opened up the idle screws 1/2 turn and no difference other than 12 to 1 AFR at idle instead of high 13’s. It still has a super lean spot under light load (1/3 to 1/2 throttle). Everywhere else it’s still too rich.  It acts like the Power Valve circuit isn’t working at all. I’ll put on my other carb and see how that works.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Need help with Holley carburetor tune.
« on: July 04, 2020, 11:47:12 PM »
I’ll try that but I think the problem is after the transition.  After the throttle plates have already uncovered the slots and the idle ports are not a factor. 
But I’ll try anything. 

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Need help with Holley carburetor tune.
« on: July 04, 2020, 07:04:34 PM »
I have an 850DP I’ll put on it for a test.

I’ll clean it up and put new gaskets in it first. It’s been sitting for 20 years.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Need help with Holley carburetor tune.
« on: July 04, 2020, 04:51:07 PM »
Problem still exists.

The original tune was the same tune I started with.
I triple checked every port/slot/orifice and made damn sure everything was sealing and there where no cracks or leaks. I’m 99.99% confident everything is assembled correctly. 

This is the result (same as before)
1. Idle is good at 1000 rpm and 11” vacuum at 13.7 to 1. Four corner idle mixture adjustment  (1 +1/8 full turns out) and all 4 throttle plates are just barely exposing the transfer slots. This is where it has the most vacuum)
2. When I smash the throttle from idle it goes lean 20-1 for a split second. Like the squirters aren’t providing enough fuel to compensate for the blast of air. (Running black and orange cams)
3. WOT is 10.5 to 1.  Still too rich. (Primaries and maybe secondaries too large)
4. Cruising is 12 to 1. Still too rich. (Primaries too large)
5. Roll into the throttle from cruising speed and it goes super lean 17-20 to 1. When this happens it snaps and crackles for 1-2 seconds then goes rich when I hit WOT.
6. I’ve tried 4.0, 5.0, and 6.5 Standard flow power valves. Same result. 

It’s like the power valve isn’t richening it up under load.  PV vacuum port is clear and flows freely.  All PV ports are clear and PVRC is .0600 like the carb manufacturer recommended.

Carb manufacturer recommending sending to them for rebuild but that will be a 2 week turn around.  I would like to avoid that.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Need help with Holley carburetor tune.
« on: July 04, 2020, 02:22:40 AM »
No. The gasket was correct, all the holes lined up and all the transfer slots look good with no obstruction. I disassembled air bleeds and everything and blew it out with carb cleaner.  No problems found. I’ll test drive it tomorrow but I seriously doubt anything will change.  I put all the jets, pump cams, etc back to the original tune from the carb shop.  I also verified all the orifice sizes and they all checked out.


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FE Technical Forum / Re: Need help with Holley carburetor tune.
« on: July 03, 2020, 09:11:10 AM »
I found more info on the carb.
It’s 860 CFM built by Pro Systems. It is built on a Holley HP format with some billet parts.  They sent me all the specs so I can go back to a starting point after I install new gaskets.  Hope to have the gaskets installed and road tested later today. 

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Need help with Holley carburetor tune.
« on: June 29, 2020, 08:28:44 PM »
I don’t know what had been done to the carb before I got it.  I know the motor ran way worse than it does now. It had 80/87 jets in it and 35 nozzles. It ran 10 to 1 AFR at WOT. It also stumbled really bad at initial throttle, that’s why I increased the nozzle size to 40’s. It doesn’t stumble now but that’s probably making up for the fact the transition slots aren’t working.
When trying to get more mid throttle fuel I drilled the PVCR’s .002” over what I thought was standard.  But now I’m unsure if I really know what this carb is without a List number. So I may have drilled them larger than I intended. If necessary I can epoxy and redrill smaller.

I’ll check the base gasket and if that doesn’t fix it I’ll be in the market for a new carburetor.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Need help with Holley carburetor tune.
« on: June 29, 2020, 06:10:17 PM »
Now that makes sense.  I’ll check my base gasket.
I don’t think my transition slots are providing fuel. 

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Need help with Holley carburetor tune.
« on: June 29, 2020, 05:04:22 PM »
Yes. Only 29.

1967 iron Cammer.

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