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Non-FE Discussion Forum / Re: Calliope Engine Project
« on: March 15, 2024, 08:30:16 AM »
.......The 4th is actually a trunnion table, with one side bolting to an upright 4th axis and the other side on a pivot.

That's how my fourth is set up. The post processor makes my head hurt. I built a universal intake machining fixture for manual machining that has a sled/table with one end mounted in a rotary table and the other in pivot.......but all manual. Serves well for one-offs but wouldn't be the end of the world to manually reposition the 4th between ops on a 3-axis machine.

The CNC machine has 36" from the spindle nose to the table,

......I'm envious....that's a real machine.

.....so with a long drill I can drill at least through two of the throttle bores.  Not sure if I can get three, or all four in one drilling operation, so if I can't, it will be drill two, rotate 180 degrees, and then drill the other two.

FWIW, coming from someone who has made many inline throttle bodies, other than set up reduction and convenience, I'd tell you not to go out of your way to drill them in one op. Trying to gun drill shaft holes of such a small diameter and length without very specialized machines, tooling, and fixturing, can be a very unrewarding exercise.

Even if they are machined to perfection through all bores as far as position and alignment, with throttle plates that are suitable fit to the bores, the throttle shafts will still be prone to binding due to thermal growth of the head versus shaft, mounting forces, and just how much things tend to move around on their own over time. I don't know how the original was set up, but I think I'd just plan to install a zero backlash coupling that can tolerate small misalignment and axial displacement between each bore, and call it a day.

All said, I'm certain much bigger machining challenges await with the block and other components. Definitely a man's sized job.

Best,
Kelly

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Non-FE Discussion Forum / Re: Calliope Engine Project
« on: March 14, 2024, 12:50:40 PM »
Kelly, I will be using a 4 axis CNC machine on these heads.  There will be at least two setups required, maybe three depending on the spark plug angle...

Does the 4th come in the form of a rotating pallet? It's probably the least of your machining worries but line boring the throttle shafts (from each end?) may take some reach! I'm sure you've got a plan of attack.

Best,
Kelly

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Non-FE Discussion Forum / Re: Calliope Engine Project
« on: March 12, 2024, 09:56:08 AM »
We were able to get into the foundry last Friday.........This morning was breakout.

Must have been a long weekend in waiting. Been there.

Normally the foundry trims the gating and risers off the raw casting, to leave the "trimmed" casting, but Dan couldn't wait LOL!  He ran off to Menards to get a Sawzall and an electric impact and cut the gating and risers off himself....... other than that, they are beautiful!

No more waiting.....I can relate!

The trimmed castings weigh 67 pounds!  I guess heads get a little heavy when the intake manifold is included in the head.


Not too bad considering the physical size of the head. I bet there were quite a few additional pounds in the feed/gating/risering system as well.

Next steps on these castings are to have the foundry deburr and heat treat them to T6; then it's time for machining them.  It will be a while on this because we will need to design and build fixtures, then write the CNC programs and start the machining operations.  We have a strategy on this already, but still need to settle on valve seats, valve guides, etc.

Fixturing for three or multi-axis machining?

Dan has found the guy with all the blueprints for this engine and has purchased them, so hopefully soon we will have blueprints to guide our CNC programming.  We are still a long ways away from having a running engine, but with the heads in process we have a pretty good start.  I will update this thread with new information as it becomes available - Jay

Having the source drawings is huge compared to what it would take to reverse engineer all the features and uncertainties that come along with it. Hopefully they were the final revision. -What a find.

Congrats on results and looking forward to future updates.

Best,
Kelly

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Non-FE Discussion Forum / Re: 351 C valve seat and diameter question
« on: February 20, 2024, 10:29:17 AM »
....When people start that "4V port just too big, terrible blah, blah" I just tell them "it's all in the parts combination and the tune up."

Truth.....light and even no work on 4V heads can still get good performance compared to other OE stuff, but something motivated you to stuff the ports.  :)

.....A long term wish is the T-Ram with dual Holley EFI units on the 427 9.2 deck Dart build running both a gas and methanol program.

I have a 427CI (4.125b x 4s) 9.5 deck Siamese Dart block I pulled from my Pantera. Complete very low mile engine wearing Brodix BF301 (think C302B) heads. Drop me a PM if interested in more details.

Best,
Kelly

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Non-FE Discussion Forum / Re: 351 C valve seat and diameter question
« on: February 20, 2024, 10:24:07 AM »
....When people start that "4V port just too big, terrible blah, blah" I just tell them "it's all in the parts combination and the tune up."

Truth.....light and even no work on 4V heads can still get good performance compared to other OE stuff, but something motivated you to stuff the ports.  :)

.....A long term wish is the T-Ram with dual Holley EFI units on the 427 9.2 deck Dart build running both a gas and methanol program.

I have a 427CI (4.125b x 4s) 9.5 deck Siamese Dart block I pulled from my Pantera. Also wearing Brodix BF301 think C302B) heads. Drop me a PM if interested in more details.

Best,
Kelly


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Non-FE Discussion Forum / Re: 351 C valve seat and diameter question
« on: February 18, 2024, 09:51:28 AM »
....My stuffers actually came from Parker in Australia.

Chris, did you install them pretty much as is? It's been a long time, but I thought the Terry Parker stuffers also crept up the side of the port so as to bias the port toward the unshrowded side of the valve. Maybe that was just his "2V Funnel Web" stuffers? Ever try a filled floor intake or just smaller cross section intake on your C without stuffing the head port?

I ask because over the years, I've seen a number of B302 and 351C builds that have used intakes with much smaller (than 4V) ports that were not port matched and they made better power everywhere. They weren't really racing engines but fairly potent pump gas street car builds. One was a 347CI B302 headed engine with an Eddy air gap "e-Boss" dual plane on essentially stock B302 heads. Since the Eddy-made 335 series style head port windows are quite a bit smaller than the original B302, so is the Eddy intake. The ports were left unmatched on that stroker and it made ~530hp at ~7krpm and drove quite well.

I've been making custom cast intakes for a while now, and I've been making just about all of the 335 series lids with the runner floor raised 1/2" and telling the customers not to bother with the head port or trying to port match. This reduces the 4V cross section about 20%. The combination of the velocity increase and likely the port step being disruptive to low/mid reversion from healthier cams seems to get both good performance and better street manners. Some customers just ca'nt get past the idea everything needs to be perfectly gasket port matched and insist on the full 4V port......which they can have but wont run nearly as well.

It's also a popular misconception that 2V 335 series heads/intakes are just smaller cross section ports centered in the 4V pattern, but they are not, and are actually biased to the side and top of the 4V port. A quick look at a couple overlayed gaskets tells the tale. For quite a while, it was common knowledge in the Pantera crowd that the stock 351C would runner better at every rpm and especially down low just by bolting on a Weiand 2V "Excelerator" intake.

Best,
Kelly

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Member Projects / Re: Inline Autolite Intake for an FE
« on: December 14, 2023, 11:14:28 AM »
Kelly not sure if you said but was there a build this intake was made for? it would suite a hotrod/ratrod so well.

No specific build for this one. I made it as low profile as I thought I could without dorking up the performance but with the deck height of an FE, and the positioning required to align a 351c intake properly on your adapter, it is pretty tall.......likely too tall for OE hood height of most street cars, so would require a scoop. Of course as you mention, moot point for an open engine compartment car.

Though my SPF GT40 MkII should have one, I don't own an FE car at the moment. It will be for sale in the near future. I'm onto with my next project.

Best,
Kelly

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FE Technical Forum / Cammer Expert/Enthusiast?
« on: December 13, 2023, 11:47:54 AM »
One of the engine platforms on my to-do list for an Inline Autolite Carb intake is the cammer. It can be like the one discussed here,

https://fepower.net/simplemachinesforum/index.php?topic=11999.0

.....or possibly IR. You would need to be able to fairly precisely provide/confirm some diemsional data on the mounting hole and port locations. Calipers on a cylinder head would be close enough. I'd also prefer someone that would actually want and run a completed system, as opposed to just collecting it, but that's open for discussion. Cammer parts are precious.

Inline carbs are 875cfm (D0ZX9510A) and 1425cfm(D0ZX 9510B), so can support a large range of displacement and power. I build a conversion for a tweener size too, but in the round, you could expect them to support power level with comparable sized Holley carbs.

If that's something that interests you, just PM me.

Best,
Kelly

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Member Projects / Re: Inline Autolite Intake for an FE
« on: December 12, 2023, 10:07:39 PM »
I have to admit, that is one of the coolest looking FE induction systems ever IMO!

Thanks Mark Much appreciated.

To be clear, is the base adapter proprietary? Or is that some variant of the Cleveland adapter?

The FE to 351c adapter is Jays (this forum owners) product. They can be purchased through FEPower.net. Other than the Inline carb, the rest of the hardware is by my hand.

Best,
Kelly

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Member Projects / Re: Inline Autolite Intake for an FE
« on: December 12, 2023, 07:47:05 PM »
Got this one finished up.

Here's video and a couple of pics.

https://youtu.be/sHzYRwFfSu4?si=UuikMMuNhHWLfxRX

Take care,
Kelly

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Member Projects / Re: Inline Autolite Intake for an FE
« on: December 11, 2023, 08:10:27 AM »
I watched the great video in post #1. Is there another video that goes into detail about the sand compaction? I understand that it is vibrated but it seems as though the pour displacing the foam around the intake runners would disturb the 'column' of sand inside the runner.

That is pretty much everyone's initial thought, including some experienced foundrymen.

The best way I can describe it, is even though it is "unbound" dry sand, it isn't totally unbound. When it is vibrated, it compacts about 15% by volume. That causes all the sand granuals to nestle together and interlock due to the irregulaities in their shape. So mechanical interference and friction is the binding mechanism. If I mount an object on the end of a stick, and burry it in a bucket of sand, I can just grab the stick and pull it out. But if I vibrate the bucket after doing so, I can pick the entire 80lb bucket up by grabbing and lifting with only the stick.

You can think of the areas where sand enters and exits the runners as core prints. The runner sand in between is the core. As the metal advances, there is a thin layer of liquid then gas between the polystyrene pattern and molten metal front. The gas escapes into the mold as the metal advances evaporating and consuming the pattern, and the hydrostatic metal pressure exerted on the mold walls keeps the sand in place.

I make these videos to describe the resulting induction systems but also the casting process. I'm just about done with the induction system and that video and I posted here mainly for that but if you are interested in the casting process, attached is a picture of automotive water neck that got me started with lost foam casting 7 years ago, and below is a link to a thread about them. The post that link takes you directly to has many links to processsteps and the equipment I've built and use to perform them. You'll have to join the forum to see full sized pictures. Have a happy read.

http://forums.thehomefoundry.org/index.php?threads/automotive-water-neck.90/page-2#post-45738

.....and here's a 20 second video showing how the sand is fluidized, moves, and packs under vibration.

https://youtu.be/cghkvqN99r0

Best,
Kelly

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Member Projects / Re: Inline Autolite Intake for an FE
« on: December 10, 2023, 11:04:56 AM »
Merc, the short answer is I’m not in a position to take it on at this time. The longer answer for other’s curiosity……

…..I did do the CAD work, and I can easily manipulate the model. The model in the picture is actually a CNC machining out of nylon, about 5 pieces and glued together.  That route was just as cost effective as a 3D print.

Those are all the steps I would use to produce the polystyrene pattern. You represent a unique subset of people that make casting inquiries of me being you not only have a solid model, it has been used and presumedly produced a gcode file to cut the pieces. Most people that approach me do so with a loose description or a “looks like” picture. The reverse engineering of all the dimensional and feature data for a new engine family is a big effort that is rarely done accurately enough by the uninitiated. I’ve learned some hard lessons relying on data provided by others. You on the other hand have design validation.

……I will get the dimensions and volume when I get home later.  I found a company that can 3D print sand molds for a "reasonable" amount.  I just haven't had the time to talk to a local foundry to see if they would be willing to pour with a 3D printed mold.


The reason I asked for that dimension is I suspect it’s too large for my present casting flask (<16” diameter), so even if I was inclined to cast it, I’d have to make a larger molding rig, which although not out of the question, I wouldn’t be inclined to do so at this time. I also think it becomes just a little too large for me to machine because of available height under quill with the fixture on my mill. I asked for volume to estimate casting weight. Blower intakes get a bit chunky. Right now I can pour <60lbs include sprue/gating…….I suspect this part is still well within reach of that.

……I went into this wanting to make one for my self as the old Weiand intake that I also have are race only pieces and not street friendly.  As pbf777 indicated, there is probably a total available market for about 5 or 6 of them.

You mentioned sand prints. I suspect you already know all I’m about to say, but for those considering things like this, there should be no reason to source the casting separately. Not sure who Jay uses but Hoosier pattern for instance will deliver you a heat-treated casting from your solid model. Last I checked, they had one-time charges for CAD related mold mods of $750-$1000, and foundry charges of $750. Then you pay for the (each) mold by the cubic inch, which for parts like this could be in $1500-$2500 range.
With the quality of your model, you may do better on the CAD charge and if you were to procure multiples, the economics improve considerably, but at the end of the day, you’ll get a raw casting, and I mean raw.

Attached is a photo of an example an acquaintance did with them within the last year. He did a ton of finish work on the exterior of the casting. Though it isn’t terrible, neither I nor any of my typical customers would ever except it as delivered, and spending days with burrs and cartridge roles isn’t on my bucket list.

My casting process yields far better fit and finish, comparable or better to quality aftermarket castings. Other than light media blast, the casting pictured in my original post is as it came out of the mold. Although I do charge, I do this as a hobby, but mostly because I enjoy engineering the turn key induction system because it’s fun, interesting, and keeps me current by exercising many disciplines, and I meet some great people. Repetition becomes work and I can assure you, I didn’t retire to become a short run foundry. Even if you were to get one from me, you’d never get five.

Best,
Kelly

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Member Projects / Re: Inline Autolite Intake for an FE
« on: December 07, 2023, 06:56:39 PM »
.....If you ever run short of projects, I have a MEL 6-71 Blower intake manifold I need to get cast.  Another one of those unloved Ford engines...

It sure is a nice looking model you have there. Is that a 3D print? Right when I was about to say I'd never make another, Scott chimed in. I am pretty stacked up right now, but as my mind wanders.........

Did you do the CAD work and can you easily manipulate the model?
Do you have the volume of the casting from the CAD model?
And what is the approximate dimension in the picture below?

As an aside, there is always sand printing. Although it is a very practical way of putting metal where you want it, the castings can tend to be a bit crude cosmetically

Best,
Kelly

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Member Projects / Re: Inline Autolite Intake for an FE
« on: December 06, 2023, 03:34:20 PM »
..........I do have one of Jays adapter's on my 427 and I am wondering if you have any carbs...Thanks....Cory

If you mean Autolite Inline Carbs, yes I do. You can contact me at kcoffield@inlinecarb.com if that's something that interests you.

Best,
Kelly

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Member Projects / Re: Inline Autolite Intake for an FE
« on: December 06, 2023, 11:37:25 AM »
That would be the problem for Australian market 2v 4v closed chamber and chi 3v's are all very popular here

It's not a problem for 2v ports, it just requires some more modeling and programming. The CHI 3v are a different matter. If it was just a diffrent size port it's a similar task to the 2v version, but the face of the CHI 3v head is not in the same position as OE and every other 335 series manufacturer's heads. Consequently, that's why OE intakes wont fit CHI 3v heads because the gasket surface and bolt holes are all in different locations. Not sure but I presume that is still the case because the reason for this was to accomodate a higher than OE intake port (roof) position.

It was years ago, and before (the first?) ownership change I believe, but I had a customer that wanted an intake for his CHI 3v heads. I quickly figured out that something was off with the dimensions and when I contacted them to make sure I understood the source of the differences, they were not only unhelpful, they were the biggest jerks on Earth to me. I told the customer sorry/no, and to this day, even though I could make such an intake if I wanted to, I won't.

Best,
Kelly

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