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« on: July 24, 2016, 07:32:49 PM »
I think it was you that have some thoughts about 4 valve
SOHC heads with stock cams. And i told you about "fork"
rockers i had seen
 Here they are



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« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2016, 08:24:05 PM »
Allison's.
And why are they still there?
Looks a tad tropical.
Where are these? I want them. ;)
I'd work all week to dig them out. :P

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« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2016, 08:27:41 PM »
The pacifics, Peilelu i think it was
Wrong, Papau New guinea is it
https://www.warhistoryonline.com/military-vehicle-news/pacific-plane_wrecks.html/2
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« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2016, 10:22:34 PM »
Looks like a Lockheed P-38 Lightning twin engine fighter.
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« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2016, 11:18:57 PM »
Looks like a Lockheed P-38 Lightning twin engine fighter.

I think you're right, with the back half ripped off! Very cool plane. Notice the gear drive cams.
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« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2016, 07:34:13 AM »
Yep, definitely a P-38.  I am surprised at how far those rockers fork apart at the springs; thanks for the pic Heo!
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« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2016, 10:44:40 AM »
Well i think the valves is mighty big with the  5,5 inch bore ;D
so they had to spread them



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« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2016, 11:15:37 AM »
My father crash landed a p38 in New guinea in 1944. He of course survived. I wonder if this is it?

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« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2016, 01:12:43 PM »
you can't help but wonder about the stories that plane could tell. 
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« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2016, 01:44:58 PM »
My father crash landed a p38 in New guinea in 1944. He of course survived. I wonder if this is it?

Now that's a story.
Not sure if you have seen this site.
There might even be pic of your Dad there?

http://www.worldwarphotos.info/gallery/usa/aircrafts-2-3/p-38-lightning/


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« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2016, 02:31:32 PM »
My father crash landed a p38 in New guinea in 1944. He of course survived. I wonder if this is it?

My father was a control tower operator at the base in Papua. He says he's sorry he guided your dad into the trees instead of the landing strip, but he was having lunch and didn't bother looking out the window. His bad.

He told me some interesting things about that place, if and when he would talk about it at all.

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« Reply #11 on: August 04, 2016, 03:55:21 PM »
Guys I work in aviation and in my younger days worked in PNG for a few years. And scuba dived a fair bit of the region with war wrecks being a favourite. Amongst other military aviators in the family a relative was KIA in a P40M in the nearby Solomons in 1943, so I've been into SW Pacific WW2 history & warbirds nut pretty much my whole adult life.

I regularly went searching for and looked over wrecks in both countries and there are plenty of them, including a few P38's. With the forestry, mining and palm oil business and the road building going on they are discovering wrecks from time to time and there are hundreds still missing...

I love the Alison V12's and have spent many hours reading books and manuals in them and drooling over them at collectors and museums. Guys I knew who maintained them in modern day warbird collections seemed to prefer them to RR merlins too. Being less cluttered, holding tune longer and basically being a nicer design from an engineering standpoint. My late P40 relative's wingman told me the guys trusted the Allison's to get them home on their long overwater / jungle patrols. Easy to fly and didn't break, were the words he used from memory.  I'd do allot to have one in my barn!

The best P38 I saw in PNG was sitting on gas drums at Kiunga Aviation at Nadzab (the "new" Lae airport), owned by local pilot Richard Leahy. All complete, definitely rebuildable airframe with not too much corrosion, couple of bullet holes in the nose and you could still read the writing etc. He collected a bunch of P39's and a few P38's & P40's in the 1970's, when few people seemed to care, and many got sold overseas. You do find the odd engine around too. There were a few Alison's V1710's in a dump in the central Solomon's when I was last there, mostly F3R variants from P40's from memory although I think there was a P39 motor too. The easily accessible wrecks were pretty much all either taken by scrap dealers post war, or by collectors up until the mid 1970's. A couple went to museums. What's left is either too far gone or undiscovered. Plenty of it lying around though if you want to visit. The Solomons is like a rubbish dump of war in some places. Rusting bits and pieces just lying in the grass etc and plenty of wreckage decaying in lagoons.  The only sad thing for me is that many are just rotting in open air "museums" and soon will be completely gone. There have been grand plans for western style storage facilities but like many things in these places, it all comes to naught. The best result seems to be when an interested country's national museum does a 1 for 1 deal, taking 2 out to restore and giving one back to the PNG government to display etc. They just can't manage it in their own...

But if you are thinking of doing an Indiana Jones and going to grab one you'll probably be disappointed. If you're  are lucky (and rich) enough to find something, beware - local laws prevent removal without government approval and the resident tribal big men always want big $$ too. Mostly the ones found are completely rotten, but there are still some missing in the highlands where conditions aren't so humid or salty. However as many of you probably know, they are like rare sports / muscle cars these days, you can build one from scratch for less than they sell for so all most want is a good build plate and engine tag etc...

And there's still some Alison parts being made today! The Reno races and restorers keep the demand going... :-)  Ooops, I have gone on a bit.. Apologies.
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Re: For Jay
« Reply #12 on: August 08, 2016, 04:45:11 PM »
You know, just to be cruel, I remember hearing about a few P51-D's being berried somewhere in the Pacific during WW2. It was done to prevent them from falling into enemy hands, shortly after they arrived at the air base. Maybe one of your guys knows the story.
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« Reply #13 on: August 08, 2016, 04:50:48 PM »
There was this story all over the internet a couple of years about some burried
Spitfires in burma that was just a hoax



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« Reply #14 on: August 08, 2016, 11:38:52 PM »
That must have been what I was remembering. Bummer it's just a hoax.
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