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Title: What to do - intake fitment problem
Post by: Riderjeff on November 01, 2020, 03:47:50 PM
Preparing to trim excess intake gaskets on my fresh 390 build, and I see the manifold does not line up at the gasket rail on the passenger side.  Front and rear are off by about the same amount, measures to appx. 2mm, the driver's side is spot on and the distributor is lined up. 

I'm looking for a solution, not trying to break down what could have gone wrong... It's a used Streetmaster, so perhaps a previous owner milled it poorly, who knows.  Can I shim the gap with gasket material, shaved to fit?  Try to seal it up with RTV?  Open to suggestions please.

I do have a C4 cast iron 4V intake sitting in the garage... all 80 pounds of it...

Title: Re: What to do - intake fitment problem
Post by: jayb on November 01, 2020, 04:01:38 PM
SCE makes an extra thick cork valve cover gasket, if I recall correctly.  I'd get one of those and put a gob of sealer at the joint, and I think you'll be fine.
Title: Re: What to do - intake fitment problem
Post by: Riderjeff on November 01, 2020, 05:50:01 PM
Thanks Jay, is that this product? https://www.summitracing.com/parts/sce-234176 (https://www.summitracing.com/parts/sce-234176)

Title: Re: What to do - intake fitment problem
Post by: My427stang on November 01, 2020, 06:38:11 PM
Do you have any blue kit felpro intake gaskets? (non printoseal) they are pretty thick and may stand it up a bit
Title: Re: What to do - intake fitment problem
Post by: jayb on November 01, 2020, 07:17:04 PM
Thanks Jay, is that this product? https://www.summitracing.com/parts/sce-234176 (https://www.summitracing.com/parts/sce-234176)

Those would probably work, but I was thinking of their part number 134076.  They are 5/16" thick, cork only.
Title: Re: What to do - intake fitment problem
Post by: 427John on November 01, 2020, 10:17:47 PM
Preparing to trim excess intake gaskets on my fresh 390 build, and I see the manifold does not line up at the gasket rail on the passenger side.  Front and rear are off by about the same amount, measures to appx. 2mm, the driver's side is spot on and the distributor is lined up. 

I'm looking for a solution, not trying to break down what could have gone wrong... It's a used Streetmaster, so perhaps a previous owner milled it poorly, who knows.  Can I shim the gap with gasket material, shaved to fit?  Try to seal it up with RTV?  Open to suggestions please.

I do have a C4 cast iron 4V intake sitting in the garage... all 80 pounds of it...
If all the other gaps look good and the china wall gaps look even,I would guess that edelbrock just milled that side a little too low during manufacture.Making FE intakes is a challenge with extra machining steps that others don't have,I give them a pass and am surprised they are able to stay as close pricewise to other types as they do.   
Title: Re: What to do - intake fitment problem
Post by: allrightmike on November 02, 2020, 07:49:59 AM
     I used a Streetmaster intake on a recent build and the distributor hole was approx. .030 out of position to one side, re positioned and sleeved. Shows that these errors did occur.
Title: Re: What to do - intake fitment problem
Post by: Riderjeff on November 03, 2020, 02:45:34 PM

Those would probably work, but I was thinking of their part number 134076.  They are 5/16" thick, cork only.

Thanks for the tip, I'll give these a try.
Title: Re: What to do - intake fitment problem
Post by: My427stang on November 03, 2020, 03:04:27 PM
How do the ports line up?  If it's hanging real low, might be wise to get the manifold up where it should be with a thick intake gasket, even if one side is different than the other

SM/SD ports are pretty small, so not as critical for sealing, but always good to keep flow up as high as you can on the port
Title: Re: What to do - intake fitment problem
Post by: Riderjeff on November 04, 2020, 10:06:25 AM
I'm having difficulty locating thick VC Gaskets anywhere.  SCE lists both 5/16" and 1/4" but they're not available anywhere.

Any thoughts, vendors, links?
Title: Re: What to do - intake fitment problem
Post by: turbohunter on November 05, 2020, 06:11:41 PM
Summit is one of their big distributors.
EPWI
Jegs
Motor state
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Title: Re: What to do - intake fitment problem
Post by: Tommy A on November 05, 2020, 09:30:29 PM
Here's another person that sells alot of Ford gaskets.. I have seen the thick valve cover gaskets and yes I would use these in a heartbeat... Soupys Gaskets  1-262-951-8488   Hope this helps..........Tom
Title: Re: What to do - intake fitment problem
Post by: aj on November 07, 2020, 10:37:46 PM
I had similar situation and made a metal spacer using valve cover gasket as template.  Final product sorts of looks like a partial valve cover gasket made of metal.  My concern with the misalignment was potentially cracking my cast aluminum valve covers.   

As i was hacking my way through the project,  was thinking it might be a cool product for someone to offer (valve cover rail shims).  Not much money in it but I darn sure woulda bought some if they were a thing.
Title: Re: What to do - intake fitment problem
Post by: Keith Stevens on November 10, 2020, 01:01:31 AM
Edelbrock makes an extra thick cork-rubber composition valve cover gasket. I bought mine at Summit. I'm at KMCO for another couple days. I can provide the number when I return home if you can't locate it.
Title: Re: What to do - intake fitment problem
Post by: GerryP on November 10, 2020, 08:13:59 AM
Maybe it's just the angle of the photo and the detail, but I'm not seeing something you can correct with a gasket.  The high side of the gasket would have to be paper thin.  The low side has to have a compressed thickness of over 1/4 inch.  I suppose if you were a Goober, you would do a silicone fill and hope for the best.

I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think you have a useable intake manifold.
Title: Re: What to do - intake fitment problem
Post by: frnkeore on November 10, 2020, 01:25:51 PM
My suggestion is to put that 80 pounder on see how it fits.

It sounds like the Street Master, may have been milled to fit a set of heads that have been milled and or a heavily decked block and I'd double check the dist hole, for alignment. Set the SM manifold on the block w/o intake gaskets, but with the end gaskets and put the dist in. Check the fit on both sides and see how even it is, rotating it, back and forth on the dist.
Title: Re: What to do - intake fitment problem
Post by: Riderjeff on November 11, 2020, 03:47:58 PM
If it's hanging real low, might be wise to get the manifold up where it should be with a thick intake gasket, even if one side is different than the other

Any idea who sells a thicker intake gasket?  Looks like I'm going to have to yank the intake and play with it a bit, depends on the L/R/Distributor alignment.  Currently no end gaskets, RTV only.
Title: Re: What to do - intake fitment problem
Post by: My427stang on November 11, 2020, 05:52:14 PM
Depends what you have now

The Felpro blue gasket is pretty thick, .058 I think?  I haven't measured a 1246S3 or 1247S4 but I bet they are too.

I also bet Cometic would make whatever thickness you decide you need.