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FE Technical Forum / FE Timing covers -
« on: August 28, 2022, 12:29:31 AM »
The timing cover that came off the 427MR I'm working on is cast iron.  When I mentioned to my engine builder of this project he pulled an old one off his self and said. "Here clean this one up, it's a C8AE part number. If the one you have is cast iron, maybe it's from an industrial engine"

The cast iron piece has a part number of: C7TE 6058 B


https://flic.kr/p/2nH1Ybp

The aluminum piece cleaned up nicely. First pass with the bead blaster:

https://flic.kr/p/2nH1T18

(need to look at those instructions for posting pics again)






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FE Technical Forum / Christmas in June - Comp Rockers
« on: June 10, 2022, 06:37:07 PM »
After many months of supply chain issues these babies were shipped on Tuesday and showed up today.

Nice looking piece to add to the Survival Motorsports MR heads I've had for quite a few years now. Maybe by the end of the year  we'll start bolting the engine together. I still need to figure out the cam I'm going to run.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/195460141@N05/52137655110/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/195460141@N05/52137183858/


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Non-FE Discussion Forum / Happy "427" day.
« on: April 27, 2022, 02:05:56 PM »


Happy 4-27 day     8)

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(IF the Mods want to move this to "non-FE discussion" I understand )

Back in early February I got to spend the afternoon at Westech with a couple friends and their 356" Y-Block.  Engine has Mummert Alumi heads and a Mummert Y-block tunnel ram and rockers system.  (Maybe I can get some  FE rockers out of them ... ? ? )

Geoff Mummert has my 427MR stroker parts at his shop,  and before the year is over we hope to get things bolted together and have some dyno time with a couple of manifolds.  He's ported the Survival MR heads I got from Barry some years back.  We'll be working on the cam selection here before too long.

This 356" Y-block made 1.42 lbs ft per cubic and 1.7 hp per cube.   Intakes flow 275 cfm with a 1.97" valve, so 2.18 hp per cfm.
The engine is 14:1  and was running on Q-16.   Pk power 608    Trq  508.

She's a good running little engine.








Spec's Geoff posted on Speed-Talk:
https://www.speed-talk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=64715

- 3.860" bore 3.800 stroke
-14.25:1 compression
-268* @.050 263*@.050 .630" lift
-1.97" 1.51" valves
- CFM 275 int 195 exh
-1.7 roller rockers

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Hello...

Looking at my "To Do List" for 2022:

In my Top 3 things ...: Make progress on the 427 stroker. 

I visited my heads yesterday -  Survival Motorsports MR, that I've had for a few years now.  We have the valves, some rough porting has been done and need to get them completed.   Ultimately, it will have the Victor (Dominator) single plane on it (I've had for 25 yrs or so), but we plan on running the Shelby Sidewinder on the dyno 1st for comparison. I'm doing this build with my old friend Geoff Mummert - Mummert Machine and Development.  He kind of likes old Ford stuff. 

Depending on final flow numbers we'll probably spec a medium profile solid roller for it.  Power to 6.750 and shift at 7,000.
The engine is a .015 over 427 MR with 3.98 428 crank.  My dad's engine from the mid 1970's.

What are my best options on rocker systems ?



Thanks

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My winter/spring project started out as a "Quick and Dirty" mostly back yard rebuild (re-ring) of my 950 HP 565" A460 headed engine that has been together since 2011.  It has many many running miles on it.
The build that went together 10 years ago this summer is as follows:

4.605 bore x 4.25 stroke = 565 actually 566"
A-460 Block
Crower/Ford Motorsport crank 4.25 stroke (.020 under)
Crower rods w/ BBC journal 6.536"
Modified A-460 angle milled with 2.40" Ti intake 1.88" Ex w/ 66cc chamber, 13:1 Compression
Carb: Old - Holley Barry Grant 1,050 (from 1991) It's been reworked a few times now.
Crower Roller cam (Danny Crower) 278/285 @ .050 with .433 lobe lift ( installed at 4* advanced intake opening at 30*) 109IC
T&D Shaft rockers 1.8 ratio
Manton Push rods 3/8" thick wall.
Arias pistons, gas ported ( Atomic ) 13:1
Akerly & Childs ring pack .043, 1/16th, 3/16th with a Tool Steel top ring
Stephs oil pan w/ kick out
Kaase oil pump
MSD crank trigger
Cometic head gaskets .045.
Single 1,050

948 HP at 7,200

I hurt a couple of piston running  the nitrous back in October. Luckily I had two pistons sitting around for just such an occasion.   In talking with my old friend Geoff Mummert ( 2019 EMC second place 289 Ford ) (he ported the heads on this engine around 2003) we were sorting out the 600" pump gas deal I want to build with him next year.  We came to the conclusion that if we did a quick rebuild on the 565 there would be a few things that  would carry over for the 600" pump gas build.

All was well and good until Geoff said, " Do me a favor.  Don't die with that tunnel ram that you've had for 20 plus years still sitting on your shelf. How about using that thing and let's see if we can make 1,000 hp with it?"
I'm a sucker for a challenge .........

And so it began ......
We've been working on things for the past few months with cam selection, carbs getting rebuilt and all the rest.

We've challenged ourselves to see if we can make 4 digits at 7,200.

We made a pretty big cam change to see what would happen. We ended up ordering a custom Comp roller that's 275/276 @ .050  Lobe lift .455/.421  with a 1.8 rocker and ground on a 113* lobe sep.

Target for peak power was 7,200.

This rebuild started out so simple that I used a ball hone on the block:


I heated some Napa 10-30 oil up to 200* for the job:


We put new cam bearings in it and got some good rings from Akerly and Childs. I screwed up on the end gap and gapped the stainless top .043" ring at .041" as if I was going to run my 350 shot on it. It didn't beet that much. .035 would have done it.

Got the cam degreed in:  Int Open 23*  Close 71*



We made it up to Westech this past Thursday with both the single 4 and the tunnel ram and burned some Sonoco 110.

The single 4 made 939 hp at 7,200:




The tunnel ram made 972 hp at 7,400:




We were running a little Ford Taurus electric vac pump on the engine:


It  pulls -4" static and was able to maintain -1.5" thru 7,400 rpm with the single 4.  When we put the tunnel ram on we let the silicone set up as we ate lunch and then were running the engine without the vac pump turned on and on the 3rd run it blew out the rear China wall seal.  We then turned on the vac to control the oil leak. It was able to pull -.5" vac thru most of the run, but went to  positive .5"  at the end of the runs.

We're going to do some work on the tunnel ram, install a GZ vac pump, advance the cam and head back to the dyno in a couple months. ... Might even take some Q16 with us.  We'll see.

Here's a video of one of the 970hp pulls:

https://vimeo.com/530160429



The Power Plant is for the boat:






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FE Technical Forum / Sidewinder vs PI intake .....
« on: February 28, 2021, 10:04:31 PM »
Hi guys,

New here to the site,  but not so much with  performance Ford stuff.  I've been playing in the  385 realm since about '87 and some Windsor stuff over the years.  After my #1 toy (950 hp, 13:1 A-headed  565 with single 1,050  gets it's refurb this year) Hopefully I'll have time for the 427MR stroker motor that's been sitting around since it dropped a valve in around '84 -'85. The engine was "on loan" from my dad to my brother and me.  ( I'm still not sure who in the heck loans their 17 & 18 year old kids an engine like that and says .. "If you put a rod thru the block you're in trouble. ... Oh,  and make sure you put new brakes on that car ( '69 Mach 1) because if you kill yourselves in that thing your mom will be pissed off at me" That was in '81 when my older brother was a senior in high school)  We assumed it dropped a valve and so it sat for damn near 30 year.  I decided to pull the engine out of the car maybe 7 years ago .... It had a single broken rocker arm.  Well damn.

Anyway,  I've been cleaning parts to put on the self for later and I have an intake manifold dilemma. Maybe 90% of those in here can answer this question for me. because I just don't know.

 
After a little time in the bead blaster.

The 427 stroker ( stn bore at the time)  had the PI intake on it.   Some years back (better than 15) I got the Shelby Sidewinder out of an old boat junk yard. ( Had to buy the POS 390 it was bolted to to get the intake) it cost me $350. The rest of the engine was all JUNK.

When this engine goes back together with Survival MR heads ( I must have purchased those from Barry close to 7 years back. Maybe longer)  and .015 over, with the 428 crank, 10.25:1 and roller cam to make power to 6,800 it will be tested with the Eddy Victor (with Dominator flange).  I've had from the second year they were made  (just for this occasion). Problem is,  that is not very nostalgic. I'm sure it will kill the other two in power though.  I do have The Great FE Intake Comparo  book .

From the book the Sidewider did horrible. When it was designed did they just not understand intake manifold design with air flow velocity ?  Both intakes I have basically have the same intake port opening (both unported) with the SW opening up to much larger runners does the intake just lose airspeed ? 

How much benefit would either the PI or SW get from a welded Dominator flange and a total  reworking of the plenum ? Would it be worth the effort or would it just screw up a very nice early intake manifold ?

Oh ... could someone direct me to a thread about FE tunnel rams and what's available ?

Thanks,

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